NYC – If Trump signs a bill that cuts spending, will he be responsible for that? I know you think he was not responsible for signing the ones that raised spending.
Jason – I am filled with shame. I lost track of the calendar and did not realize I would be out of the country on Primary Day. I did not request an absentee ballot. Your choice is solid.
just like the quislings in Congress who won’t cut out the Green New Deal spending, who won’t cut out Covid Emergency spending, and who won’t cut the waste fraud and abuse found by DOGE”
“CBS News medical contributor and former Biden transition official claims White House doctors didn’t do PSA tests on the president to save money due to his advanced age.”
Observation – The Irish are very helpful to cripples like me. My family was able skip the 45 minute line into the Guinness factory. My ticket at other places was refunded when they saw I was on crutches.
The worst part about not voting in today’s primary is that if a Deadender sure to lose the GE is nominated by the Cult in a contested primary, I waived my right to comment and complain.
A less heroic view of the Ukrainian president, as he enters his second “unelected” year of leadership. The author is a Ukrainian living in the US, who probably knows more how the citizens of a Ukraine really see Zelenskyy’s presidency – a viewpoint far afield from how Jason/Bitter glowingly post about it..
“On May 20, 2025, he began his second year after the end of his elected term. Thus, the man held up as the hero of democracy actually left democracy behind, packed away with his suits and neckties.
Please understand. Zelensky will not end the war, because he will have to face the voters again—and we are waiting for him.
When the war ends, Ukrainians will regain their tongues, and we will return to the beautiful and crazy politics that other free countries enjoy.
We see the lives of our soldiers wasted on madman tactics—and the bribes paid to keep the elite sons out of uniform. We also see that if you criticize Zelensky today, you will be wrapped up and taken away, because it is impossible today to criticize Zelensky without being tagged as a Russian spy”
Zelensky is the legitimately ELECTED President of Ukraine, and postponing elections while the country is under an invasion with 20% of its citizens under occupation and 10 million displaced is perfectly reasonable and CONSTITUTIONAL under Ukrainian law.
Madman tactics?
Translation: anything that keeps Ukraine from surrendering to janzam’s iconic hero Putin.
Forced conscription? Zzzz…
Russian spy? Zzzzz..
Try going to Moscow and protesting against Putin and his war crimes. What do you think will happen to you?
janzam is just a little Putin brainwashed apparatchik…. geezus.
Jason’s take on the article posted is hardly surprising; 70% of Ukrainians could agree with the author and Jason would say they are morons.
We’ll see how it plays out if all the following happens: Zelenskyy is able to land a deal to save his country, he allows future elections, he chooses to run, and the elections are fair.
If all that happens, we’ll know if his people think he’s the George Washington of Ukraine.
70% of Ukrainians could agree with the author and Jason would say they are morons.”
I certainly would. But fortunately 70% of Ukrainians don’t believe in unilateral surrender or it would have happened already.
“We’ll see how it plays out if all the following happens: Zelenskyy is able to land a deal to save his country, he allows future elections, he chooses to run, and the elections are fair.”
Zzzzz… what a load of horse crap.
Zelensky ALREADY saved his country. Zelensky never said he wouldn’t allow future election, more Putin toady lies. Zelensky was overwhelmingly elected in a fair election, no reason why it wouldn’t be fair next time.
And if does not choose to run, he will still be a great Ukrainian patriot, no matter how much the Putin sycophants try to denigrate his image.
“An InsiderAdvantage poll shows President Donald Trump’s job approval rating has surged to 55 percent approve while only 44 percent disapprove and a mere one percent remain undecided. “These results are not a surprise,” InsiderAdvantage pollster Matt Towery writes. “Other pollsters who accurately polled election cycles where President Trump’s name appeared on the ballot have been showing his approval ratings moving into the fifty-percent-plus range.”
Wife and I will be leaving in a few hours to fly past Ireland on way to Scotland.
Be there on a tour there for 8 days. I will send pictures of the Loch Ness Monster. I feel in my bones that I will see him (again).
Cash Cow will NOT be going, as she did not have the appropriate shots. I will wave to Bitter as we fly by. Cash Cow will be posting from WV in my absence–unless I post here from my phone from Scotland.
I assume Vic is somewhere out of the country….
And who knows where GF is as he seems to have been/is everywhere.
Not sure how many other HHR regulars are out of the country right now.
Megyn Kelly had some fun with the fraud, Jake Tapper –
”’I did ask Joe Biden to be transparent about his health records in an interview in 2020,’ Tapper told Kelly this time around.
‘But then he wasn’t,’ Kelly quipped.
‘No, he wasn’t transparent at all,’ Tapper quickly admitted – before pointing to other instances of reporting he framed as more above board.
‘He promised you that he would be transparent about his health records and then he wasn’t,’ Kelly first said, before bringing up how Tapper had a second sitdown with Biden in October 2022.
‘And when you sat with him again… you didn’t ask him about it.
‘You didn’t follow up on the fact that he was falling up the stairs that he was losing his train of thought regularly,’ Kelly recounted. ‘That he was slurring, that he was incomprehensible, that he was getting lost on the White House lawn,’
‘You sat right across from him and you asked none of that,’ Kelly reiterated. ‘[He] promised you he would be fully transparent about his health issues.’
Tapper told Kelly she was, in fact, correct – before bringing up how he did ask the then-president about his age and said Americans were ‘concerned’ about it.
Kelly responded by questioning Tapper’s desire to confront the former president about his infirmity.”
I would have to research him. The definition of a Deadender is somebody who won’t win the GE but who is nominated over somebody who could win the GE in order to SEND A MESSAGE
Not liking the house budget bill. It has no social security tax cuts, bloated, steals federal employee pensions, and the SALT INCREASE keeps ballooning.
It also fails to codify doge changes and gubment reform.
Tina, agree with all of your points except the stealing government pensions part. How does it do that? From what I’ve read, they’ll have to kick in 4.4% now for the pension , which is still a pretty good rate for what they get, it will base their pension on a high 5 instead of a high 3 salary, which seems reasonable to avoid top heavy pensions, and it eliminates the supplemental payment for government employees retiring before age 62, which works for me because I’ve never understood why they get that kicker anyway. It won’t affect any current retirees, only future ones, so no one is having anything taken away. Am I missing something?
(waiting on the other couple we are going with to pick us up. They are often late. I told the other guys wife that if whe was an Indian, her name would be “Running Behind.”)
if facing violence, poverty ad government corruption are legitimate reasons to be allowed to co.e into the U. S. they should be valid reasons s for those of us here to leave the U.S.
The supplement was offered due to the transition from csrs to FERS, FERS offered a much reduced pension. this was done in exchange for federal workers paying fica/sosh security. Federal workers staying on to age 62 will also increase pension costs. (More years of service x1.1 pension rate vs lesser years x 1.0).
The pensions are not being reduced. Try to keep up. That was explained above. Why do you care? You are collecting your overly generous pension now. I don’t think Congress is any more or less useless than Federal workers. Unfortunately, there is no way to privatize Representatives and Senators.
I know Tina was a Federal employee for the same reason that Malone believed Ness was a Treasury Officer in The Untouchables. As Malone said,”Who would claim to be that who was not?”
From what I’ve read, they’ll have to kick in 4.4% now for the pension , which is still a pretty good rate for what they get, it will base their pension on a high 5 instead of a high 3 salary, which seems reasonable to avoid top heavy pensions, and it eliminates the supplemental payment for government employees retiring before age 62, which works for me because I’ve never understood why they get that kicker anyway. It won’t affect any current retirees, only future ones, so no one is having anything taken away. Am I missing something?”
Some of this is not correct. You may have not read the latest update. A federal worker could have retired,before their mra, They get the basic annuity and then at mra, a supplement. However, on 1/1/28, the supplement is taken away if the person (retiree) is not at mra. This is arbitrary and capricious.
Not sure, fl, if that was the intent of the house committee. Just the way it reads. You can see that Chuck Ezell (opm) was asked about thie on Twitter.
An employee in this situation would have 20 years, or more, and may. It hit mra at 57.
Tina, it’s hard to see the logic of giving a fantastic benefit (in addition to a unheard of COLA’d pension ) like the supplemental payment, when the person retired before their minimum retirement age, let alone to those who hit their minimum age. . Particularly when the vast majority of the people in this country don’t even have a pension benefit, let alone a cola’d one like federal workers. They just have a 401k , which federal workers also get. However, most people don’t even have the generous matching deposits into that 401k, like federal workers get. It’s really hard to sympathize with keeping these outrageously good benefits in light of what’s commonly given to private sector workers that ultimately pay for these benefits.
As for the logic of giving the supplement you mentioned, I’ve heard that before. However, to a non government worker, it sounds like they previously reformed an outrageously generous pension system (CSRS) into a fantastic pension program (FERS), and gave the FERS employee a nice kicker (the supplement payment) to soften the blow from the change. If we remove the supplement payment, which no one in the private sector has, the government worker still has a fantastic pension, better than the majority of taxpayers who pay for that pension. I’m still ok with that.
In any event, we’ll just have to wait to see what’s in the final bill.
You can remove it from future workers – down the road. Not to current people that vested. Whether you believe the pension is outrageous or,not, is not material. The fact remains that people,who retired may not get a benefit they were entitled to, if this advances.
Does there need to be reforms down the road to future workers, you betcha,
76 responses to “More Dublin today. No leprechauns or llamas sighted yet.”
NYC – If Trump signs a bill that cuts spending, will he be responsible for that? I know you think he was not responsible for signing the ones that raised spending.
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Police in Dublin do not carry guns on patrol. However, they look like they could beat the crap out of anybody.
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Doors and ceilings in oldest buildings are lower. The Irish were short until the Vikings showed up and brought some height genes.
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Hey Bitter what is your pick for PA Superior Court.
Maria Battista, Ann Wheatcraft, Matt Wolford, Josh Prince.
Despite my advice, my wife is still a R and wants a recommendation.
I know Battista, none of the others.
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Jason – I am filled with shame. I lost track of the calendar and did not realize I would be out of the country on Primary Day. I did not request an absentee ballot. Your choice is solid.
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Wow, Bitter aka Mr. Republican didn’t vote in the R primary? That IS shameful.
Truth be known, I do kind of miss being involved in the R primary, mostly for the camaraderie with the other workers.
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Dare him to veto a bill that reduces/eliminates spending on the Green New Deal and Covid spending – my prediction: He would sign it!”
LOL
NYC, the lying fraud, still pretending Trump is a fiscal conservative?
I will fix it for NYC:
“Give him a deficit bill loaded with pork. My prediction: he will sign it!”
NYC attacks the BBB bill that 98% of Rs in Congress favor.
Meanwhile, Trump attacks those few that oppose it as “grandstanders”.
But NYC is still here pretending that this is not Trump’s budget, he is “only signing it”.
Hypocritical moron.
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just like the quislings in Congress who won’t cut out the Green New Deal spending, who won’t cut out Covid Emergency spending, and who won’t cut the waste fraud and abuse found by DOGE”
Zzzzz…
Is Trump a “quisling” for signing it?
A friend wants to know.
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LOL
“CBS News medical contributor and former Biden transition official claims White House doctors didn’t do PSA tests on the president to save money due to his advanced age.”
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We all know “saving money” was important in the Biden Administration.
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Observation – The Irish are very helpful to cripples like me. My family was able skip the 45 minute line into the Guinness factory. My ticket at other places was refunded when they saw I was on crutches.
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The worst part about not voting in today’s primary is that if a Deadender sure to lose the GE is nominated by the Cult in a contested primary, I waived my right to comment and complain.
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Bitter, imo, you don’t waive your right to complain unless your preferred candidate loses by one.
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Bitter, have you run into any roving bands of Muslims?
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Guest Editorial by a Ukranian. He’s very confident Zelenskyy will lose the next election, knows it, and is therefore not willing to settle….
https://redstate.com/redstate-guest-editorial/2025/05/20/zelensky-starts-second-year-after-expired-term-knowing-peace-brings-his-fall-n2189331
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A less heroic view of the Ukrainian president, as he enters his second “unelected” year of leadership. The author is a Ukrainian living in the US, who probably knows more how the citizens of a Ukraine really see Zelenskyy’s presidency – a viewpoint far afield from how Jason/Bitter glowingly post about it..
https://redstate.com/redstate-guest-editorial/2025/05/20/zelensky-starts-second-year-after-expired-term-knowing-peace-brings-his-fall-n2189331
“On May 20, 2025, he began his second year after the end of his elected term. Thus, the man held up as the hero of democracy actually left democracy behind, packed away with his suits and neckties.
Please understand. Zelensky will not end the war, because he will have to face the voters again—and we are waiting for him.
When the war ends, Ukrainians will regain their tongues, and we will return to the beautiful and crazy politics that other free countries enjoy.
We see the lives of our soldiers wasted on madman tactics—and the bribes paid to keep the elite sons out of uniform. We also see that if you criticize Zelensky today, you will be wrapped up and taken away, because it is impossible today to criticize Zelensky without being tagged as a Russian spy”
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Sorry Chicon…posted the piece before seeing your’s already here.
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No worries, Jan.
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Zzzzz… what a bunch of crap. “Unelected” my ass
Zelensky is the legitimately ELECTED President of Ukraine, and postponing elections while the country is under an invasion with 20% of its citizens under occupation and 10 million displaced is perfectly reasonable and CONSTITUTIONAL under Ukrainian law.
Madman tactics?
Translation: anything that keeps Ukraine from surrendering to janzam’s iconic hero Putin.
Forced conscription? Zzzz…
Russian spy? Zzzzz..
Try going to Moscow and protesting against Putin and his war crimes. What do you think will happen to you?
janzam is just a little Putin brainwashed apparatchik…. geezus.
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Putin has been a dictator for what, 25 years.
Does janzam think his “unelected” term ended yet?
Or does she believe in Russian “elections” where Putin controls 100% of the media and where opponents are killed or sent to Siberia.
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The author is a Ukrainian living in the US, who probably knows more how the citizens of a Ukraine really see Zelenskyy’s presidency
Zzzzzzzzz. He fled and left his people behind. Zelensky stayed. I respect Zelensky.
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and is therefore not willing to settle….”
Zzzz…
Chicon of course does not want Zelensky to “settle”, he wants Zelensky to surrender.
So i will fix it for him
“and is therefore not willing to surrender”
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Chi – 2 cab drivers so far but very polite and don’t seem to be the roving band type.
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The author is a Ukrainian living in the US, who probably knows more how the citizens of a Ukraine really see Zelenskyy’s presidency”
You mean he sees how Ukrainian Russian bots and traitors see Zelensky’s presidency.
But we understand the frustration with great Ukrainian patriot Zelensky.
The Russian haven’t conquered Ukraine yet.
Horrors!
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Fiscal conservative Trump on Capitol Hill urging Congress to pass his 4 trillion dollar deficit spending bill.
Oh wait, according to NYC Moron, he is “only signing it”.
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Jason’s take on the article posted is hardly surprising; 70% of Ukrainians could agree with the author and Jason would say they are morons.
We’ll see how it plays out if all the following happens: Zelenskyy is able to land a deal to save his country, he allows future elections, he chooses to run, and the elections are fair.
If all that happens, we’ll know if his people think he’s the George Washington of Ukraine.
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Is Jason against the BBB?
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Bitter, thanks for the update on the Mooslums (as Cash Cow might say).
I hope you’re enjoying the trip.
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Is Jason against the BBB?
Chicon”
No, I think it is what is achievable.
I just hate hypocrisy.
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70% of Ukrainians could agree with the author and Jason would say they are morons.”
I certainly would. But fortunately 70% of Ukrainians don’t believe in unilateral surrender or it would have happened already.
“We’ll see how it plays out if all the following happens: Zelenskyy is able to land a deal to save his country, he allows future elections, he chooses to run, and the elections are fair.”
Zzzzz… what a load of horse crap.
Zelensky ALREADY saved his country. Zelensky never said he wouldn’t allow future election, more Putin toady lies. Zelensky was overwhelmingly elected in a fair election, no reason why it wouldn’t be fair next time.
And if does not choose to run, he will still be a great Ukrainian patriot, no matter how much the Putin sycophants try to denigrate his image.
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Good polling news for Trump today-
“An InsiderAdvantage poll shows President Donald Trump’s job approval rating has surged to 55 percent approve while only 44 percent disapprove and a mere one percent remain undecided. “These results are not a surprise,” InsiderAdvantage pollster Matt Towery writes. “Other pollsters who accurately polled election cycles where President Trump’s name appeared on the ballot have been showing his approval ratings moving into the fifty-percent-plus range.”
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Wife and I will be leaving in a few hours to fly past Ireland on way to Scotland.
Be there on a tour there for 8 days. I will send pictures of the Loch Ness Monster. I feel in my bones that I will see him (again).
Cash Cow will NOT be going, as she did not have the appropriate shots. I will wave to Bitter as we fly by. Cash Cow will be posting from WV in my absence–unless I post here from my phone from Scotland.
I assume Vic is somewhere out of the country….
And who knows where GF is as he seems to have been/is everywhere.
Not sure how many other HHR regulars are out of the country right now.
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Have a great trip, Walt! You’ve earned some enjoyment with the stuff you’ve gone through lately.
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Megyn Kelly had some fun with the fraud, Jake Tapper –
”’I did ask Joe Biden to be transparent about his health records in an interview in 2020,’ Tapper told Kelly this time around.
‘But then he wasn’t,’ Kelly quipped.
‘No, he wasn’t transparent at all,’ Tapper quickly admitted – before pointing to other instances of reporting he framed as more above board.
‘He promised you that he would be transparent about his health records and then he wasn’t,’ Kelly first said, before bringing up how Tapper had a second sitdown with Biden in October 2022.
‘And when you sat with him again… you didn’t ask him about it.
‘You didn’t follow up on the fact that he was falling up the stairs that he was losing his train of thought regularly,’ Kelly recounted. ‘That he was slurring, that he was incomprehensible, that he was getting lost on the White House lawn,’
‘You sat right across from him and you asked none of that,’ Kelly reiterated. ‘[He] promised you he would be fully transparent about his health issues.’
Tapper told Kelly she was, in fact, correct – before bringing up how he did ask the then-president about his age and said Americans were ‘concerned’ about it.
Kelly responded by questioning Tapper’s desire to confront the former president about his infirmity.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/media/article-14732519/jake-tapper-joe-biden-megyn-kelly.html
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Ken Paxson is the Texas AG. He’s running in the Republican primary for Senator.
Is he a deadender?
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We see the lives of our soldiers killed by Putin’s invading army.
Fixed it.
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Is he a deadender?
I would have to research him. The definition of a Deadender is somebody who won’t win the GE but who is nominated over somebody who could win the GE in order to SEND A MESSAGE
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All conservatives are deadenders.
rinos are not.
-freepasser
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Not liking the house budget bill. It has no social security tax cuts, bloated, steals federal employee pensions, and the SALT INCREASE keeps ballooning.
It also fails to codify doge changes and gubment reform.
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(codify exec orders also)
its failure by the gop-e
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steals federal employee pensions
And Tina the budget hawk howls if her interests as a former Federal Employee are impacted.
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You won’t get away it, Tina. I was the first to used Deadender at HHR and you are not changing the definition.
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Tina, agree with all of your points except the stealing government pensions part. How does it do that? From what I’ve read, they’ll have to kick in 4.4% now for the pension , which is still a pretty good rate for what they get, it will base their pension on a high 5 instead of a high 3 salary, which seems reasonable to avoid top heavy pensions, and it eliminates the supplemental payment for government employees retiring before age 62, which works for me because I’ve never understood why they get that kicker anyway. It won’t affect any current retirees, only future ones, so no one is having anything taken away. Am I missing something?
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Trump is the President – the most ESTABLISHMENT position on the planet. Don’t tell Tina.
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I am pretty sure the investigation of the Mexican tall ship hitting the bridge in NYC is due to global warming. And Trump, of coursei.
I figure 80% glowbull warming and 20% Trump.
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oh, and the cause of the ship hitting the bridge is 10% systemic racism.
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Fl, the pension theft is the supplemental. You need to grandfather those that are at or near retirement.
I am fine with increasing contributions, etc.
I suggest thst all Congress critters pensions be eliminated.
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well our bags are packed
we’re ready to go
just waiting for
Our ride to show…
********
(waiting on the other couple we are going with to pick us up. They are often late. I told the other guys wife that if whe was an Indian, her name would be “Running Behind.”)
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if facing violence, poverty ad government corruption are legitimate reasons to be allowed to co.e into the U. S. they should be valid reasons s for those of us here to leave the U.S.
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The supplement was offered due to the transition from csrs to FERS, FERS offered a much reduced pension. this was done in exchange for federal workers paying fica/sosh security. Federal workers staying on to age 62 will also increase pension costs. (More years of service x1.1 pension rate vs lesser years x 1.0).
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Fortunately, many of these provisions in the bill will be taken out.
The Senate is doing something else.
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Also, 5 years of salary increases to 62 will be the basis for the avg 5 (or 3 currently)
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Average 5 x 1.1 x years of service.
they did no cost benefit analysis.
Let’s steal the pension benefits from the Congress critters.
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JackPosobiec
Tim Kaine: So, you have a different standard for South Africans because of the color of their skin?
Big Marco: They’re being killed because of the color of their skin
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More on trumps record approval rate
https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/new-trump-approval-skyrockets-to-record-levels-after-triumphant-week-mstef/?utm_medium=agg&utm_source=economics
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I suggest thst all Congress critters pensions be eliminated.
Why? They are no more useless than almost all other Federal employees.
Tina trying to max her pension sounds like Ron Paul condemning pork barrel spending in every district but his.
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I will try to look up and wave at Walt’s plane in the middle of the night.
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Freepassers ok with pension reductions from employees, not Congress.
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The pensions are not being reduced. Try to keep up. That was explained above. Why do you care? You are collecting your overly generous pension now. I don’t think Congress is any more or less useless than Federal workers. Unfortunately, there is no way to privatize Representatives and Senators.
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I know Tina was a Federal employee for the same reason that Malone believed Ness was a Treasury Officer in The Untouchables. As Malone said,”Who would claim to be that who was not?”
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I guess Tina did not get the big Deep State pension.
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It’s May 21st where I am. You’re all still living in the past of May 20. GFY
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RIP, Norm! (George Wendt)
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Yes, Bitter. RIP Norm! Cheers was such a great show –
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From what I’ve read, they’ll have to kick in 4.4% now for the pension , which is still a pretty good rate for what they get, it will base their pension on a high 5 instead of a high 3 salary, which seems reasonable to avoid top heavy pensions, and it eliminates the supplemental payment for government employees retiring before age 62, which works for me because I’ve never understood why they get that kicker anyway. It won’t affect any current retirees, only future ones, so no one is having anything taken away. Am I missing something?”
Some of this is not correct. You may have not read the latest update. A federal worker could have retired,before their mra, They get the basic annuity and then at mra, a supplement. However, on 1/1/28, the supplement is taken away if the person (retiree) is not at mra. This is arbitrary and capricious.
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Not sure, fl, if that was the intent of the house committee. Just the way it reads. You can see that Chuck Ezell (opm) was asked about thie on Twitter.
An employee in this situation would have 20 years, or more, and may. It hit mra at 57.
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Hit mra by 1/1/28*
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May not hit***
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its failure by the gop-e”
So Trump is a GOP-e supporter?
Good to know.
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Cheers sucked. So did Friends. So did Seinfeld.
I hate sitcoms featuring dysfunctional people.
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Season finale tonight Oak Island.
Bitter might miss the discovery of the treasure.
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Tina, it’s hard to see the logic of giving a fantastic benefit (in addition to a unheard of COLA’d pension ) like the supplemental payment, when the person retired before their minimum retirement age, let alone to those who hit their minimum age. . Particularly when the vast majority of the people in this country don’t even have a pension benefit, let alone a cola’d one like federal workers. They just have a 401k , which federal workers also get. However, most people don’t even have the generous matching deposits into that 401k, like federal workers get. It’s really hard to sympathize with keeping these outrageously good benefits in light of what’s commonly given to private sector workers that ultimately pay for these benefits.
As for the logic of giving the supplement you mentioned, I’ve heard that before. However, to a non government worker, it sounds like they previously reformed an outrageously generous pension system (CSRS) into a fantastic pension program (FERS), and gave the FERS employee a nice kicker (the supplement payment) to soften the blow from the change. If we remove the supplement payment, which no one in the private sector has, the government worker still has a fantastic pension, better than the majority of taxpayers who pay for that pension. I’m still ok with that.
In any event, we’ll just have to wait to see what’s in the final bill.
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https://pjmedia.com/charlie-martin/2025/05/20/pass-the-big-beautiful-bill-or-be-objectively-pro-democrat-n4939992
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You can remove it from future workers – down the road. Not to current people that vested. Whether you believe the pension is outrageous or,not, is not material. The fact remains that people,who retired may not get a benefit they were entitled to, if this advances.
Does there need to be reforms down the road to future workers, you betcha,
Both can be true
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Have a nice evening, fla.
2 respectful disagreements over the last week.
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New thread
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