Thread rule. Any reference to Deep State means I disregard your post. It will still appear but it has no credibility with me.
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Deep State = Zzzzzzz
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how about shallow state?
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Looks like our aid to Ukraine has been very well spent….
“In two years of conflict [war], Russian losses match – and in many cases surpass – those that comprised its original force,” the UK MoD stressed.
Analysts estimated that Russia’s confirmed losses include over 2,700 tanks and 5,000 infantry fighting vehicles and armoured personnel carriers, while about 350,000 Russian troops were likely killed or wounded.
The UK MoD review stated that for its large-scale invasion of Ukraine, Russia initially deployed around 130 Battalion Tactical Groups (BTGs), which likely included about 1,300 tanks, over 5,000 infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs) and armoured personnel carriers (APCs), and at least 100,000 soldiers.
The UK MoD noted that mobilisation and recruitment, as well as the production and repair of equipment, allowed Russia to offset its losses”
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I don’t know in which I believe more. The Deep State or the Tooth Fairy….
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It’s just pennys on the $
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I give Trump credit for this…smart politics.
Under my leadership, the Republican Party will always support the creation of strong, thriving, healthy American families. We want to make it easier for mothers and fathers to have babies, not harder! That includes supporting the availability of fertility treatments like IVF in every State in America. Like the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of Americans, including the VAST MAJORITY of Republicans, Conservatives, Christians, and Pro-Life Americans, I strongly support the availability of IVF for couples who are trying to have a precious baby.
Today, I am calling on the Alabama Legislature to act quickly to find an immediate solution to preserve the availability of IVF in Alabama. The Republican Party should always be on the side of the Miracle of Life – and the side of Mothers, Fathers, and their Beautiful Babies. IVF is an important part of that, and our Great Republican Party will always be with you, in your quest, for the ULTIMATE JOY IN LIFE!”
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Deep State has never left money under my pillow. The Tooth Fairy has.
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Deep State is one of those terms without a definition on HHR. Like deadender (which is defined as any candidate the poster doesn’t like). Discussion of the topic is pointless without common understanding of the term.
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buenos días hope everyone’s having a great weekend
I agree wirh Chicon in the definition of deep state. It’s like RINO = anyone who doesn’t agree with me 100% if the time
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Rino is another good example. Bitter is a good lawyer, so getting a specific definition from him is a challenge.
Chicon
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Deep State is a ridiculous term…and its conspiratorial use deflects from the actual problem unelected bureaucrats can cause…the term should be Administrative State within the Executive Branch. Which includes DOJ, FBI, SOS, CIA, etc… all unelected appointees and hires…Obama did some serious damage in his eight years and Trump never drained the swamp. Nothing secret here.
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Zzzzzzzz Deep Stare advocates have repeatedly defined it as a secret organized nefarious cabal within the Federal Government to undermine the rights of Americans.
The idea that Federal employees would ever work that hard is laughable.
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Does Deep State get extra vacation days? Federal employees are going to want something extra in exchange for running a nefarious organization.
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Fauci wasn’t secretly undermining our rights Trump empowered him. 😂
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the irony of our review of all these labels is that they are all part of the Pauliac lexicon that seeped into the party. The disaffected within the GOP and a lot of those new to politics thought it was part of the “populist” movement within the party and took it in.
deep state. RINO. The fed. CFR. Etc etc. all came in on the back of the Paulistas who are like cockroaches. They are a parasitic entity that infects its host and impossible to get rid of. No matter how many poison bombs you set off, the scum never dies, it just infects and destroys, until you’re forced to give up and move on.
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Deep State is one of those terms without a definition on HHR.”
Sure it has.
It is a secret nefarious organization within the state with great powers.
As such, it is a figment of the imagination of the morons who believe in it.
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Deadenders are well defined too.
Morons who believe “sending a message” is actually more important than winning elections.
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RINO is also well defined here.
Any R that dares disagree even once with Tina.
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Does Deep State get extra vacation days? Federal employees are going to want something extra in exchange for running a nefarious organization.”
I wonder where they meet to plot their next move.
Rumor has it that secret tunnels build during the Civil War connect all the federal buildings leading to a great underground hall where before the meeting starts at least one conservative undergoes ritual sacrifice and has his heart ripped out by a designated Deep State member wearing a purple cape with the DS insignia stitched in gold.
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As stated earlier, the topic merits no discussion because people are discussing apples and oranges.
Add in the usual exaggeration and distortion of positions (an A-hole specialty), and you get useless gibberish.
Chicon
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A question crossed my mild while in church this morning.
If you were alive when Jesus was a teenager and were coach of the baseball team (assuming they had baseball then) that has Jesus on the roster–WHERE WOULD YOU PLAY HIM IN THE FIELD?
Pitcher?
Catcher?
Short stop?
Center Field?
second base? (Hey, if he turned water into wine, he should be able to turn double plays)
other?
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Next question, as the coach, where do you BAT him in the lineup?
Leadoff (Christ is supposed to be first in our lives)?
or Cleanup hitter in 4th spot? (4th is usually most powerful player)
or DH?
or bat 9th? (“The First shall be last”)
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Which led me to the question of if you were the football coach of the team that included Jesus on the roster, where do you play Him in the field?
QB? (the play caller of our lives)
Center? (Jesus is the center of our lives)
pulling guard? (Jesus is pulling for you)
Tackle? (He will help you tackle your problems)
Tight End? (be tight with Jesus)
Fullback? (Full Gospel Churches would probably put him there)
Other?
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Chicon goes after me almost exclusively. Cool.
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distortion of positions”
Zzzzzz…..translation: direct hit.
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This is the path Haley has chosen to take —-> being a spoiler.
@ToscaAusten
“(Everyone has a price. Democrats and Never Trump cultists are paying Nikki to stay in the race.
Trump trounced Haley in her home state of S.C and she lost the woman vote in a 2-1 margin.
Haley has reached her shelf life. She lost it weeks ago in Iowa, NH and Nevada. Short of Donald Trump’s demise or deep state imprisonment, there is simply no path forward for Nikki. But the RNC refuses to throw out a rotten egg—a spoiler.
Haley is underwater in virtually every state, she is in the race as a political cudgel at this point. Her poisonous barbs shield Biden and the shadow nominee who’s waiting in the wings.
The double punch: Trump can’t access general election funds and he can’t receive White House briefings—unless he is the official Republican nominee.”
Nikki has essentially become a major obstructionist in making it easier to defeat the Dems in November.
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(an A-hole specialty)”
Translation: the A-holes are really good at cutting through the BS and smoke and mirrors and calling out people’s positions for what they really are.
Too bad I have to share the credit with Bitter.
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And a third item I have been researching and thinking about.
TOTAL Population of U.S. today is about 335 million.
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GOOGLE “How many non-U.S citizens are in the U.S today?”
answers:
–In 2019 there were 44.9 Million non-U.S. citizens resident in U.S.
–but in 2020, there were 40 million (about 5 Million LESS than the year before????)
–in 2021 (unspecified as to what month) there were 45 million or 45.3 million (two different sources)
–in April of 2021, there were 45 Million
–in October of 2023 there were 46.2 million
–another source says in October of 2023 there were 49 million
So, the answer is nobody knows the real number.
Burt whatever it is, we know that the Biden administration is letting in 3.5 million illegals a year–not counting the got-a-ways, which is estimated to be anywhere from a couple hundred thousands an year to over a million a year.
So the Biden administration (3 years so far) is responsible for about 11 MILLION of the total number of non-U.S. citizens.
About 11 Million of the 45 to 49 million. LET THAT SINK IN.
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“But most of the people coming in are just Mexicans who want to be with relatives here.”
NO, THEY ARE NOT
Coming here from countries for all over the world.
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“But most of the people who are coming here are families.”
NO THEY ARE NOT
about 70% are “unaccompanied minors” or single males over 18 years of age.
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“But Biden is eventually shipping them back.”
NO HE IS NOT
over 40,000 Chinese have come in illegally in the past year or so and we have kicked out 600.
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But they help the economy and are not a burden and drain on our government tax dollars.”
WRONG!
free (to THEM) transportation
free (to THEM) housing
free (to THEM) meals
free to THEM) medical care
free (to THEM) education
free (to THEM) GIFT CARDS AND VOUCHERS FOR WALKING AROUND MONEY
TAXPAYERS WILL PROVIDE ALL FOR THEM!
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“They are just poor people looking for a better life.”
–Pay $1,000 to get from Asia, Africa, Middle East, etc. to fly to central America
–Pay Mexican drug cartels $4,000-$10,000 each in exchange for their plastic-colored bracelets and secure guide to the U.S border.
And as soon as they get into the U.S., the FIRST THING they do is take SELFIES ON THEIR CELL PHONES THEY BROUGHT WITH THEM
AND THEY COME IN WITH:
–NO MEDICAL BCKGROUND CHECK TO EE WHAT DISEASES THEY MAY BE CARRYING
–NO COVID VACINATIONS
–NO PYSCHOLIGICAL EVALUATION TO DETERMINE IF THEY HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS
–NO CRIMINAL BACKGROUND CHECK TO SEE IF THEY HAVE CRIINAL RECORDS
–NO WAY TO CHECK TO SEE IF THEY ARE ISIS, HOUTHI OR OTHER WHACKADOODLE RADICALS
–MOST DO NOT SPEAK ENGLISH
–MOST HAVE NOT LIVED IN A CULTURE LIKE EXISTS IN THE U.S.
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I don’t have any problem with Nikki You Have to Feel My Pain Haley staying in and nobody else should have a problem with it either.
She is not obligated to anoint Trump as the nominee, she has money to stay in, what is the problem exactly?
Besides, from the previous thread…
“I am not impressed by Trump’s 60-40 win. SC. is a very conservative state, especially among Rs, Trump should have gotten 80% for me to be impressed. He lost some urban population centers by large margins.
Charleston Haley 39000 Trump 24000
Columbia. Haley 19000 14000
Beaufort 22000 Trump 17000
This shows the same weakness he displayed in the suburbs in 2020 is still an issue.”
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Nikki should stay in. If Trump falters somehow, she will be the only one standing.
No, I won’t vote for her, but that is besides the point.
From her perspective, staying in is smart politics.
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If you were elected president and Jesus was alive and came to you and aksed you to put him in a cabinet level positon…
Would you?
If so, what position?
AG (Dept. of Justice)
Sec. of State?
Sec. of Defense?
Treasury?
Homeland Security?
other?
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OK.
Thanks for all the back and forth conversation about my deep questions.
See you later, ‘gater tater..
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Are WE STILL WINNING on immigration?
The immigration deadenders thought we were winning for decades just by doing nothing.
What happened?
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Treasury.
If he could change water to wine, it is a good chance Jesus could transform iron into gold.
This would be a huge help to the Treasury.
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Her poisonous barbs”
Question for Janzam the Putin Lapdog
Does Trump use “poisonous barbs” against his adversaries?
Yes or no?
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Biden starts nuclear war on Italian TV skit.
https://redstate.com/benkew/2024/02/25/demented-biden-accidentally-launches-nuclear-weapon-in-brutal-italian-tv-sketch-n2170545
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An excellent review of the Russia-Ukraine war by Streiff at Redstate. Good reading for ignorant Putin stooges like Tina and Janzam, maybe they can learn something besides vacuous pro-Putin talking points
https://redstate.com/streiff/2024/02/24/putins-war-week-104-n2170491
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Exactly..
I never cease to be amused by the people who push for a “negotiated solution” to Putin’s War as though that was different from Hitler’s peace treaty with France in 1940. In this video, Dimitri Medvedev, a former president of Russia and current deputy chairman of the Security Council of Russia, calls Odesa a “Russian city,” saying, “Odessa, come back home, we have been waiting for Odesa in the Russian Federation.” He says that to successfully complete the “special military operation,” Kiev must be taken as Ukraine is “a threat to Russia’s existence.” He also says that the purpose of peace talks and negotiations is to give Russia time to rearm.
The only people pushing for negotiations seem to be the Russians and their backers in the West. The Ukrainians aren’t.
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“Putin’s War”
Of course Janzam the Putin sycophant shamefully calls it “Zelensky’s War”.
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”From her perspective, staying in is smart politics.”
I agree. For Nikki, relying on rich dem donors and Biden dem voters, pushing Haley’s presidential ambitions forward, gives her a vulture’s position of picking up the R nomination should Trump be vacuumed out of competition. In the meantime, she slows down consolidation of the republican/independent vote, R funding to defeat Biden, and overall dampens/stresses the mood of the Republican Party base.
Nonetheless, Bitter will rejoice. I and a ton of others, however, will not vote for her even if her scheming proves fruitful, and the Dems will be handed the WH once again.
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Also, Bitter chastises Trump for giving to Dems over 12 years ago, while generously donating to R’s ever since. But, he says nothing, and apparently is not bothered by Haley chasing after dem donor money and dem voters who will vote for Biden in the GE. Ironically, Trump is a former dem who left his party to become a Republican. And, Haley, OTOH, is a Republican who has turned her back on the Republican Party, essentially joining the Dems to defeat the person most republicans want as their nominee.
Classic bitter blinders.
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I don’t think any of Trumps primary victories are all that impressive considering he is a former president. But whatever… He still has a suburban and educated issue that will cost him in the general.
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I think the reason Haley is staying in the race is there is a deep state plot for a brokered convention.
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JeffP if RDS was still in the race, with the margins achieved last night by DJT, you would be clapping like a seal and singing his praises.
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is janzam able to admit that the Holocaust was real? Yes or no?
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Jan, a. I don’t think he would be “clapping like a seal” b. RDS is not a former Oresident with 100% name recognition
to say different is to overlook the biggest impediment to election, which is suburban moms and independents. He has the base and populists secured, but he lost because he has failed to increase his appeal. Literally his whole pick is “Biden is bad, so may as well go with me” rather than increasing his appeal to those who don’t agree with him 100% on all issues or the maga followers 100% if the tine
loyalty tests always fail in the long tun
Haley has every right to stay in the race. Trump will be the nominee. Both can and are true
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Trump may very well be the nominee and in a general election will win a lot of votes in rural and exurban areas.
However, as soon now in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina, he underperforms the polls because he collapses in the suburbs. The Republican Party, or what used to make up the Republican Party is incredibly divided because of Trump. Whatever the polling might show before the general election, he will likely do worse and that will likely cost Republicans not only the White House, but other offices as well.
Nominating Trump is a vote for Biden.
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RDS is smart enough to know that Trump would never withdrawal regardless of the cost.
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Vic, as they say “I respectfully disagree.”
Even in Haley’s own state it appeared Trump won women 2 to 1. I think not only have his polling numbers grown in the 2024 race, but I think it suggests a growth in his appeal to all demographics —-> women, minorities, youth and so on. What is driving people’s decisions this time around are the border and the economy – topics which DJT has in his corner due to his first term’s record.
Like you, some think it’s ok for Haley to stay in the race, despite her dismal performance, capturing dem money and voters to only boost losing numbers and few gains. However, there are other strategists who see her efforts as nearsighted, allowing her, for now, to stay in an unwinnable race against Trump, but otherwise tarnishing her reputation going forward.
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….Vic, RDS may not be a former president with name recognition. However, he was a much acclaimed governor, awash with money to spend, having no indictments or baggage to constantly be on display and haul around. I think the playing field was evened out by such pluses and minuses for each candidate.
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Jan – Haley is not financed by Dems and only Dems voting for her. That’s hyperbole. She has some dem money and some Dem support, but she also has a lot of mainstream republic. Support. Mainstream Republican support Trump needs in November.
if I were her I would have withdrawn and tried to position for VP or 2028. I don’t see what she gains by staying in BUT that doesn’t mean she doesn’t have the right to do what she thinks is best for her. Maybe she thinks she can I fluency the platform some at the convention by gaining some delegates.
she has that right. And she has the right to hurt herself in 2028.
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anonymous sure sounds like Robbie or some other weak knees never trumper, who will cost the election in November because a moderate Republican won’t get the nomination
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At the start of “Putin’s War” President Zelenskyy stressed lives over land. A direct quote of his was: “Our land is important, yes, but ultimately it’s just territory. Victory is being able to save as many lives as possible.”
With that premise in mind, Zelenskyy and his top military commander, Zaluzhny, were initially on the same page. However, as the war extended itself Zelenskyy’s attitude changed, now placing the retrieval of land over the lives of his people.
Consequently there has been a radical change in the military hierarchy, their goals, and what future monies will be spent on —-> meat-grinding up more lives at the front lines even if only minuscule amounts of land is recovered.
“But actions speak louder than words. Zelensky began to define victory as the reclamation, not only of land lost during the war, but of Crimea and all of Ukraine’s pre-2014 territory. Zelensky insisted that Ukraine stay on the offensive. He insisted on moving forward, “Whether it’s by a kilometer or 500 meters, but forward every day.”
Zaluzhny saw Zelensky’s strategy of fighting for Bakhmut and Avdiivka at any cost as a strategic disaster that was costing Ukraine too much in weapons and in lives. Zaluzhny argued for preserving lives over forfeitable territory, lest Ukraine lose its land and its army.
In General Oleksandr Syrsky, Zelensky found the commander who would execute his vision and carry out his orders. Syrsky fought the Battle of Bakhmut. His performance there, and in other battles, gave him the reputation of a commander who is willing to give orders that lead to little real gain and lots of real loss of life. “Some soldiers say his orders are unreasonable, at times sending men to their obvious deaths,” The Washington Post reports.
According to The Economist, he “has a reputation for being willing to engage the enemy, even if the cost in men and machines is high.” His reported willingness to put “his men in danger to reach his military goals” has earned him the nicknames “Butcher” and General 200, 200 being the code for a soldier’s corpse. Syrsky is also seen as being a commander who is close to Zelensky and who will not question his orders.”
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You’re right, Vic. Haley has the right to stay in the race, as well as the right to hurt herself in future races. However, is that an example of “wisdom?”
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/02/25/exclusive-nathan-wade-led-fani-willis-2020-transition-into-office/
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Yes, she has the “right” to stay in.
it’s also pennies on the dollar.
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The only “weak knees” Never Trumpers are those who bent theirs to submit to him. Others understand what the word Never means.
Those of you who have submitted to Trump are on the same team as bunu, janzam, and Tina. In fact, the three of them know they own you in your weakness, and you all deserve to lose together.
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Syrsky is also seen as being a commander who is close to Zelensky and who will not question his orders.”
Sounds good to me!
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Anonymous could also be the Biden Troll.
Amoral Scumbag usually posts as “Robbie”.
The Biden Troll voted for Biden’s agenda, every inch of it.
He once said here that “abortion was the most important issue”, but he voted for the party that favors abortion up to delivery and even killing the baby afterwards.
Yet he talks about those who changed their minds about Trump.
Yes, I changed my mind. He was a good President, contrary to my prediction.
Deal with it.
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The primary objective of the Ukrainians SHOULD be to recover the land occupied by the Russians.
I know this goes contrary to someone like Janzam the Putin Lapdog who wants the Russians to win.
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I would have Jesus pitch as the closer. His saves total would be amazing.
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The Republican Party, or what used to make up the Republican Party is incredibly divided because of Trump”
Zzzzzzz…. or maybe it is because of the Never Trumpers and TDS morons?
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I would play Jesus at Linebacker. Defense, baby. “And Jesus with another sack of Satan!”
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Zzzzzzzzzz Trump can’t be the “Official GOP nominee” until the convention. That has nothing to do with Haley.
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lso, Bitter chastises Trump for giving to Dems over 12 years ago”
LOL
Trump was running for President in 2015, while funding Chuck Schumer as late as 2012.
Trump is not and never was a conservative, contrary to Nikki Haley who has always and is still a conservative.
She has also ALWAYS been a Republican, contrary to Trump who rented the R out as a convenience in the last 5 minutes of his political life.
And anybody who thinks Trump would return a donation from a Democrat is living in lala land.
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Bitter – imagine the trumpets when he would come in to save the game 😉
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Jesus is a Paulbot?
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So Jan admits she will help Biden get elected. Damn. Not exactly the conservative, is she?
Jan hates “Dem donors” funding a conservative Republican but had no issue with Dem Donor Donald Trump funding hard-core leftists for decades.
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“In fact, the three of them know they own you in your weakness, and you all deserve to lose together”
Maybe. You play the cards you are dealt.
My candidate was the Golden Calf. I still think he is by far the best candidate and it is a tragedy he was not nominated. Even though I wouldn’t vote for Haley because I cannot forgive her for her terminal pandering syndrome, I think she is a better candidate for GE than Trump.
I don’t disagree that Trump has weaknesses in the GE that could well doom his candidacy. He is doing nothing to unite the party although his statement on IVF was excellent.
But I will vote for him considering the alternative.
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Zzzzzzzzzz Haley is a conservative. Trump never was.
Trump did not “become a Republican.” He used the GOP to run for President because Hillary blocked his path to the Dem Nomination.
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Trump’s polling numbers increased because he is really running against 3-4 people in 2024, not like 16 in 2016.
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Zzzzzzzzzz There would be no issue of territory vs lives if Putin did not order the invasion of Ukraine.
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A major difference between Jan and myself is that I think Trump is an amoral scumbag Democrat at heart but still will vote for him as the GOP nominee. Jan already said if Haley is the nominee, she will sit home and let Biden win. Who is the real conservative here? Me. I will never let a Democrat win without having to deal with my vote.
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I explained that my support for Haley is only based on her knowing that military aid to Ukraine is in the vital strategic interest of the US and she tells Trump to F off. Jan supports Democrat billionaire Trump because he is her Braveheart.
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…..it’s like throwing chum into the water!
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Why would they throw that young lazy guy Chum (from that TV show about the pawn shop) in the water?
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Senate Minority Whip John Thune (R-SD), the second-highest-ranking GOP member in the Upper Chamber, announced on Sunday that he is endorsing Trump for 2024. In a statement, he said:
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Zelinksky has now amassed a fortune of almost 1 billion dollars from all this money laundering.
He’d fit right in among Bill Clinton who was worth less than a million but left office with 200 million and the Biden’s and the Obama’s.
https://x.com/RickyDoggin/status/1761887508139577655?s=20
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Look like the Koch Network is pulling the plug on Nikki the BLM Panderer.
That and the Thune endorsement might be the end.
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Zelinksky has now amassed a fortune of almost 1 billion dollars from all this money laundering.”
Zzzzzz…..
HHR’s mini Hitler can GFH.
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and she tells Trump to F off.”
Zzzzz….. Bitter says this about Fat F–k Christie too, although he was the first to waddle up to the stage when Trump got elected.
Nikki the Panderer has been kissing Trump’s ass for years, that is how she got her UN job and how she got invited to Mar El Lago to promise she would not run against Trump.
Never believe one word this serial pandering liar says.
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There is one thing Trump has going for him and it might not be such a small deal.
He is the least vulnerable R on abortion.
The Dems will tar the GOP with the “they want to ban abortion completely” meme, but it will be hard to stick that on Trump.
He has a record of being pro-choice when he was a Dem, and even as a R he has consistently defended exceptions for life of the mother, rape and incest and been critical of the more stringent state laws being passed.
So if there is a debate, he won’t be so defensive on abortion like any other GOP candidate would be.
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Jason, I would have to agree with you. Most people think that the exception for rape and incest is ok, considering the circumstance. In general, even those of us who are pro-life, do understand that exception.
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Zzzzzzzzzzz
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She condemned BLM violence. I thought Jason was done with this.
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Speaking of don’t believe a word somebody says…Trump on abortion.
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Many Americans think it was a good thing that Roe vs Wade was overturned. However, those of us who are in the minority. The data and the recent election history shows that most Americans were quite upset at this decision and have been voting accordingly.
Trump is bragging that he is the one responsible for Roe v. Wade becoming overturned because of his Supreme Court nominations. So, it is preposterous to suggest he will not be associated with this issue, more than any other Republican possibly could be.
Perhaps he will look at polls and say that he has been pro-choice all along and wants to bring Roe v. Wade back (which is quite obviously what he truly believes). Less shocking things have happened. If he does, his cultists and apologists here and elsewhere will fall in line and adopt his position.
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Haley and DeSantis have the same position on abortion. They say they are Pro-Life, but that the issue should be left to the states and that they are not advocating a “national abortion ban.”
Trump is saying he wants a national abortion ban. It is the ultimate political pander since such a thing is literally impossible to ever come to a President’s desk considering you need 60 votes in the Senate for such a thing, but he is still saying this and many people, on both sides of the abortion divide, think he will sign a national abortion ban.
He has said he wants it at 16 weeks because he “likes round numbers” and that there would be exceptions for rape, and life of the mother. The exceptions should be considered an important part of the debate, but how many people stop listening as soon as you say “national abortion ban” and are not going to even any “credit” for providing for exceptions.
The idea that pro-choice voters are going to look at Trump and think “oh, he’s not so bad on this issue” is just ludicrous. By saying he wants a national abortion ban, they will be extra mobilized against him and that will be one of the preeminent issues of the general election campaign.
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Trump is pro life but not an absolutist about it. He goes along with having abortions in the case the of rape, incest, and saving a mother’s life. He was also critical of RDS’s legislation limiting abortion to 6 weeks as well, saying some women might not even know they are pregnant by 6 weeks. I think he is more in line with 12-16 weeks as the abortion limit line. As for me, I would never have an abortion, but that is a personal judgment aimed at me not other women.
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Did the Holocaust happen jan?
If you can bring yourself to say yes, I will not have a need to ask it again.
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Whether fair or unfair, anybody who is advocating a national abortion ban, as Trump is will be painted as an “absolutist.” Trump has so many other vulnerabilities, so that is not going to be helpful in a general election. Again, that is whether you consider the label fair or not.
He has spent months bragging about being the person responsible for the overturning of Roe v. Wade. In some ways, he might have a right to brag. It plays well with primary voters. However, he cannot have it both ways. By being the person most responsible for the overturn of Roe vs. Wade, he is going to be held responsible for everything that has come with it, including the states laws that have left no room for exceptions.
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11-16 weeks is pro choice. And kills babies. It’s evil.
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When is Gods name did 12-16 weeks not become a pro choice position? You people are wacko doodles. Oh yeah when Trump said so.
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He likes round numbers
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Trump was so pro-life he donated to Planned Parenthood for decades
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Trump will say something like, “I am pro-life. I believe in that very, very strongly, but we have to have exceptions. We need to have those beautiful exceptions like for rape, incest, or if having the baby would be like really, really tough for the woman. So, I would have those exceptions. Yes I would”
And his people will fall in line accordingly with that.
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He told Marla to abort Tiffany. She did not do so.
Who knows how many other abortions he insisted on or paid for? Once, when asked about it, he refused to answer, sort of like jan on her Holocaust denying.
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Who knows how many abortions he paid for.
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After Marla gave birth to Tiffany, Trump did marry her. First though, he had her sign a prenup. Part of that said that if Tiffany ever joined the Armed Forces up until age 21, he would cease all financial support of her.
That is what Donald Trump thinks of people who join the military.
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Why won’t anonymous name themselves. If you are strong enough to attack people, you should be strong enough to announce who you are.
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Patrick Kane for President
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Trump is a pragmatist and often talks about “common sense” being his guiding light in making decisions. His SCOTUS choices were all pro choice. He has spoken at many pro life events and marches. But, he also supports states to develop and enact their own policies on abortion, as he did with COVID guidance. He did give constructive criticism to DeSantis, saying his abortion stance was too rigid and would cost him support. Of course JeffP continues to wish the worst for someone like Trump because his candidate literally didn’t make first base, even though he had plenty of money and fanfare to do so.
BTW, I don’t respond to annoying, disingenuous anonymous posts or questions.
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*in Gods name did
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There is no option to “name” myself. It only allows me to post as Anonymous. This is how the site is set up.
If I were to “sign” my post, someone here will definitely steal the signature and pretend to be whatever I signed it as. That is the reality of the “lifeboat.”
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One of you legitimately named people should ask jan if she thinks the Holocaust was a myth. If this is not her belief, it will be very simple to clear up and it will not need to be asked again.
Based on the links she used to offer on the old HHR to outright Holocaust denial websites and frequent use there of anti-Semitic tropes regarding the “Rothschilds”and the “Bilderbergs” there and has been remarked upon more recently here, her talk about “globalists” and “merchants” and seething hatred for Zelensky, it seems to be a fair question. Just how similar to bunu is she?
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Pragmatists without a moral compass based in Gods natural law are destroying this country.
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Jan I don’t have a man crush for RDS. He is just a kick ass leader.
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I also think Patrick Kane may not be Pro-Life, at least not in his younger days. He had a good goal tonight though.
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ass-kicked leader might be more accurate.
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Good to see Jan back and I strongly disagree with her on Ukraine.
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“Trump is pro life but not an absolutist about it.”
Not absolute pro life?
Hmmmm
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If the woman really really thinks she wants to have one, then he will allow for the exception.
So, basically he is pro-choice, but will run on a national abortion ban. What sense does that make?
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JeffP, never said you had a man-crush on DeSantis. However, you are over the moon about his ability to be a leader.
A leader has to connect with and interact with people. Perspective voters have to believe in him, trust him in having attributes such as loyalty to a given contract with people, or someone who earlier had their back. DeSantis abandoned Florida right after he was re-elected to pursue higher office, and then snubbed the very person who helped him win his first Fl. governorship. He then described whatever alliance he didn’t want to have with DJT as a refusal to ”kiss his ring.” He also was aloof with many FL officials which were reasons many did not endorse him. I personally tried to listen to many of his earlier interviews but found him stiff and boring, much like Romney was perceived. Those personal affects are what he has to address and work on should he ever try to run again in 2028.
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Glad you’re back. Hope your hubby is healing up.
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I have more respect for Riley Gaines but Jan I will vote for Trump is he makes it that far.
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*if … typos galore using my phone in Nashville visiting my youngest daughter in college. Great city.
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IDK anyone see the video interview of Zelenskyy on NBC? I worked 12 years with drug addicts and he looked and acted stoned to me
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Its common knowledge that Z is a coke fiend. Doesn’t change the fact that we should be funding their defense against the Russian invasion.
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NBC interview? It does not appear that he has been interviewed by NBC since last November. No such interview was on Meet the Press today. Did it take place on one of his yachts?
I did see his interview this week with Bret Baier on Fox News and he seemed perfectly fine. He has a tough job of course that is being made much harder because of the political calculations of those in the U.S. House who are submissive to Donald Trump.
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No, this is not common knowledge that “Z is a coke fiend.”
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If you Google “Zelensky and cocaine” there is information about an altered video in which in an old interview he admits he enjoys coffee and that it gives him energy and somehow in this video, coffee got changed to cocaine.
Why do some people in America fall for Putin’s dirty tricks so easily?
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Expected better of you Jeff and Vic. Stop trying to rizz up jan and Tina with the Zelensky conspiracies.
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Ok, I do see that a Zelensky interview aired on MSNBC tonight. He seems like maybe he is not getting a lot of sleep and of course he also has an accent and English is not his first language.
This nonsense about Zelensky being on drugs is straight out of Putin’s propaganda campaign. Be better.
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I think Trump will be hard to Dems to attack on abortion.
His position is probably close to mine, he probably thinks it should be legal l5-20 weeks.
But whatever he thinks, he has been consistent on the exceptions and on his criticism of the “heart beat” bills.
Trump is not a social conservative, never was. You can bet he is a liberal on most “social” issues.
It is actually one of the things he has going for him.
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Anonymous, I don’t know who you are from the old site, but as most here know I had business in the Ukraine for a long time and have many friends and ex employees there. I will reiterate, that it’s common knowledge. Remember, he used to be an actor, and that is common in those circles.
I do not ascribe to the theory that he is some sort of God for the defense of the Ukraine and because during his time as President Trump was impeached, nor do I ascribe to this theory that he’s a thief, getting rich off the war.
I support continued funding for the Ukraine to push back against the Russians by supplying military equipment that they need.
Sorry if that doesn’t “jibe” with your view of him.
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Zelensky is not a “coke fiend.” You are being ridiculous. It is literally straight out of Putin’s playbook and you fell for it. Even janzam and bunu have never made this allegation. Thanks to you, perhaps they will now.
If anything he comes across as tired in this MSNBC interview that JeffP found very suspicious. “Coke fiends” do not typically come across as tired.
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“Remember, he used to be an actor, and that is common in those circles.”
Now, you are pulling a Kitty Kelly talking about Reagan’s supposed drug problem. Be better.
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I am pro choice if believing abortion should be legal up to 20 weeks is pro-choice.
But I wanted Roe vs Wade to be overturned because I don’t believe there is.a constitutional right to abortion.
I think letting it up to the states is ok although I would prefer a consensus of 15 weeks as the law of the land.
I think Trump would be ok with that.
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LOL I love how liberals use the “Putin” label whenever you are lock step with their view of the Ukraine, because they worship it due to the role in impeaching Trump.
Your anonymous act wears thin. I can support aid to the Ukraine without this undying exaltation of Z. The continuation of military aid is paramount to protecting the people of the ukraine, who are suffering because of the invasion.
The irony is that the liberals/never trumpers didn’t say a word when Obama allowed Putin to take the Crimea. I don’t recall them calling Obama a Putin puppet when he (and the dem reporter helping him) told Romney that Russia was not a threat and that the cold war was over. hmmmmmmm
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I think the coke story on Zelensky is utter BS and I am sorry to see Victr trying to sell this garbage here.
Typical Putin propaganda.
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And I am entirely in favor in the “exaltation” of Zelensky. He is a truly admirable man and deserves it.
The Zelensky haters just can’t deal with the fact that he has managed to keep their Putin hero from conquering Ukraine.
So that last resort of the intellectually dishonest is to call him a “grifter” or a “cokehead”.
Absolute drivel
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Jason. Abortion at 20 weeks is a pro-choice position. You are entitled to that.
I am glad that they overturned Roe v Wade because there is no constitutional right to abortion, and it should be up to the states where it belongs. Liberals will be all for abortion to delivery in CA, NY, IL, etc…that is their right if they vote for it. I think its heinous. Conservative states will ban it, and if that is what the citizens of the state vote for, that is their right.
I do, however, disagree with the most ardent pro-lifers in that I agree there should be exception for rape. I don’t think a woman should have to endure that nightmare.
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that it’s common knowledge”
No, it isn’t “common knowledge”.
I don’t know who your lying “friends” are in the Ukraine, but they are certainly not patriots. Maybe they should go live in Russia, after all we know Putin doesn’t take drugs and is not corrupt.
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Ok, Jason, I will have to agree with you. I have never seen him use it, so I can not say that he is, and I shouldn’t have.
Fair enough. I retract my statement.
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Jason. Abortion at 20 weeks is a pro-choice position. You are entitled to that.”
Thanks.
I can live with 15 weeks. So can most Americans.
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To be honest, I shouldn’t have made the statement, because it absolutely not germane to the issue, which is, that we should be supporting the Ukraine and its people as they fight against the Russian invasion.
I regret saying it, because it added nothing to discourse on the site. I am big enough to admit to being wrong.
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Paris shopping sprees/secret Nazi/three yachts/coke fiend
What will the Paulistas think of next?
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On Abortion, I think you will have states where you can get one when you want, and states where they believe life begins at conception and won’t allow it. I can live with that. I don’t think there will be a federal ban on abortion at 15 weeks, and I think we, as the GOP should avoid proposing that. We wanted it back to the states, its back at the states. Its legal where people want it legal, its illegal where people want it illegal.
We need to move on and talk about other issues, so I do agree with you, Trump is better positioned this fall to talk about it than some other candidates.
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Fair enough. We can move on.
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VictrC is not a Paulbot, he was big enough to admit he was wrong, rare at HHR.
So let’s leave it at that.
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“Post what you want. No free lunch. Both can be true.”
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Don’t expect a free lunch, especially from a never trumper, who is just as bad as a Trump apologist.
I do remember the “no free lunch” phrase, but I just can’t place who you are. Regardless, glad to hear alternative voices. No echo chamber here, and thick enough skin to take criticism when warranted. It is what I have liked about being here for 20+ years, and what makes this site great again 😉
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