Emerson poll:
🔴 Oppose: 50% (+16)
🟢 Support: 34%
🟡 Neutral: 16%
also…
More young people believe UnitedHealthcare CEO assassination was acceptable than not – Emerson poll
🟢 Somewhat/completely acceptable: 41% (+1)
🔴 Somewhat/completely unacceptable: 40%
Emerson | 18-29 year-olds
Finally…
Donald J. Trump favorability poll
🔴 Favorable: 51% (+6)
🔵 Unfavorable: 45%
The Hedgehog Report - Phoenix Edition 
130 responses to “New Poll – Should J6 prisoners be pardoned?”
People interrupting a legislative session to protest? Throw them all in jail for trespassing!!
https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-mayor-boots-public-from-rowdy-city-meeting-residents-object-migrant-invasion
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Why would those people enter the Council room? I mean, what was the purpose?
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The percentage who think it was a good thing to assassinate that father and husband solely because he was the CEO of a company is chilling.
So with that logic, if these same 18-29 year olds schedule a picnic, and the weather forecaster got it wrong and they were rained out, then it would be a good thing to assassinate the weather forecaster.
All of the chancellors and presidents of universities, by the same logic, should be assassinated because not everyone has access to the same education.
Owners of grocery stores should be assassinated because not everyone can afford the best food.
These people are nuts. Obviously our educational system is badly broken, turning out leftwing loons who have no comprehension of basic economics.
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DW, this is the classic ‘group think’ example.
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Zzzzzzzzzz. If it was a public hearing they could attend. If the break the rules while there, apply the law and impose penalties. J6 were not attending a public hearing.
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https://cha.house.gov/2024/12/chairman-loudermilk-releases-second-january-6-2021-report
Loudermilk’s report goes into greater detail and actually says the IG’s report left a lot out in its report. The number agreeing with pardons for the J6ers will increase as more of the behind-the-scenes government malevolence is revealed. In the meantime Liz Chaney has been referred for criminal prosecution for witness tampering.
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my beef with the J6 prisoners is the inconsistency with their sentencing. Back in Scott Walker’s governorship of WI, the far left did millions in damage to public property in protest of the teacher’s union defeat, but they walked away free.
If the J6 protestors committed crimes, I have no problem at all with a fair punishment. Many of these were probably first time offenders. Locking them up with no trial and throwing away the keys is not justice. The punishment should fit the crime.
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I agree with DW. I have agreed with DW on this issue for years. I posted on 1/6/2021 that the people outside were protestors. The people who went inside were trespassers. The people who destroyed property, stole, or attacked law enforcement were criminals. I can’t access the Annals but it is there.
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“The House Oversight Committee released its interim report on the J6 protests and concluded that A) the events were preventable and B) Cheney may have criminally tampered with a witness during the inquiry.”
These findings are irrelevant because Bitter has determined that (A) all that was necessary is that nobody enter the building, so further protection wasn’t needed, and (B) nothing should be done, as this would be “retribution”.
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“The Select Committee failed to preserve significant evidence from its investigation, more than one terabyte of data in total, that includes missing videos of witness interviews;”
No need to investigate, let’s give them a free pass on this one….but don’t pardon the J6 tresspassers; they are evil.
Free passers….
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Zzzzzzzzzz. I have been consistent on this issue for years and Chi knows it.
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“Department of Defense officials delayed the deployment of National Guard the Capitol despite standing orders from President Donald Trump to keep his speech and the Capitol safe.”
I’d think it is important to find out why the delay happened. But the press, Democrats, the Biden Administration, and the Ostriches appear uninterested in finding the answer.
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People on the outside (never going inside) were identified by facial recognition, hunted down, and also arrested – some years later.
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One J6 protester who fought his prosecution (were trying to give him 30 years) succinctly described the tactics of the prosecution:
Evidence was withheld. Due process rights were violated. Charges were excessive. The venue wasn’t fair. And the full truth of government involvement on January 6 is still not known.
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Jan said….Evidence was withheld. Due process rights were violated. Charges were excessive. The venue wasn’t fair.
If you believe this is even possible, you are a conspiracy theory moron.
The Ostriches.
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Did they say why the felt a need to go inside the building? These are your patriots, Jan. Tell us why they went inside.
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Interesting article/update on the Floyd case, which was discussed here recently. Jan stood her ground against (most of?) the rest of us, and this suggests her side of the debate had merit.
Note to Bitter, the link is not Gateway or Alex Jones, but I can’t promise you won’t be triggered anyway…..
https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2024/12/17/imprisoned-cop-allowed-to-examine-george-floyds-heart-n4935193
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Chi – Were you waved into any riots today?
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I get that from the perspective of the left, any trespassing and damage to federal property, is like the ultimate sacrilege to them. They see the federal government as god the father, god the son, and god the holy spirit.
The reaction they have to what the J6 trespassers did, is the same visceral reaction Christians had when they were asked to fund via tax dollars the national endowment for the arts depiction of a cross immersed in a man’s jar of urine.
So to the far left, this was, no pun intended, a capitol capital offense, rather than the misdemeanor it really was, punishable by a fine.
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Objection. Relevance. Does the reason for the entrance impact whether a trespass occurred? Or an assault? Or damage to property?
I believe you stipulated that it was not an insurrection, so the purpose wasn’t to change the outcome of the election.
What does that leave, that they were there for tea? Pretty sure everyone gets that it was a protest. They happen all the time, not sure why you, the media and the Dems overreact so much about it.
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Exactly right DW.
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Not yet, but it is early.
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DW said…”my beef with the J6 prisoners is the inconsistency with their sentencing. Back in Scott Walker’s governorship of WI, the far left did millions in damage to public property in protest of the teacher’s union defeat, but they walked away free.”
Yep, that encapsulates the problem. Leniency ruled for a long time; then, suddenly, the hammer was brought for this protest. Why? Because of who they voted for, and that ain’t kosher. Treat them like every political protestor over the past twenty years who trespassed, hit a cop or damaged property.
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REAKING: Liz Cheney Referred For Criminal Investigation For Witness Tampering Related to J6 ‘Star Witness’ Cassidy Hutchinson
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Jack Poso
@JackPosobiec
BREAKING: A federal judge has ruled for Derek Chauvin and ordered that George Floyd’s heart tumor must be tested to determine if it played a role in his death The information about the heart tumor was not presented to Chauvin in the trial
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Nice work by Ukraine.
https://hotair.com/john-s-2/2024/12/17/ukraine-assassinated-a-russian-general-in-moscow-n3797976
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“People on the outside (never going inside) were identified by facial recognition, hunted down, and also arrested – some years later.”
-Bitterlaw,
What about these people?
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“Evidence was withheld. Due process rights were violated. Charges were excessive. The venue wasn’t fair. And the full truth of government involvement on January 6 is still not known.”
-Bitterlaw,
Why doesn’t this bother you at all?
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looks like the gallows to hang vp were another fed hoax
https://x.com/JD_Cashless/status/1869084313171480692?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1869084313171480692%7Ctwgr%5E6c29bef7782b76f7b8748442faa21d2529176e5b%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheconservativetreehouse.com%2Fblog%2F2024%2F12%2F17%2Fdecember-17th-2024-presidential-politics-resistance-day-1429%2F
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NYC, Bitter will ask next why they even went to the rally. Not that it matters….
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From Tina’s tweet below…According to today’s new J6 report, Capitol employees destroyed them [gallows] the very next day and loaded the pieces a dump truck instead of collecting them as evidence.
The very next day? Before determining there wasn’t an insurrection ongoing? Why would they get rid of that kind of evidence the very next day? Odd….
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Thanks Chicon for posting that Chauvin article. Poso interviewed Liz Collins, a great MN reporter, who has followed the Chauvin trial and case for years. She has advocated for him, saying he was a victim of an anti- police environment. Not only was there the fatal amount of drugs in his system, but she pointed out how the ambulance was sent to the wrong location, slowing up medical help. The large crowd also made it more difficult to render aid. Floyd died at the hospital, not at the scene. There was no bruising, signs of trauma on his neck, nor indication he died of asphyxiation. The ME (Baker) initially ruled the heart tumor irrelevant to causes of death. However, this was disputed by other doctors in saying such a tumor could cause a heart attack.
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With respect to the gallows, it was illegal for someone to build a temporary structure on Capitol grounds.
To this day, we don’t know who constructed the gallows and why they were allowed to do so on the grounds.
We don’t know who planted the pipe bombs.
We do know that the free passers will be triggered by this.
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When Intel is withheld from the Chief of DC Police; when the police themselves aggressively don’t follow police procedures to control a crowd and are responsible for killing two unarmed women; when you have gallows erected that no one knows who built them; when you have pipe bombs planted that are not followed up on; when you have evidence deliberately destroyed and an unconstitutionally formed select committees handling what happened on J6 in a biased fashion; when more security was denied by Pelosi and McConnell’s Sargent of Arms; when the National Guard stood down until the riot was over……and the only people arrested, prosecuted and brought to justice were the ones walking into the “People’s House,” something is very wrong with who we punish and who we never hold accountable.
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I thought we already knew it was the Deep State.
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“-Bitterlaw,
Why doesn’t this bother you at all?”
I believe Bitter has said repeatedly that those over charged and over sentenced for J6, that it’s wrong.
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I agree with NYC in the previous thread.
Those who were fighting cops and breaking things should be held to account.
Other than those who committed acts of violence and vandalism, nobody else should have been sought by the authorities.“
Those that attacked cops, destroyed property, committed vandalism or theft should be prosecuted on those charges.
The trespassers should have been fined if they were readily identified, but if anyone was hunted down for just trespassing years later it is a waste of money and resources.
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https://x.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1868945446875676693?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1868945446875676693%7Ctwgr%5E9d263f19ea031b88aba16bb75c7bbde16998ca82%7Ctwcon%5Es
-h/t Instapundit
Posted by Stephen Green. His comment read: “This is the Deep State.”
The amount of money and government worker time devoted to going after political opposition is appalling. I hope all “conservatives” can agree on that.
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“I agree with NYC in the previous thread.”
-Dear Lord,
Please forgive me, for I have sinned.
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What is the over/under on the free passers claiming loon Cheney is a victim of Muh retribution?
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“I believe Bitter has said repeatedly that those over charged and over sentenced for J6, that it’s wrong.”
DW – you are probably correct. Please retract the question.
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“What is the over/under on the free passers claiming loon Cheney is a victim of Muh retribution?”
-I think they will allow it. Smart to only go after Cheney, a Republican, first. Nobody will stand up for her, from either side…..but then maybe she starts to speak about what really went on, in return for some immunity, if any is needed.
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Trump is getting some results on the border, first with the cartel Queen and now with Justine Truedope aka Fidel Castros son:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-17/canada-expands-aerial-border-surveillance-to-pacify-trump
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Cheneys may be the easiest case to prove because there is evidence of her witness tampering efforts.
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The trespassers should have been fined if they were readily identified, but if anyone was hunted down for just trespassing years later it is a waste of money and resources.
And so that’s where your concerns are triggered – that government money and resources were wasted? What about the lives of the people having squads of armed FBI invading homes early in the morning, handcuffing children, frightening one pregnant wife enough that she miscarried the next day. What about breadwinners being hauled off out of state to be held in detention, having many lose their jobs, businesses, livelihoods. 1600 people and counting have been “victimized” and suffered losses and abuses for a protest turned into a riot that lasted around 4 hours. Is that fair? Does this sound like what should be happening in a country we call “home of free and land of the brave?”
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Zzzzz…. the Putin Nurse, who has no empathy for the millions of displaced Ukranians and hundreds of thousands of dead, kidnapped, tortured, raped and exiled, actually has the chutzpah of accusing other of being indifferent.
I have said many times here that people were treated to a double standard of justice, overcharged and over-sentenced.
But that is not good enough for the Cultists, they want everyone to give the people who engaged in violence, destruction of public property, vandalism and theft a free pass.
Not going to happen.
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By the way, are the Putinistas in mourning over the death of the Russian general who was responsible for chemical warfare against Ukrainians?
Has janzam denounced yet as an “escalation”?
The video is pretty graphic, I won’t post it here but you can google it.
“A senior Russian general was killed Tuesday by a bomb hidden in a scooter outside his apartment building in Moscow, a day after Ukraine’s security service leveled criminal charges against him. A Ukrainian official said the service carried out the attack.
Lt. Gen. Igor Kirillov, the chief of the military’s nuclear, biological and chemical protection forces, was killed as he left for his office. Kirillov’s assistant also died in the attack.
Kirillov, 54, was under sanctions from several countries, including the U.K. and Canada, for his actions in Moscow’s war in Ukraine. On Monday, Ukraine’s Security Service, or SBU, opened a criminal investigation against him, accusing him of directing the use of banned chemical weapons.
An official with the SBU said the agency was behind the attack. The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release the information, described Kirillov as a “war criminal and an entirely legitimate target.”
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This is the Deep State.”
Zzzzzzz…..
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Interesting that his “assistant” was leaving his house at 4 AM on the way to the office….
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We all get triggered by different injustices in society, and some feel compelled to yell loudly about the injustice that triggers them and become incredulous that others don’t yell just as loudly.
I am triggered by society’s tolerance of allowing evil people to fool little boys into thinking they can be made into girls, and then racing them in to see an evil surgeon who actually picks up a knife and lops off the poor kids’ genitals, forever sterilizing these boys–boys who have never once ejaculated and have no idea what it feels like to have this function and therefore lack the knowledge of whether or not they want to keep it.
Most who post here don’t yell as loudly about this society evil as I do. Maybe you all feel you don’t have to because I take care of it. Maybe its not that big of deal to you.
But just because Bitter doesn’t yell as loudly as you about the J6 over-charged and over-sentenced people, doesn’t mean he’s giving the left a free pass or that he doesn’t care about it.
I am still bothered that the leftists in Wisconsin were never held accountable for destroying $1 million worth of public assets. They should have been charged, fined, and had an appropriate punishment. But because I don’t come here and say this every day doesn’t make me a free passer on the issue.
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DW, you don’t understand the group think nature of the Cult mentality.
They keep repeating over and over the injustice committed to those over sentenced, over charged, unfairly treated, etc.
The problem is nobody here disagrees with that. I am perfectly aboard with a case by case review of all the J6 sentences.
But somehow they also want the people who committed violence, theft, vandalism and destruction of public property get a free pass.
It doesn’t bother them that if you do that, you are no better than the Democrats, and you are basically giving a free pass to leftist rioters
And the reason it doesn’t bother them is because they believe in the Cult, not in the rule of law.
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I am still bothered that the leftists in Wisconsin were never held accountable for destroying $1 million worth of public assets. They should have been charged, fined, and had an appropriate punishment.”
They should have. But anyone who advocates for blanket pardons for J6 rioters have no moral grounds to call for that.
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I believe Trump has said the J6 pardons will be case-by-case evaluations. That is the best approach, even if the result is nearly universal pardons. It shows due diligence was taken in the review process.
And of course a pardon doesn’t erase the 3 or 4 years they have sat in prison.
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He has the option of not pardoning, but commuting the sentences of those that don’t deserve pardons if he feels their sentences were excessive.
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Even Enrique Tarrio of the Proud Boys does not deserve 22 years in prison, he was not even at the Capitol.
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Correction.
The Russian general’s assistant named Ilya was a man, not a woman.
I apologize to the deceased.
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Evidence was withheld. Due process rights were violated. Charges were excessive. The venue wasn’t fair.”
If you believe this is even possible, you are a conspiracy theory moron.”
Said by nobody at HHR.
Compulsive liar Chicon, a conspiracy theory moron, is making stuff up again.
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So once more:
Evidence was withheld. Due process rights were violated. Charges were excessive. The venue wasn’t fair.”
Many of the J6 rioters deserved to be prosecuted and sent to jail.”
Both can be true.
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And just like that Chi became a RINO warmonger.
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DW – your attitude towards the woke/trans mind virus is well-noted, and many others have also shared their feelings about it.
NOBODY has allowed the media to set any narratives about how the issue is really trying to help the “oppressed” in our midst.
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https://nypost.com/2024/12/16/opinion/cairs-fear-of-new-terror-charity-bill-is-reason-to-pass-it/
-Haven’t heard much about this, but I do kinda agree with the NY Post…..if CAIR is against it, I am for it…….BUT, I probably should look into it a bit more before taking that little-informed opinion.
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https://pjmedia.com/chris-queen/2024/12/17/german-archaeological-find-sheds-light-on-christianitys-spread-into-europe-n4935204
-Spread The Word!
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Trump sues dmr and the fraudulent pollster.
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Jason sez….If you believe this is even possible, you are a conspiracy theory moron.”
Said by nobody at HHR.
Compulsive liar Chicon, a conspiracy theory moron, is making stuff up again.
I was quoting someone else, dipshit….
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You quoted it because you agreed with it.
GFY.
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https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-syrian-moderate-rebel-removes-isis-patch-prompting-american-journalist
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SIX out of 14 people who have been president since 1945 have been LEFT-HANDED.
Only about 10% of Americans are left-handed.
But 42.8% of presidents since the end of WW II have been lefties.
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Discuss.
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The word sinister meant left in Latin. The Romans knew what they were talking about.
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OK, instead of left-handedness, how about discussing the absurdity of THIS:
“California District Attorney Eric DuTemple might become the first criminal prosecutor to be forced to refer to a convicted male rapist as a woman, using opposite-sex pronouns in court. The motion may also force witnesses and victims of the man to refer to him as “she” and “her.” This dystopian, Orwellian horror show in the courtroom is an inevitable result of laws like California’s Senate Bill 132 (SB 132), the “Transgender Respect, Agency, and Dignity Act,” which prompted WoLF to sue the state in 2021.WHO IS THE MALE CONVICT CLAIMING TO BE A WOMAN?
Tremaine Carroll, 51, a trans-identified male formerly incarcerated in a women’s prison, faces charges including two felony counts of forcible rape and one count of dissuading a witness – incidents that are alleged to have occurred in January 2024.
WoLF attended the People v. Tremaine Carroll preliminary hearing in Madera, California, in early July. The hearing determined there was enough evidence to proceed to trial. Our Executive Director Sharon Byrne and WoLF supporters protested the inhumane conditions that force women to be confined with men in prison cells, yards, and showers.
During the hearing, Mr. Carroll asked his attorney to require the prosecutor to refer to him by his “preferred pronouns” of she/her. DA DuTemple objected and was told he could file a brief, and the judge would consider his arguments in a later hearing.
Yesterday, the judge made a final decision: DuTemple has to refer to the alleged male rapist as a “she/her” during the trial.“
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Californina…lots of people there are going to root in hell…
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Or maybe this:
“House lawmakers left a classified intelligence briefing related to recent drone sightings with a consensus that likely nothing nefarious is going on in the skies — but reiterated calls for increased government transparency on the evidence that led to those conclusions.
The House Intelligence Committee received a closed-door briefing from top officials in the Justice, Defense, and Homeland Security departments Tuesday, and many lawmakers emerged from the meeting satisfied with the information shared. Lawmakers said they were assured there is no “imminent threat” posed by the drones and that most sightings are likely just manned aircraft or stars.”
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It only took 3 hours to convince all the members of the House Intelligence committee that there is nothing to see here.
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George Stephanopoulos/ABC
Ann Selzer
Liz Cheney
This is not revenge. It is holding people accountable like they tried and did to Trump.
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((Harry Enten)))
@ForecasterEnten
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It’s Trump Party & his GOP opponents can cry if they want to…
1. Almost all GOP who voted to impeach/convict Trump are gone from Congress.
2. 96% (!!!) GOP voters approve of his prez transition, which is up 16 pts (!) from Jan 2017.
3. All 2028 GOP frontrunners are MAGA.
Progress!!
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I’m a big fan of the lawsuit against St. Ann Selzer. It is hard to imagine how she could have accidentally obtained a sample that was so different than the electorate.
The discovery process should be interesting; the shredder and Bleach Bit are probably working overtime.
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Should every pollster who got it wrong be sued or just this one?
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The Selzer case isn’t going anywhere, not unless they find a receipt of payment that says, “PAID IN FULL to Ann Selzer, $1,500,000 for a faked poll of Iowa showing Harris leading Trump by 4 points.” And the payment was made by some D.C. Dem PAC or something like that.
In court Selzer will appeal to the 1 in 20 polls that are junk due to sampling error. They will appeal to the Dartmouth poll of NH that was even further off than the Selzer poll. And then they will appeal to the Sooner poll of OK, also way off.
Unless they were stupid enough to leave a smoking gun to be found, the case isn’t going anywhere.
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I guess I will have to read the lawsuit. I need to find it without going to Gateway Pundit or Zero Hedge. Not interested in adding to their traffic.
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DW should be an expert witness. If there was validity to this case, a lot of university polls are getting sued, too.
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The case against Dartmouth would be even stronger than Selzer, as NH was reportedly getting interesting, and Vance went there for a rally, and boom Dartmouth drops a NH poll that was off by 25.2 in favor of Harris. The final gap was only Harris +2.8
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Hendrix College off 15.7 in Arkansas, and Sooner poll off 18.1 in Oklahoma.
University of Rhode Island off 12.5 in RI.
Rutgers off 14.4 in New Jersey.
Fort Hays State University off 11.2 in Kansas.
But again, this is an industry of forecasting, much like the weather. They can always claim that they got bad data but put up a good faith effort. For election interference to stick, they would need a smoking gun like a receipt of payment for the faked poll.
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The Selzer poll was several standard deviations away, too far to fall back on the 1 in 20. That number is that 95% of the time a random sample falls within a range. Pollsters use random samples only after determining the demographic makeup of the electorate.
Ann ain’t dumb; she knew she had a bad sample and released it anyway. Should be a fact question about why she did it; discovery will tell much.
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But honestly, I am glad these pollsters put up these garbage numbers. I mean its one thing to be “Quinnipiac” off, you know, favoring the Dems by 5 to 9 points.
But to be off by 12, 16, or 25! This gets into the realm of statistically impossible odds for sampling error. So clearly there was lying going on in some of these polls, but proving it in court without a smoking gun is nearly impossible.
But the reason I am glad they put these numbers out involves the psyche of Gen Z, these 18 to 25 year olds out there. This generation claims that they HATE to be lied to.
Selzer, Dartmouth, and others LIED to them. Their disillusionment and then anger at being lied to will be healthy for them, and move them in a good direction.
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DW said….For election interference to stick, they would need a smoking gun like a receipt of payment for the faked poll.
I agree it will be a tough case, but not that they need a smoking gun piece of evidence. There will be a battle of experts on the statistical likelihood of the result. I think one can make a case that no reasonable pollster would believe that these results were accurate. They’ll have to explain why they published anyway.
The standard of proof in these civil trials isn’t beyond a reasonable doubt.
There should be repercussions for pollsters putting out wildly inaccurate polls because they impact the outcome.
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“They’ll have to explain why they published anyway.”
The problem here is that all kinds of garbage and falsehoods get published all the time in a wide variety of disciplines. There would need to be proof of specific election interference, proving an intent to shape the outcome by leveraging the reputation of the pollster to create a false narrative.
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So now we will have lawfare over polls?
If this is a negligence case, there is a 4 part standard
Duty – Did the pollster owe a duty to be accurate? Not to the public or Trump. Case ends
Breach of that duty – If there was a duty, did an inaccurate polls breach the duty? Depends on why it was inaccurate,
Causation – Did the breach of a duty cause injury to the public or Trump? No. He won.
Injury – No. He won.
This case should be tossed out on a Motion to Dismiss, Motion on the pleadings, or Preliminary Objections. Judge may allow discovery. Next move after that would be a Motion for Summary Judgment.
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So if Selzer takes the stand and says, “Yes, I hate Trump and I could not think of anything worse than another 4 years of Trump, so when it came time to poll, I told the staff to take a week off, and I just made up those numbers, knowing the media would run with it and give Harris momentum on the strength of my past polling performance.”
Then yes, they might get an election interference verdict.
But instead, she will say on the stand, “I acknowledge that the poll we took was off, but we always do our best, and we made a good faith effort to get it right, and we thought we picked up on something turned out to not be the case. We always kept a neutral stance on the candidates and tried our best regardless the candidates.”
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DW – As an attorney, it would easier to beat this case as defense counsel than win it as the Plaintiff’s counsel.
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Selzer had an impeccable reputation which made that poll result singularly important. It made worldwide news headlines. I think DMR/Selzer will prevail, but discovery will be very interesting.
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Bitter, I wonder if the intent is to just throw a scare into Selzer. Ruin her year end holidays with sleepless nights worried about a court case. That might be the intent. Short of her pleading guilty, or admitting guilt on the stand, its a very difficult if not impossible case for the plaintiff.
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Regardless of the outcome, the Selzer poll result was one more nail in the MSM coffin.
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“This case alleged Ms. Selzer violated the Iowa Consumer Fraud Act, which prohibits deceptive practices that occur in sales or advertising.”
It appears that Trump will need to prove intent. Tall order; we’ll see what discovery brings (unless the case gets bounced before that).
In response to Bitter being upset about lawfare….the cat’s out of the bag. I’d rather lawfare go away. I don’t believe in unilateral disarmament, so…bring it.
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The best benefit to come out of the Selzer poll is the obvious reality that we were lied to. That helps push Gen Z in our direction. So long as we don’t lie to them.
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Headline: Biden EPA Approves California’s Rule to Ban New Gas Car Sales by 2035
Good luck with getting that one to stick. Here in Virginia the prior communist governor we had pushed for that to be in effect by 2025. Not 100% ban, but high enough to SHUT DOWN every new car dealership in the state. Governor Youngkin had to throw it out to save the dealerships from closure.
Just the same, I am working hard to keep my old cars in good shape. If I make it to another 30 years of life, I would be content with current vehicles I own, if they can last as long as I do.
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I’d rather lawfare go away except by Trump.
Fixed it for Chi.
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Bitter, I wonder if the intent is to just throw a scare into Selzer. Ruin her year end holidays with sleepless nights worried about a court case.
DW – That could open him up to a suit for abuse of process.
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Another day, another falsehood by Bitter. Ho hum….
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I’d rather lawfare go away. I don’t believe in unilateral disarmament, so…bring it.
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I’d rather lawfare go away except by Trump.
Fixed it for Chi.
What was false?
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I wonder what the intent was in the Fani case in GA, the DC J6 case, the documents case, the Bragg case and the James case; all filed within months of each other years after the events?
And we’re gonna get the vapors about suing poor Annie…..
C’mon man….
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No one here is saying it was wrong to sue Selzer, and no one here feels sorry for her. I believe the comments made were that its going to be a tough case against her for the plaintiff to prove.
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Then don’t say you would rather lawfare go away. You don’t feel that way. Own it and move forward.
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Chicon – it looks like there is an existing law that they believe was broken in that lawsuit, as opposed to the Iowa legislature changing some law after the fact to entrap Selzer…….so I would not call it “lawfare”.
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Bitterlaw – for a guy who never forgets the smallest slight, you are lightning quick to forgive actions taken by Democrats, or for the benefit of a Democrat…….even if those actions may be illegal…….odd, to say the least.
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“I wonder what the intent was in the Fani case in GA, the DC J6 case, the documents case, the Bragg case and the James case; all filed within months of each other years after the events?”
-Forgive me if I am wrong, all of them have certain characteristics unique to their case, where they have never been brought against any other individual, except for Trump.
FFS, the James case HAS NO VICTIM, those involved would continue to do business with the defendant, but somehow Trump was guilty of fraud against those same people!
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-vivek-ramaswamy-want-170909986.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
“”As always, bipartisan cooperation must lead the way – we can’t have last minute delays or grandstanding, or else the American people won’t get the funding they deserve, or else we could risk a shutdown,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer said on the Senate floor Wednesday morning.”
-I know the usual suspects will do Chuck’s bidding, and then claim I support him. Typical projection, like a Democrat would do.
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Yeah, I’d rather it go away. But I’m not unilaterally disarming. If they want to play that game, we play it to win. Maybe that convinces them it isn’t a successful tactic.
All are true.
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Zzzzzzzz I did not say to forgive. It is a complete waste of time that will achieve 2 negative results for Trump.:
1. It will support the Democrats’ claim that Trump will focus on retribution and revenge.
2. Distract Trump from achieving the goals of his Presidency.
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“1. It will support the Democrats’ claim that Trump will focus on retribution and revenge.”
-A lawsuit in Iowa……yes, MILLIONS of people will be watching that!
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NT at 3:00
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“2. Distract Trump from achieving the goals of his Presidency.”
-How? Why will Trump be involved with this lawsuit?
(I am assuming that his campaign surrogates will be worrying about this, not him. Educate me.)
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He is right
https://x.com/mattgaetz/status/1869406920768917618?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1869406920768917618%7Ctwgr%5Eebe336b1630f9e8bbd9038ecbde1c79c6cd74043%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2024%2F12%2Fbreaking-house-ethics-committee-secretly-votes-release-damaging%2F
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In regard to another Continuing Resolution fiasco, nothing says “Same Old, Same Old” as that. Supposedly, farmers need the CR or else. If that is the case, let the House pass a stand alone bill and make Schumer and the Dems vote it down.
Do everything piece by piece. This constant need for “urgency, or else” is b*llsheot.
Why continue to play that game? We keep losing when we do.
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“He is right”
Yup.
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https://x.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1869407887983821089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1869407887983821089%7Ctwgr%5Efa69471fe438a276ce986fac597aed37b810d2ca%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F691076%2F
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“Congress has known about this deadline since they created it in late September. There’s no reason why this couldn’t have gone through the standard process, instead of being rushed to a vote right before Congressmen want to go home for the holidays. The urgency is 100% manufactured & designed to avoid serious public debate.”
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“renewal of the much-criticized “Global Engagement Center,” a key player in the federal censorship state;”
-This alone should make it a NAY vote.
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Bitter sez….1. It will support the Democrats’ claim that Trump will focus on retribution and revenge.
2. Distract Trump from achieving the goals of his Presidency.
#1. Who cares?
#2. He’s shown a rather substantial ability to multi-task. In addition, perhaps this is a goal of his Presidency.
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Tina sez….He is right.
He absolutely is right.
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#1. Who cares?
Why do you want to add credibility to the Democrats’ argument?
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I don’t think you grasp what Trump supporters (as opposed to Trump voter) hired him to do. They tried the turn the other cheek, play nice thing for decades. They’ve moved on.
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Fine. Then just admit you support continued lawfare and we can share a cream soda.
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Bitterlaw,
Was I wrong in how I characterized the suits levied against Trump, as opposed to this one against Selzer?
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Yup another cr. And there will be another next year.
More $ to the grifter and the Al quaeda thugs in Syria (or isisi)
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61% of Americans favor banning transgender hormone procedures or surgery for minors – Marquette poll
Shocking that its not 100%. They must have written the questions poorly.
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Elon Musk is playing bad cop (good thing). He is firing tweets at the Rs in Congress, largely a bunch of losers, grifters and dead Enders.
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I called all of the impeachments and cases against Trump political BS. Is there a point to your question?
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“Is there a point to your question?”
-Yes.
I am assuming the suit against Selzer is based on an existing Iowa law, and the legislature did not change any laws to specifically go after her, like other jurisdictions did with Trump.
So, I don’t regard this Selzer suit as “lawfare”.
Is there not a difference in approach that you should consider?
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https://x.com/WallStreetMav/status/1869401339421466755?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1869401339421466755%7Ctwgr%5Efed33960166f0d5dba4b82d82407ccff53da750e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Finstapundit.com%2F691123%2F
“Also, members of Congress are receiving an opt out from being required to use Obamacare”
-ALL Republicans should vote this down!
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I think it is a pointless lawsuit which, even if had merit, has no damages. He won Iowa and the election.
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https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/12/lawless-democrats-clueless-republicans.php
“First, let’s once again debunk the “government shutdown” theme, beloved of media hacks everywhere. Question: when the government “shuts down,” do your local public schools still operate? Do your state and local police still patrol? Does your county government still function? Are Gavin Newsom and Tim Walz still (unfortunately) on the job? There are thousands of governmental units in the United States, and only one of them “shuts down” when there is a budget impasse. How likely is the EPA going dark going to affect your day-to-day life? And to be sure, not even the federal government completely “shuts down” when there is a budget impasse: Social Security checks still go out; the military still is on watch, etc. It is something of a sham.”
-Mind you, there are also a couple of suggestions for other options on how the Republicans could handle this “emergency”.
I suspect the usual suspects will totally ignore those suggestions, and go straight to demonizing those who want to “shut down the government!”.
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UPDATE—Our pal Jeremy Carl offers this useful suggestion on Twitter/X:
It is possible that credible threats from Elon and others will still save the day here, but they’d be much stronger negotiating position if Democrats were looking at moderate cuts to their programs as their BATNA (Best Alternative to a Negotiated Agreement), rather than a full-on government shutdown, where they know that ultimately, they can just wait us out.
Far better is to structure an alternative to a shutdown that continues funding, but at a reduced rate, such that there is pain felt by various constituencies in government and there is real incentive for Democrats (The party of government) to sacrifice to get an agreement.
This has nothing to do with being soft. It’s about understanding where we have political leverage and where we don’t have political leverage. I believe in playing extreme hardball with the Dems when we actually have real political leverage– not just when it makes a good headline to grandstand to.”
-Seems reasonable, which means House Republicans that are in charge won’t give it a thought.
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NT, damn it.
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