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The Hedgehog Report - Phoenix Edition 
66 responses to “New thread for Tina.”
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interesting call on Ike. He was courted by both the Dems and R’s to run in the 52 elections as no one knew which party he would align with.
if I remember correctly he continued the run of expanding federal power and increased alphabet agencies.
Marv and Tina – can I ask why you chose Ike.
btw if we go back before 1960 how do people feel about Coolidge.
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Vic set the dividing line at 1960.
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My second thread where I am mentioned by name. I will now run to the store and play some lottery scratchers.
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Even Andy McCarthy and Bondo Barr are not disputing this:
ndrew C. McCarthy: As president, Trump was undeniably authorized to keep classified intelligence in his possession…Biden, on the contrary, was not authorized to possess national-defense information outside a secure Capitol Hill location while he was in the Senate. Yet he took documents from their secure storage and kept them at various private locations, going back decades. He was well aware that he was in possession of classified information in unauthorized places, but he maintained it there so he could easily refer to it. This is why Hur concluded that his offense was willful…The failure to charge Biden, when Trump has been charged in dozens of counts, is inexplicable…based on solid evidence — that Biden acted willfully, establishing gross negligence would have been a layup…The only way to make sense of the disparate treatment of Trump and Biden on classified documents is that the Biden Justice Department special counsels’ decisions are political.”
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Ike would never make my list. Because of his stupidity and weakness and naiveté millions of people in the Iron Curtain had to suffer decades of occupation and Soviet rule unnecessarily.
I know the Ike sycophants will claim it was necessary to “avoid a war” with Russia but that is utter BS, Eisenhower could have saved 70% plus of the Iron Curtain territory had he been less accommodating to the Soviets and if he hadn’t been so naive as to believe their promise of “free elections”.
For this reason his legacy and Presidency will be forever tarnished. I rank him as one of the 10 worst Presidents in history. Sue me.
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Vic is right. Eisenhower was elected because he was a famous General, not because he had any vision or agenda. And yes the expansion of government from the Roosevelt-Truman years continued unabated during his terms.
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how do people feel about Coolidge.”
I like him.
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The wife of somebody here took a vacation to Hawaii, but left their spouse home?
Sorry about that.
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At NRA conventions when they do power point presentations–
Do they have slides that have bullet points?
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What is the only flower that has an animal name in it?
DANDY LION
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What is the only bush that has a number in it?
FOUR SYTHIA
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What is the only flower that has a Disney character in it’s name?
DAFFY DILL
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I’m done and will show myself out.
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Walt hasn’t been this funny since he performed as court jester for King Henry II in the 12th Century.
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Jan, I saw you mention the postponed UK election; that was in 1940, as a unity government had been formed by then and they proceeded to hold their seats (barring deaths in office) for ten years before the 1945 GE was held in May (hence why Atlee was at Potsdam and not Churchill).
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btw I was the first two posts. Don’t know why it said anon
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Walt started off working the room with one cell animals.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13207367/Putin-wins-Russian-election-exit-poll-shows.html?ito=pull-notification&ci=1eyMKraXr8&xi=e4c62adb-dc55-45df-b610-fe5d77d172e8&ai=13207367
Putin will have to build more prisons as he wins with less than 90% of the vote.
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so the msm dishonesty can be seen at its fullest extent with the bloodbath cimmwbt
what I don’t understand is how liberals and the media are running with it when it’s so easy to go and hear the speech to see exactly what was said.
tbh it’s not dishonestly, it’s pure propaganda and lies that is generally seen in dictatorships or banana republics
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bloodbath – major economic disaster.
Trump used this term when talking about the Ccp selling cars through Mexico, avoiding tariffs.
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Dave used to run the HHR March Madness Tournament. I think I won it one year.
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March 17, 2024 6:00 pm
Marina Medvin 🇺🇸
@MarinaMedvin
Democratic political strategist James Carville, says that if Biden loses the election, it will be the fault of the Jews — that Biden needs to stop supporting Israel in order to get the Muslim vote in Michigan.
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So Carville wants Muslims in Michigan to take over control of our foreign policy. Nice.
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Elon Musk says there has to be a red wave or the US is done.
Biden and the demoncrats have pretty much ran the country to the precipice
https://redstate.com/bobhoge/2024/03/16/elon-musk-calls-it-like-he-sees-it-there-will-be-either-a-red-wave-in-november-or-america-is-doomed-n2171491
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Self loathing Jews like the Biden Troll will still vote for Biden. Sad.
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Maybe wealthy Jews will stop donating to anti-semites.
Hope springs eternal.
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Big 1st amendment case today at the Supreme Court. It is about the government “encouraging” social media companies to censor “misinformation”.
During discovery it was found that multiple areas of the government were doing the same thing. An amazing coincidence, given that there’s no deep state.
Chicon
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Didn’t the Biden troll claim to have gop vanity plates?
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‘it was found that multiple areas of the government were doing the same thing. An amazing coincidence, given that there’s no deep state.”
Rumor is they coordinated this at their secret deep underground cave which previously housed the Roswell aliens in New Mexico and was commandeered by the Deep State. This cave is where the Deep State Supreme Poobah lives and from where all Deep State order emanate.
It is also where the Deep State human sacrifices occur, one conservative is sacrificed at the Deep State Altar after which the Deep State Supreme Poobah eats his heart.
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Speaking of Deep State, I hope the Easter Bunny will generous this year.
I have a request to skip chocolate eggs and instead deliver ribeye steaks.
I think the odds of that happening are better than the Deep State existing, so I am optimistic.
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Btw, if the collusion between govt agencies and the MSM to stifle dissent is before SCOTUS and everyone is reading about it, I guess the “Deep State” is not very “deep”.
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Ma, no wonder that deep state bait got so expensive lately.
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Whatever title we wanna give it, the collision between government and social media to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story may have altered the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.
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Collusion….
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The Stockholm Syndrome Chicklets may be the key here (Souter 2.0; Beotchy: and Bushie)
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If Deep State really was a super secret government group, they suck at the “secret” part.
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no new polls today
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Bitter, the government clearly worked with social media companies to censor certain speech, including the successful suppression of the Hunter laptop story. It was a widespread effort involving many areas of the government.
Do you think this – if true – is a violation of the 1st Amendment? Also, is it a good thing in Bitterland or not?
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Why do we all know about Hunter Biden’s laptop if the story was suppressed? It’s like Obama and Rev. Wright. People say it was suppressed but people talked about it and it did not impact the outcome of the election.
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Nothing is good in Bitterland. Everybody who wanted to know about the laptop knew about it. Both can be true.
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the collision between government and social media to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story may have altered the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.”
This is true.
But government actions or even misdeeds do not prove any “Deep State”. As Bitter points out, if there was really a Deep State, they really suck at the “deep” or “secret” part.
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People say it was suppressed but people talked about it and it did not impact the outcome of the election.”
Nah, I don’t agree with that at all.
There was that letter by 52 “intelligence experts” claiming that it was Russian disinformation.
Polls show that if the contents of the laptop were fully known, it would certainly have made a difference in swing states.
So yes, it impacted the election.
But it does not prove any Deep State, it just proves that people in power use it for their personal agenda, and that many people in power share that agenda.
Very different from some secret cabal that is a state within a state.
That is unmitigated horse crap.
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Ma, no wonder that deep state bait got so expensive lately.
Chicon”
Ma, the fish are on to us.
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Bitter the dissemination of the Hunter story was effectively suppressed until after election day.
It seems you are unable to say that this is a bad thing. That’s too bad.
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Jason says “But it does not prove any Deep State, it just proves that people in power use it for their personal agenda, and that many people in power share that agenda.”
To me, what you wrote is what is meant by deep state. What the national security apparatus did in 2020 regarding the election, and what the health related governmental agencies did regarding Covid is “people in power using it for their personal agenda”, and “many people in power shared that agenda.”
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We all talked about it BEFORE Election Day. We don’t have a special hotline.
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No polls today. I think DW is sleeping on the job, he should just make up some.
I hear it would not be the first time.
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We all talked about it BEFORE Election Day. We don’t have a special hotline.”
We are political geeks so to speak.
There was very little about it for the general public and what little did get out was blunted by the campaign to call it disinformation.
Remember the election was decided by 42k votes spread out over 3 states. Even minute swings would have been significant.
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To me, what you wrote is what is meant by deep state. What the national security apparatus did in 2020 regarding the election, and what the health related governmental agencies did regarding Covid is “people in power using it for their personal agenda”, and “many people in power shared that agenda.”
Ok, if that is your definition of Deep State then we agree.
There is no secret organization, there are just people using their positions to promote a certain agenda which many people in government and in the media share.
Now we do have evidence that the MSM colludes to disseminate the same talking points. No doubt about that.
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Actually polling suggests that not everyone knew about the laptop.
20% would have changed their vote (to trump).
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Netanyahu cuts Schumer a new a-hole.
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I believe Rasmussen was the pollster. So, while readers here knew, the general public did not.
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20% would have changed their vote (to trump).”
I doubt it. But even 3% would have flipped AZ, GA, PA, WI, MI and NV.
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Chicon opened the conversation regarding the censorship case being heard and debated in the Supreme Court today. It’s a huge piece of a larger puzzle the government is erecting to quash the 1st amendment application, as it relates to what is permissible to say, via their definitions of what is misinformation, disinformation or allowed information. Examples of how free speech has already being negatively effected or, altogether roiled, has been the Russian collusion myth, 2020 election irregularities and misgivings, the legitimacy of Hunter’s laptop, and most egregiously COVID propaganda pushed by almost every government agency in this country. If this ruling goes south we are screwed!
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When my phone rings and it says “Potential Spam,” I still answer it. You never know if it is Deep State and I am curious about salary and benefits.
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The people revolting against this government suppression of speech is a virtual “whose who” of heavily credentialed medical professionals ((those creating the Barrington Declaration etc) and journalists who who have been deplatformed from social media, lost jobs, and smeared by Fauci government stooges to eliminate their contrary professional opinions. I see them as a kindred clan to the Founding Fathers, who also went through a gauntlet of controversy and criticism to produce the framework of Constitutional freedoms we tenuously enjoy today.
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I knew Bitter has a bent toward censorship, but c’mon man.
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Bottom line is life isn’t fair. The left can coordinate a large-scale effort to suppress info that damages their candidate, but if a Republican makes a joke about texting to vote for Hillary, then he is hauled off to prison.
We are in a banana republic, and this is what happens in banana republics.
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You really don’t know me at all. I don’t believe in censorship (except military secrets on the eve of battle). I say put it all out there and let people decide. For example, I think Gateway Pundit is a conspiracy rag that looks to placate Tina and Jan’s fears. I would not ban it.
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I really do answer spam calls.
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Tina, anything out there yet on today’s SC argument?
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Chicon and Jason have a pretty good beat on what “deep state” means when most (not the conspiracy theorists) use it. Jason said, “There is no secret organization, there are just people using their positions to promote a certain agenda which many people in government and in the media share.”
I would that the biggest perpetrators of this are the entrenched K street consultants. Politicians come and go, K Street always remains, and will push whatever agenda they are paid to push.
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“Former President Donald Trump has been unable to obtain an appeal bond to secure a $454 million civil judgment against him in a New York business fraud case, his attorneys said in a court filing Monday.
Lawyers for Trump and his co-defendants said it has been “impossible” for them to secure a complete appeal bond, which would effectively require “cash reserves approaching $1 billion,” which neither the former president nor his company has.
Trump’s team has approached, without success, around 30 surety companies through four separate brokers as he seeks an appeal bond, and they have spent “countless hours negotiating with one of the largest insurance companies in the world,” according to the filing with the Appellate Division of Manhattan Supreme Court.
Under New York court rules, Trump must post an appeal bond if he wants to avoid New York Attorney General Letitia James moving to collect on the fraud judgment in the state’s favor.
James has said she will seize Trump’s property if he is unable to pay the entire judgment or obtain an appeal bond.”
This is so unfair…….
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DW says “We are in a banana republic, and this is what happens in banana republics.”
What DW has expressed here is a very common theme for large portions of the population. To them, the state of affairs in the country is a crisis and dangerous. They support Trump BECAUSE he’s a Richard, not DESPITE him being a Richard. They think a Richard is necessary.
This is hard to grasp at an experiential level for the Genteel Class of the Republican Party (note to Bitter…not referring to you here so no need to repost your phone number).
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Jan – I have to admit I agree with you. What has happened to Trump in NY is not just unfair, its unsettling. He did not commit fraud. Paid off all his loans, with interest, and put no one in harms way.
To fine him nearly half a billion dollars is not just absurd, its anti-American, and should scare anyone, any business, who dares disagree with those in power in the state. I don’t even know how someone could fine a company/person who paid his loans off nearly half a billion dollars. Its mind boggling.
BTW, what is that money going to be used for…hint hint…bigger govt.
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laptop election interference pole
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116258/documents/HHRG-118-FD00-20230720-SD011.pdf
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They got him for fraud using a law not even applicable.
No jury with a judge on the take.
$18 million is the value for MAL.
lol
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Scarfarce had a meltdown over his bloodbath tweet which he deleted.
If he believed it he should have kept the tweet up and be sued for libel.
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Vic it’s good you can see the absurdity in what is happening with this heavy-handed fine. I keep wondering how the Dems are able to get away with so many scary rulings, attaching punishments so out of proportion with the alleged “crime.”
It’s worrisome because if this is how our legal system is allowed to act, then everyone is susceptible to be brutalized “under the law,” as it’s serviced under a dem governance.
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