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402 responses to “Debate Night Open Thread!”
Nobody under 5 percent should be on that stage.
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The whole point of this to say people had “other choices” once they take Trump’s name of the ballot in selected states, and DeSantis is the one who is most guilty of corroborating with demented Joe.
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Ok. Today is Tuesday. The debate is tomorrow. In my defense, I am taking my daughter back to school on Friday so I’m my mind I am a day off. GFY.
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It’s Wednesday already some place.
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Just listened to the Col Douglas Macgregor interview dealing with the Ukraine/Russian War, and the U.S.’s part in it. His analysis, facts, and general understanding of warfare is like a master class. It’s well worth the listen, especially for those who unequivocally support this war indefinitely. If nothing else people can hear what he says, and then reasonably refute his stats or claims of truth to neocon power, being at least open-minded enough to hear what a knowledgeable man of the military has to offer.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/08/22/tucker-carlson-interviews-col-douglas-macgregor-on-ukraine-russia-war/
FWIW, Carlson has very little input in this interview. It’s all Macgregor for almost an hour of air time.
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I wonder how much land he wants Ukraine to give to Putin. Jan would not post it unless it called for Ukraine’s surrender.
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https://tass.com/world/1560505/amp
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TASS quotes Macgregor favorably.
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Bitter he really doesn’t say what he wants Ukraine to give up, only cites the broader scope of the war, giving numbers of the dead in Ukraine, the number of children missing since the war started, the old equip we are sending over to Ukraine, the air surveillance that can locate and destroy this equip and much more. But, all you want to do is sit back and snipe at anything or anyone who doesn’t go along with 100% of your “all in” zeal no matter how many people are killed.
Tina, I didn’t see your posting of this interview on the last thread. I agree this man should occupy a place in a new administration.
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You know all of the missing UKRAINIAN children were either killed or kidnapped by Russians, right?
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Macgregor has been a frequent guest on RT. He’s been regurgitating Russian talking points on Ukraine, NATO and Kosovo since 2013.
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Bitter, I placed this comment about MacGregor near the end of the the last thread:
“MacGregor is a total joke. He is a Putin toadie who just spouts stupidity. Here some of his most most ridiculous predictions:
“2-27-22 Macgregor said Ukrainians have 24 hours to surrender because the “game is over”
3-5-22 he predicted the war would be over within 10 days
9-12-22 he said Ukrainians are “desperate” and “war may be over soon”
Starting to think he might not know what he’s talking about… ”
Putin’s trolls have been out in force recently, and that is probably a good sign. Netherlands and Denmark are giving Ukraine F-16 fighter jets; pilots are being trained. The rumblings are some experienced pilots have volunteered from foreign countries”
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The irony is despite what Putin propagandists say, Russian military bloggers are admitting Ukraine is gaining ground through Russian defenses.
From Institute for Study of War:
“A Kremlin-affiliated milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces captured some positions in a part of the Russian forward defensive lines after intensifying attacks on the Robotyne-Verbove (21km southeast of Orikhiv) line. Some Russian sources reported that Russian forces retreated from some positions near Verbove as part of their elastic defense, likely in response to a Ukrainian advance south of Mala Tokmachka. ISW previously assessed that Ukrainian attacks on Robotyne are tactically significant because a Ukrainian advance in the area may allow Ukrainian forces to begin operating past the densest Russian minefields. Ukrainian advances across fields in this area likely confirm this assessment. Persistent Ukrainian advances in the Robotyne area also likely aim to degrade Russian forces that have committed significant effort, resources, and personnel to hold positions around Robotyne”
Meanwhile Moscow is continually being hit by Ukrainian drones, and the Kersh Bridge was closed again, likely because of Ukrainian drone attacks.
By contrast, there has been not been any major advances by the Russians anywhere in Ukraine recently.
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This has become almost a nightly occurrence:
“💥 Russia: More drone strikes on Moscow’s “Moskva City” elite business/government district tonight.”
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To all,
If Trump is NOT the R nominee for Rs in GE, who here will not vote for the R candidate against Biden?
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If Trump IS the R nominee who here will not vote for Trump in GE?
1. Walt (probably will not vote for Trump, but will write someone else in and NEVER will vote for Biden of whoever is the D nominee)
2. Cash Cow (will write in Elsie, the Borden Cow)
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Walt will vote for whoever is the R nominee in GE, unless it is Trump.
In WV, Walt’s vote again won’t matter as Trump will win WV easily.
If it came down to Walt’s vote being the difference between Trump or Biden winning in the GE, Walt will vote for Trump and then take a long shower.
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3. San Diego Citizen. Will not vote for Trump or Biden.
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If Trump is NOT the R nominee for Rs in GE, who here will not vote for the R candidate against Biden?”
Me.
I will not vote for Fat F–k Christie, “You have to feel my pain Haley”, “WTF am I doing here Vivek” or Dem Troll Asa. If any of them are nominated, I will do what I said I would do in 2016 and vote for Daffy Duck (I couldn’t figure out how to write in Daffy so I ended up leaving it blank, but I will research it this time. It would help if we had those handy dandy voting machines like in Radnor with the “against Biden” feature).
In addition to Trump, I will vote for the Golden Calf, Pence (reluctantly), Scott, Burgum, or Suarez, even Larry Elder. The others in the race I don’t recognize so I can’t say whether I would vote for them or not.
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Oh, Hurd. That’s a no too. He and Asa are actually vying for MSNBC contributor.
May the best man win.
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“@EHunterChristie
Ukraine is the only European country to have stopped a Russian invasion in its tracks since the Second World War.
So, indeed, humility is in order on the part of certain faceless sources in Washington and elsewhere.”
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I am supporting the true anti-establishment candidate not the faux one.
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Will not vote for Trump, Biden, DeSantis, Kennedy, Johnson, Ramaswamy, Willamson. or West.. (Cornel or Kanye)
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Trump is never going to have an administration for Mac to be in. Jeez Louise. The denial is staggering.
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Tomi Lahren “Really hard for me to buy the man who served his country in the United States military, has been a faithful husband and loving father to three, a leader in Congress, and a phenomenal governor who has: fought COVID tyranny and mandates, taken on woke Disney, taken on and defeated CRT and LGBTQ grooming in schools, signed a heart beat bill, bused illegals to blue cities, fired activist DAs, supported and funded law enforcement and won his state by nearly 20 points (including a historic win in Miami-Dade) is somehow a RINO because he choose to run against Trump. Sorry, not buying that load of dog crap. Try again.”
Preach sister.
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Actually Mac served already… On November 11, 2020, a Pentagon spokesperson announced that Macgregor had been hired to serve as Senior Advisor to the Acting Secretary of Defense, a post he held for less than three months.
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Vivek Ramaswamy passes Biden’s manchurian candidate (DeSantis) in betting markets.
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7053/Who-will-win-the-2024-Republican-presidential-nomination
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🇺🇲 2024 Presidential Election Poll
(D) Biden: 47% [=]
(R) Trump: 41% [-2]
[Change vs July]
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5% of R’s would vote for Biden
2% of Dems would vote for Trump
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⦿ Yahoo/YouGov (B+) | 1,113 RV
⦿ 08/17-21 | D33/R27/I40 | ±2.8%
scribd.com/document/66663…
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JUST ANNOUNCED: Lindsey Graham will be at the Fox Debate supporting Team Trump… LOL!!
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This poll is usually crap but the trend lines are going down for DJT.
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Vivek is the Soros backed candidate.
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“@randymot4
Is it a coincidence that Colonel MacGregor on the Carlson podcast used exactly the same bogus casualty figures as the Russian Ministry of Defense?
Could be be significant that Colonel MacGregor is a regular on Russian TV where he repeats the same narratives that they are given by the Kremlin?
Occam’s Razor: Colonel MacGregor has found a way to profit by repeating Russian propaganda, which is painfully obvious since he predicted the ultimate collapse of Ukrainian forces monthly over the last 18 months. The only one will that much error factor is the Kremlin. 😀😀😀
But seriously, why if you mistrust US media, would you trust the media of a totalitarian police state that has been involved with every effort ot undermine our country since 1945?
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“I didn’t destroy the USSR just so you could lick their boot and call yourself conservative
Ronald Reagan”
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Who won the debate?
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August 23, 2023 at 12:17 am
Will not vote for Trump, Biden, DeSantis, Kennedy, Johnson, Ramaswamy, Willamson. or West.. (Cornel or Kanye)”
Sorry, nobody asked the trolls anything.
GFY.
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SanDiego Citizen, Bitterlaw & Jason, The pro war nonsense you guy spew on this blog is sickening. I’m curious: How many more deaths are you willing to accept in order for the corrupt Zelensky money siphoning machine to remain in tack? Another 500K? a million?? How many young Americans are you willing to sacrifice? How about your own children, nieces or nephews? That’s where we are headed if the madness never ends.
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Zzzzzzzzzz I wish the war ended immediately with all Russian troops withdrawn to pre-invasion borders. Until that happens, we should support Ukraine. The question of whether I am willing to sacrifice family members there is also a zzzzzzzzzz. No parent would ever be willing for their child to die in any war going back through history. Was the death of any soldier “worth” Independence from England, saving the Union, defeating Hitler……? Not to their family and those to them. The hypocrisy of those claiming to care about ending the killing in Ukraine is that they they think that Ukraine and Russia are responsible. Only Russia is responsible.
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Trump is a genius. His PR moves fire up his base but hurts him in a general.
Instead of debating and defending his AWESOME record and share his vision for the future when elected. He wimps out and does a softball taped interview with Tucker that normies won’t watch.
Instead of quietly turning himself in Fulton County early in the morning or late evening to limit live media coverage. He wants to make it a show to fire up his base and the MSM will take the hours of coverage in prime time to repeat their Trump indictments narrative when their ratings are their highest.
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Lucas Tomlinson
@LucasFoxNews
Virginia’s Lt. Gov. says on Fox & friends “It wouldn’t surprise me” if Youngkin entered GOP presidential race
– It’s important to remember governors and Lt. governors don’t run as a ticket in Virginia so I doubt Youngkin and Sears are necessarily sharing strategy with each other. This strikes me as just her opinion rather than a hint about any inside information.
That said, I continue to find it interesting that Youngkin has not explicitly shot down the growing rumors he may jump into the race. He’s had plenty of opportunities to do so, but he hasn’t, at least not yet.
The most likely interpretation is he just wants the attention and money this has generated to help him with the statehouse elections. This “smells” a lot like the Christie boomlet of September 2011.
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MacGregor is a pro-Putin shill and you know that.
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I will not vote if Trump’s the nominee.
I will vote for DeSantis, Haley, Scott, Pence, or Christie.
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I won’t be able to watch the debate, but I think it’s going to be pretty close to a make-or-break moment for DeSantis. He’s been sliding in the polls, his solid second place position nationally may be fading, and he’s almost certainly going to get the brunt of attacks from the other participants. This could be his first and last chance to make a good first impression on voters who’ve never really seen him up close and personal.
DeSantis’ task is to both show he can fend off attacks from the other debaters without looking peevish and also show the wide swath of voters to the left of Trump and his MAGA base that he’s acceptable. It’s definitely doable. He’s been practicing for the debate for a while with a good debate coach so this could be his campaign pivot point.
If it doesn’t go well, then he could become Rick Perry circa October 2011 and the rumors about Youngkin will only get louder.
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Disgraceful. I told you that Trump and MSM are in bed together. I am voting for the TRUE anti establishment candidate not the faux one. You Trump supporters are about as naive as can be.
This is in Politico Playbook this morning. Trump campaign meeting with corporate media who hates us all, but they’re conspiring together to destroy @RonDeSantis. The same media that tried to impeach Trump and is trying to put him in prison now, nevertheless toasting his campaign. All the same people the Trump campaign is schmoozing now will of course go all in to defeat him in the general.
From a Little Birdie who was there at the same restaurant and witnessed it firsthand:
“Not a single conservative media outlet was there. All corporate and left-wing media. On the one hand, it is noteworthy the Trump campaign felt the need to travel the length of the country for a debate their candidate supposedly doesn’t think is worth his time. But to actually see these two supposed mortal enemies yucking it up, to see the liberal media completely in bed with the Trump campaign like that, it was surreal.”
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It’s hasn’t been a coincidence that RDS hit MSM pieces get posted on this blog by the usual suspects that align with Trump talking points. I have pointed that out on multiple occasions.
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https://x.com/stevedeaceshow/status/1694323532090515763?s=61&t=uLyKpWBwDwyCK292uUHCSA
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Imagine if Trump suddenly had a heart attack and then Youngkin entered the race and became the party nominee. Democrats would sh*t all over themselves. They’d suddenly have GE problems whereas they have none now. Boy, would that f*ck up their plans.
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What rhetorical nonsense. There are no American troops in Ukraine, and are no plans for them to go there. There are hundreds of American volunteers who are now in the Ukraine fighting — one of my best friends is there right now. But you blather generic comments from the Vietnam era about Americans dying in Ukraine. How many Americans have died in the fighting so far?
There are also financial safeguards that provide for supervision of where the funding goes. Most of what is being given Ukraine is military equipment, the use of which is being monitored. NATO is closely involved with planning logistics and strategy with the Ukraine military — it knows what equipment is where.
You seem to be reading off some generic Vietnam era anti-war script. Were you clutching your love beads while posting? Your comments have no relation to the current situation. The war could end easily by the Russians withdrawing. You failed to mention this fact? Why? Are you saying Russia has a right to occupy Ukraine, and no aid should be provided?
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I know this. If something happened to Trump Democrats would immediately move to remove Joe. The only reason they haven’t up to now is because they are counting on a Trump nomination to save him in the general.
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Yep. Trump as I have said is controlled opposition. It’s been that way for three election cycles. If Democrats can take out RDS using Trump and MSM along the way all the better.
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Never back down has been suspended by Twitter. Nbd blames trump. Lol. A continuation of how to wreck a candidate
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Of course. Indict the hell out of Trump making it more and more probable that he fires up the Republican base and gets nominated while at the same time making it less and less possible for him to win the general election.
Full throttle off the cliff Thelma and Louise.
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“Russians flood ferries to protect the illegal Kerch Bridge 🌉
According to the GUR data, Russians plan to sink at least six ferries in order to create a protective lane in front of the Kerch Bridge. 👀 The Russians intend to install barrier barriers between the sunken ferries.”
Putin’s brilliance at work. The Russians sink their ferries. The Ukrainians blow up the bridge. And the Russians, having sunk their ferries, has no alternate way to move people across the waterway.
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All the Trump supporters cheering on the MSM talking points while the campaign works in coordination with the MSM is a sight to behold. They are so blinded in their cult brainwashed minds they are clueless. It’s political Stockholm syndrome.
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The DR Selzer IA poll saw Trumps number jump in their polling day off and after Fulton indictments.
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*day of
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Trump will lose to a dead corpse. Great.
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“Full throttle off the cliff Thelma and Louise.” Great Movie analogy. 😂 it makes me laugh…therapeutic is a way.
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“@randymot4
This would be behind the Russian lines, illustrating again what has even been acknowledged on Russia state TV: Ukraine drones can go anywhere now.”
“A Ukrainian drone drops an M67 hand grenade on a Russian field ammunition stockpile.”
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….and then there is the Weekend at Bernie’s movie analogy with good ol Joe. Imagine Trump losing to a Bernie like corpse. Lovely.
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If Youngkin somehow became the nominee, Republicans would win the popular vote, win the electoral college by its largest margin since 1988, gain seats in the House, and win control of the Senate with a seat or two to spare. Additionally, a Youngkin win would diminish the power of the extreme right like the Freedom Caucus, the Steve Bannon crowd, and the grifters in conservative media. In short, we’d get back to place where we were on election night 2014.
I’ll keep my fingers crossed a miracle can happen, but do we deserve one?
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I’m convinced the only reason Biden is running again is he has no confidence in Kamala Harris. Had he chosen a more competent VP like Amy Klobuchar, I think he’d have already announced he wasn’t running. But Biden got caught up in the George Floyd fallout and cornered himself by saying he would only pick an African American VP.
You’re point remains. Biden needs Trump and Trump needs Biden.
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Your man Trump lost to Biden, a guy who has mashed potatoes for brains. He was a wreck of candidate and you want to do it again.
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Gameboy, a frank and well phrased comment. Ukraine has been one of the world’s most corrupt countries, paying bribes to Biden’s family, having bio labs, supporting rich oligarchs who have contributed little or nothing to the cause, taking gobs of money (mostly from the U.S.) with no auditing of where this money is going, or whose pockets it’s lining. The info coming out of Ukraine is dubious, at best. How many Ukrainians have really died, or women and children trafficked during Zelensky’s delusional war goals (Crimea being one of his feckless objectives)? However, Zelensky seems just fine with every battle-age Ukrainian dying before he gives any thoughts to negotiating his way out of a mess wrecking havoc on his people.
I also question the objective reasoning of those here who think nothing of sacrificing this country’s well bring and the safety of our citizens for a regional war overseas. Any thoughts of engaging in a conflict with a country having the most nukes, because we are so busy playing a proxy war on behalf of it’s bordering country, does not appear to be of concern or raise any red flags. And then there are the many issues and problems literally ignored on our own home front – the East Palestine toxic spill, the illegal inundation of our border by foreigners, the Maui tragedy, homelessness, out-of-control debt, our dwindling armament inventory with China posing threats to Taiwan etc.. it’s called tunnel vision – focusing obsessively on one issue as everything else is in jeopardy of breaking down.
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I’m looking forward to seeing this evening’s debate numbers. I think people will initially tune in, out of curiosity more than anything else – except for JeffP, who will be watching intently and rooting for RDS. But, soon they will tune out as disinterest sets in.
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There is no evidence of these mythical biolabs. This is a lie told by Janzam, RFK jr and others. Not sure why thy are so fond of this lie.
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Children were trafficked by Russia. The sooner we can get Russia out of there, we can put an end to the trafficking of children. Janzam doesn’t care about the children being trafficked.
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https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2023/08/23/npr-morning-consult-even-with-inflation-slowing-lowest-earners-falling-behind-less-financially-secure/
…..and yet we continue to pay for the pensions, wages of Ukrainians. IOW, the lower and middle class people in this country don’t matter, and can go to “H***”.
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Biden needs Trump and Trump needs Biden.
Yep
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It’s always a “lie” or conspiratorial until it’s not, and reality shows it’s true. BTW, those who traffic women and children do so in areas and countries that are ravaged by some crisis, like war. A break in civilized society invites deviance.
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Maybe so. But we already know that Russia is doing it. So you don’t care about children being trafficked by the nation of Russia.
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No evidence of biolabs creating weapons. None.
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Brian Riedl
@Brian_Riedl
The night before the first GOP presidential debate:
-The frontrunner is preparing to face 91 felony charges.
-The 2nd place guy is being mocked for a campaign memo announcing his (weak) strategy.
-The 3rd place guy is questioning whether 9/11 was an inside job.
Well done, GOP
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SanDiego Citizen, Bitterlaw & Jason, The pro war nonsense you guy spew on this blog is sickening. I’m curious: How many more deaths are you willing to accept in order for the corrupt Zelensky”
How many more deaths are you willing to support for your hero Putin?
If Zelensky is ‘corrupt”, what is Putin?
“Corrupt” is the talking point of the Putin toadies, lapdog, and sycophants.
They ignore it is Putin who invaded Ukraine, it is Putin killing, raping, exiling and displacing civilians. It is Putin bombing and shelling populated areas It is Putin’s troops that are occupying a sovereign nation. It is Putin destroying Ukraine’s economy and infrastructure.
But yeah, instead let’s talk about Zelensky’s “corruption’ so we can ignore Putin’s war crimes.
Gameboy is a Putin stooge and a clown.
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From Yahoo News:
What’s striking is not just that DeSantis has sunk to a new low on this question (down from 31%) or that Trump has ascended to a new high (up from 57%). It’s that Trump’s support is so much higher head-to-head against DeSantis — 8 points higher, to be exact — than it is against the full field, suggesting that many Republicans who are theoretically open to voting against Trump are not willing to do so if that specifically means voting for DeSantis.
Ultimately, it’s changing perceptions of DeSantis that account for this shift — not changing perceptions of Trump. Among potential Republican primary voters, the former president’s overall personal rating is now 75% favorable to 23% unfavorable, essentially matching last month’s result (76% favorable to 22% unfavorable). But over the same period, DeSantis’s favorable rating has fallen by 4 points (from 71% to 67%) while his unfavorable rating has jumped by five (from 17% to 22%).
Today, just 24% of potential GOP primary voters give DeSantis a “very favorable” rating. That’s down 10 points since July — and down by more than half (from 51%) since last summer.
Lots of pressure on RDS tonight to come out ahead in the debate. This will actually be a glimpse of how he acts under pressure, and will be a moment of growth if he does well.
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If Youngkin somehow became the nominee, Republicans would win the popular vote, win the electoral college by its largest margin since 1988, gain seats in the House, and win control of the Senate with a seat or two to spare. ”
Zzzzzz…. we heard the same thing about the Golden Calf from Amoral Scumbag.
Now the “flavor of the month” is Youngkin, who Amoral Scumbag would never vote for or actually support in a million years.
If Youngkin actually ran, Amoral Scumbag would immediately start finding fault with his campaign and then pivot to voting for the Dem like he always does.
The moral compass of a floating turd. Amoral Scumbag would sell his sister and mother into sexual bondage if somehow it was “bad for Trump” yet he pretends he has any moral standing to criticize Trump.
Trump, for all his faults, has 100 times the integrity of Amoral Scumbag.
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Without Trump, then vivek will dominate the debate stage
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But over the same period, DeSantis’s favorable rating has fallen by 4 points (from 71% to 67%) while his unfavorable rating has jumped by five (from 17% to 22%)”
That is still pretty good considering all the bogus attacks Trump has leveled against him.
Pretty encouraging actually.
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Yep
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Sasha Stone – a democrat turned Republican blog poster and journalist with an unusual perspective of tonight’s back-and-forth among the R candidates:
Predictions: The debate will help Democrats and not Republicans because the more divided the GOP voters are, the easier it is for them to win.
For the Democrats, this is the most fun they’ll have had in a year. They were the dogs that caught the car and now they’re bored out of their minds. They need a Gladiator-like spectacle to poke fun at people they believe are beneath them. I don’t know how much of it I’ll be able to take but I’ll do my best.
Participants: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina, former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, former Vice President Mike Pence, ex-New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum and former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson
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This seems very suspicious!
https://justthenews.com/world/europe/wagner-group-leader-yevgeny-prigozhin-killed-plane-crash-russia
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So are you suspicious of Putin and Russia being behind it or are you going to blame it on Ukraine?
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He was already a delusional, arrogant twerp back then. The looks on the faces of the students and faculty members watching him speak says it all.
I suppose he had to fulfill his ambition of running for President and getting a tv show out of it before he loses all his hair in a few years.
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No comments on the verified report in Politico Playbook this morning that Trump campaign meeting with corporate media who hates us all, and they’re conspiring together to destroy RDS?
Of course not.
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Trump is scrum, but you already knew that.
Maybe RDS should have stayed far away from him a long time ago. He should not be surprised.
You should consider finding another candidate.
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Why is it suspicious? People who Putin dislikes are falling out of windows, or otherwise dying, all the time.
The rumblings now are Prigozhin was expecting some Russian generals in Moscow to support him when his supporters reached Moscow. It did not happen, so he quickly agreed to a truce. At that point he was doomed.
Says a lot about what slime buckets Putin, and those who support him, are as human beings — including his U.S. trolls.
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If DeSantis is the nominee, I think Republicans would win the presidency, gain in the House, and win the Senate.
I think, however, Youngkin would be better positioned simply because he would be a far more attractive candidate for suburban voters (people you hate) than DeSantis.
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I’m pretty sure jan was hinting that Zelensky “the murderer” is behind what happened to the plane.
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@visegrad24
BREAKING:
Anti-aircraft shrapnel visible on the wreckage of Prigozhin’s plane.
Putin killed him
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If Ukrainians shot down the plane, they would be openly boasting about it.
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Maybe America shot down the plane? I’m just asking questions.
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👀⚡ “The bodies of Yevgeny Prigozhin and Dmitry Utkin identified”, — Tsargrad
That’s was quick. No need for dental records or DNA tests. Just confirm from Putin’s checklist.
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“⚡️⚡️⚡️Putin urgently left Kursk
What happened? 😏😏😏”
This has not been confirmed.
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“If I were Mr. Prigozhin, I would remain very concerned. NATO has an open doors policy, Russia has an open windows policy and he needs to be very focused on that.”
~ Secretary Antony Blinken
Blinken was right.
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Anti-aircraft shrapnel visible on the wreckage of Prigozhin’s plane.”
Seymour Hersh is on it. He said his impecable source assures him it was the Norwegian Air Force, and actually the same plane that destroyed the pipeline. Yes, of course the CIA, NSA, FBI, DHS, NFL, and NBA were involved in the planning and execution. He will have more news after he gets his diaper changed and can get his rotary phone to work again.
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“Russia’s Investigative Committee, a top law enforcement body, announced the opening of a case on the plane crash, on suspicion of a violation of air transport safety rules. It said investigators had been dispatched to the site of the crash.”
It crashed about 100 miles outside Moscow, after flying out of a Moscow airport.
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They were already considered dead. They just needed an “accident.”
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Says a lot about what slime buckets Putin, and those who support him, are as human beings — including his U.S. trolls.”
Janzam, JeffP, and Tina take a bow….
They will put out a joint statement here soon that this is just Pooty Poot being Pooty Poot, that lovable rascal doesn’t mean to do any harm, everyone goes overboard once in awhile, give him a break.
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You should consider finding another candidate.”
The Biden Troll has no such problem. His candidate will always be the Democrat.
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“⚡️In Belarus, in the area of the camp of PMC “Wagner” in the village of Tsel and in the Osipovichi district , there are currently severe interruptions in the operation of the mobile Internet allegedly
Wagner vows to retaliate if Prigozhin death is confirmed, which seems to be the case”
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“Official address of the movement “Wagner, Play”:
“There are rumours about the death of the head of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin. We directly say that we suspect the Kremlin officials led by Putin of an attempt to kill him!
If the information about Prigozhin’s death is confirmed, we will organize a second “March of Justice” on Moscow!
He’d better be alive, it’s in your own interests….””
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“@DarthPutinKGB
Prigozhin fell from the window of a falling plane. I wanted to make sure”
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“replying to @DarthPutinKGB
I know who I’m Putin my money on who did this”
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“replying to @DarthPutinKGB
“In soviet Russia, if you fall out of a plane window, the plane will follow you comrade.”
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BREAKING:
“The Belarusian authorities have cut off the internet in the area of the main Wagner Group camp in the Tale Village in Belarus.
Looks like Putin and Lukashenko are trying to stop the Wagner Group from communicating with each other and coordinating a quick response.”
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Trump plus 5 over demented dictator post fake indictment
Trunp claimed the support of 43% of registered voters in the latest Premise poll, compared to Biden’s 38%. The survey further shows that Biden would beat Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, 37% to 34%.
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Here is McGregor swooning over Putin:
“The agenda is to destroy Russia. Why?
Globalists want to replace Putin because he presides over the last major power in Europe that has a national identity, a national language, a national culture that rests on the foundation of orthodox Christianity.”
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Suicide. He had his plane flown right into a missile.
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Zzzzzz…. its an evil destructive expansionist illegal immoral autocratic dictatorship, fixed it for Putin stooge McGregor. Has McGregor registered as a foreign agent yet? If not, throw him in jail.
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Since Putin is so religious, he should only be pushing people out of stained-glass windows.
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The Heritage Foundation, which used to be a reference for conservative thought, has now embarked on the self defeating nonsense that the US cannot both aid the Maui fire victims AND oppose Russian aggression in Ukraine. While Amoral Scumbag is still dreaming of the GOP’s dead cat bounce a decade ago, isolationism and protectionism and populism dominate today’s GOP, where a complete moron like Vivek has center stage in a GOP debate and the Heritage Foundation is running ads in support of Putin.
“Community note aside, this has long been the rallying call of the Left. Take money from defense and pump it into domestic spending. There is a profound policy error here as well, in that most of our aid to Ukraine is what D.C. dweebs call “drawdown authority.” It’s a “color of money” term that means, in English, the overseas transfer of existing bombs, bullets, missiles, and tanks that are otherwise collecting dust on the shelves of American armories. In short, unloading old kit that was purchased years ago.
Heritage will take this sentiment a step further with a paid ad ahead of tonight’s debate on the Ruthless Podcast. (Aside: This is an entertaining gem of a program that you should subscribe to posthaste.) The short commercial is something of a non-sequitur, comparing an apple (the mundane transfer of old military equipment to Ukraine) to an orange (the government’s disastrous response to the Maui fires).
But beyond that logical pretzel, it is a profound example of acting against your own stated interest. A defeated Russian army enables the American military pivot to China that Heritage seeks. That is an impossible outcome if we have an empowered Russian army, fresh off a vanquish of Ukraine, squatting along a newly drawn border with Romania, Hungary, Slovakia, and Poland. That’s a recipe for a greater, not smaller, U.S. military presence in Europe.”
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That is one of the reasons Flynn got criminally convicted. He receiving secret payments from Putin.
Yet there are clowns on this board who think he should be the vice president candidate with Trump. Born stupid or does it take daily practice.
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This is why Trump is colluding with the MSM and Woke Commie Dems…
IPSOS/WP POLL: Share of GOP primary voters who are considering voting for each candidate (4,471 LV)
Trump: 65%
DeSantis: 52%
Pence: 27%
Scott: 25%
Haley: 25%
Ramaswamy: 23%
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Net Favs
Trump: +33
DeSantis: +33
Scott: +26
Ramaswamy: +20
Christie: -28
projects.fivethirtyeight.com/republican-deb…
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For any former President or incumbent these are crap numbers for Trump.
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The above was copied and pasted, without attribution, to a piece that appeared in National Review, which was written by John Noonan. Mr. Noonan was Jeb Bush’s National Security Advisor in the 2016 campaign and is vocally Never Trump
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Color me shocked that the day after Dana Bash met with Team Trump, that both are using the *exact* same talking points about the debate.
Trump is the establishment candidate you fools.
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👀👀
If #Prigozhin is confirmed dead, the #Kremlin will be taken.
~Wagner’s Telegram channels
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Hey Jan it’s too bad your establishment candidate wimped out and won’t be attending. That’s okay anther pu$$y….Lindsey will be coming to try and cover his a$$.
I am definitely rooting for true anti establishment candidate.
The Trump campaign are a bunch of disgusting people to coordinate with the MSM. The whole Trump campaign lost a ton of credibility today.
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Speculative but logical:
“@visegrad24
“It’s worth remembering that the U.S. State Department for the first time called on its citizens to immediately leave Belarus just 2 days ago.
The U.S. intelligence agencies might have picked up some chatter and knew that Wagner turmoil might take place in Belarus.”
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“@WarMonitor3
Prigozhin finally got some ammunition delivered.
Right to his plane actually”
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One of the implications for those who say we should negotiate with Putin:
@,marqowal
“How (can) one can call for negotiations with Putin when Prigo had negotiated his safety and got shot down 2 month after?”
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The plane was not shot down. It accidently fell out a window.
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plagiarism alert
August 23, 2023 at 4:47 pm
The above was copied and pasted, without attribution, to a piece that appeared in National Review, which was written by John Noonan. Mr. Noonan was Jeb Bush’s National Security Advisor in the 2016 campaign and is vocally Never Trump”
Hey moron, are you too stupid to see the article I posted was in quotes?
I guess the answer is yes.
I never pretended to have written it myself and I quoted it to illustrate how isolationist and protection even mainstream conservatives are.
There is nothing negative about John Noonan in what i wrote. Nada, zilch. In fact I think he is right or I wouldn’t have quoted him.
GFY.
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Interesting way to do a poll. I think it very good to know what percentage of voters might be willing to vote for a candidate:
+Don’t know if 65% of voters would consider voting for Trump is a good or bad number. Seems pretty good considering the controversy around him;
+52% would consider voting for DeSantis is a good number at this point in his campaign;
A problem I see for DeSantis now is he is way too bland. He does not stand out , and is not a good communicater. He has a good record as Florida governor, but it will not get him a lot of national traction without DeSantis becoming a more exciting speaker.
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You deliberately left out what you were quoting and from where and from whom because it exposes you as a hypocrite/fraud.
GFYL
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So wrong. What a sheot show.
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This on top of demented falling asleep at the Maui memorial. No wonder the Russians candidate is pushing new Covid mandates
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It’s likely all the hotels are full so there are limited options available.
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67% of Maui voted for Joe Biden over our Favorite President. What happened to them is their problem.
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Suddenly the people who spent years insisting Obama was not born in America now agree that Hawaii is one of the states.
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Based on clips I’ve seen Tuckers interview is a complete softball question event. Tucker is losing his street cred.
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I’ll let you know JeffP how softball Tucker’s questions really are, as I know you’re be busy applauding RDS.
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It’s a blue state! What did you expect? Maybe after the insensitivity shown Maui residents that will change.
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https://x.com/mirandadevine/status/1694390021954916671?s=61&t=uLyKpWBwDwyCK292uUHCSA
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Reality: Fell asleep after a bowl of choka chip.
I Don’t Know Enough to Answer. I’ve Been Working Out for the Last Hour and a Half” – Joe Biden on Plane Crash in Russia
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Maybe Wagner should switch sides and ally with Ukraine.
“@visegrad24
1h
BREAKING:
Wagner soldiers in Belarus release a statement:
“There’s a lot of talk right now about what the Wagner Group will do. We can tell you one thing. We are getting started, get ready for us.”
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Trump and his team lost so much credibility today with the conservative movement. He / they will never be trusted again.
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I am sure my 13 and 14 year old pitchers throw harder than Tucker’s questions.
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“@Gerashchenko
If Prigozhin’s death is confirmed, the Kremlin will be captured – Telegram channels close to Wagner PMC claim.
In three days, we presume?”
I know there are posters on this board who swoon over Putin, but the Russians I talk to don’t seem to be serious impressed (although they will not state expressly state opposition). If Wagner stages a rebellion, will others join in? Wagner forces were cheered in the cities they passed through last June.
If Putin is forced to flee, maybe Trump can give him a job as a bellhop at one of his hotels.
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Tucker QA
A preview of Tucker’s Trump interview:
“Do you think Epstein killed himself?”
“Whatever happened to Mike Pence?”
“Do you think we’re moving toward Civil War?”
“Are you worried that they are going to try to kill you?”
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How about… why did you take your son Eric at 11 years on a plane trip with Epstein?
Or how close were you to Epstein when Maxwell introduced you to Melania?
Or about how….you weren’t into tweens but full figured woman so why did you hang out together at parties in NY so much for all those years?
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Those questions are slimy having nothing to do with politics or one’s personal opinions. They are simply a trove of lurid gossipy trivia and innuendo. You’ve really jumped the shark on being a reasonable person, becoming instead an embarrassing, moronic man!
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Even the cautious New York Times is starting report on Ukraine progress in the war:
“The New York Times notes that the Defence Forces of Ukraine have achieved “tactically significant” progress in the ongoing counteroffensive on two fronts.
Source: The New York Times, citing ISW analysts, Ukrainian officials and Russian military bloggers
Details: The publication says Ukrainian troops advanced 10-12 miles (16-19 km) along two main lines of attack in Kyiv’s quest to reach the southern coast and cut the Russians’ supply lines.
In the ground war, the Ukrainians are moving south on two main fronts: through the eastern village of Staromaiorske to Russian-occupied Berdiansk; and further west to Russian-occupied Melitopol. “
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“@randymot4
Leaked US criticism of Ukrainian tactics has been pushed back by several experts, who defend the Ukrainian battle plan, which is now making major progress.”
It never fails. When McGregor states Ukraine is losing, the Ukrainians make battlefield gains. He’s like a bad luck charm. McGregor better start avoiding windows.
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I am being sarcastic. But everyone of those questions is legit…Miss naive traitor candidate lover.
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The Ramaswamy clown is cringeworthy:
“@Marine_Ukraine
Jim: What is the essence of your platform?
Dude: Great question Jim. If I’m elected president I will make sure the bad guys get what they want. They should rest assured we are happy losing and we won’t interfere
Jim Acosta
@Acosta
Aug 18
During my interview with Ramaswamy, he reiterated his position that he would allow Putin to keep parts of Ukraine, block Ukraine from joining NATO and even visit Putin in Moscow. The GOP contender added: “Our goal should not be for Putin to lose.””
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If Christie tells Trump to F off, he jumps to number 1 on my primary vote list.
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What’s slimy is Trump working along with the MSM and the Woke Commie Dems. Supporting him is jumping the shark.
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LOL
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“@DarthPutinKGB
Prigozhin probably felt safe taking an aisle rather than a window seat”
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And so it begins…..
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Well…I am the only one in my family watching. The other 7 are committed to RDS and won’t bother.
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Crowd cheers for DeSantis’ answer. Jan hardest hit.
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Christie defends record as Governor in face of Dem controlled legislature. He does not tell Trump to F off.
Scott says Biden taxes and inflation cost families $10k per year.
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Change that …my legal eagle daughter is watching…she just texted me.
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VS actually says people are wondering why he is there. He says he is successful and not a politician.
Haley blames Biden AND Republicans AND Trump for out of control spending.
Pence says he is best prepared to be President
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Pence and VS fight over experience.
DeSantis would have fired Fauci. However, he mentions Deep State so it costs points with me.
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Burgum and Hutchinson are conservative. That’s about all we need to know about them.
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I thought the faux news/ chamber of Chinese commerce debate was yesterday?
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Christie is tired of VS being a smartass amateur.
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Va gets points to state the climate hoax. No one else will say it.
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Chris Christie on Vivek Ramaswamy: “I’ve had enough already tonight of a guy who sounds like ChatGPT” 😂
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Vivek says everyone on the stage but him is bought and paid for. And I think @BretBaier was more offended than the politicians. LMAO
Twitter · 3 mins ago
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Republicans for Ukraine runs ad. Good.
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Give Brett a couple of cheeseburgers. I am sure thr blob can share some of his bakers dozen.
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The blob is done.
Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
VIVEK TO CHRISTIE: HOW BOUT YOU GIVE ME A HUG AND HELP ME GET ELECTED LIKE YOU GAVE OBAMA?
6:26 PM · Aug 23, 2023
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Where are the Republican for Ccp ad?
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https://babylonbee.com/news/republicans-gather-to-debate-who-will-lose-to-trump-in-a-distant-second
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Nikki says there will not be Federal antiabortion rules. Says we should agree on no late term abortions but also have to stop talking about putting women and doctors in jail for abortions
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Leave it to faux to push climage change. Not even a top 3 issue.
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Pence calls for Federal 15 week abortion ban.
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Goober hurt us with that talk at the midterm.
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Push8mg more Ukraine grift, and an abortion ban.
Silent on the economy
=let Biden win.
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Vivek plagiarized Obama in his first statement answer like word for word.
Vivek clearly took “skinny guy with a funny name” from Obama – kinda shameless, glad Christie called him out for it. Obama won, to be sure, but this ain’t 2007.
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Christie says he would have Feds prosecute crimes when Soros DAs won’t prosecute.
RDS says he is the only candidate who removed Soros DAs.
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76 million views of Tucker-Trump.
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MizDonna
@donwill94062871
Everyone scoffed at a Twitter show
They said nobody would watch.
10 million at the start.
People tried to tell them
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Tucker is the best in biz right now. Pawn may be second.
But the gap between ticker and pawn is great.
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Blob won’t bow to anyone.
Blob physically cannot bow to anyone.
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Blob has backbone.
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Tina- You never seem to hide your contempt for fat people. Why is that? You seem to think it is an objective basis for criticism.
VS says he will not pardon Trump if President.
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The debate is very good. Why watch another Trump show instead?
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Christie is great.
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VS calls Zelensky the Pope of Ukraine. Ummmm. Off my list.
Christie highlights Putin’s war crimes and criticizes Trump for past praise of Putin.
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Vivi Swarmy comes off as an asshole.
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Pence smacks down VS over Ukraine comments and says Putin does want to recreate the Soviet Union.
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Haley will support more aid to Ukraine.
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Vivek is a dick!
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Haley slams Putin as a murderer and slaps VS for calls to defund support Israel.
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Haley beat down Vivek.
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Ron DeWeasel is backtracking on Ukraine.
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I would like Burgum as my Governor.
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He really does.
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Too many candidates.
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Finally just turned the debate off. Couldn’t take any more of it. Reminded me of an out of control junior high classroom. Complete waste of time.
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RDS & Haley have done the best. RDS a looked into the camera with conviction. Haley sounds experienced.
Christie is only there for one reason.
Burgum…I am moving to North Dakota.
Scott- Likable
Pence is really sanctimonious.
Asa- uses too many words and doesn’t say much
Vivek- came across as Megyn Markel.
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RDS, Haley, Scott should make next round.
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Me too. Horrible. Had enough of the Ccp commerce debate
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Pence flipped on Trump in a major way with the DOJ January 6th case. In his answer tonight he was super pissed at DJT asking him to reject the electors.
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Why is Vivek running against Trump if he thinks it’s a fact that Trump was the best president of this century? Answer: because he’s not actually running against Trump. He’s a Trump surrogate.
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Not to mention Meadows.
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Add Christie for Bitterlaw.
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A UFO question for Christie. Good answer.
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I would like to only see RDS, Christie, Pence, Scott and Haley in the next debate. Drop the rest. Trump is a coward who won’t show up. He just wants to preach to only people who worship him. Why? He cannot win with only his base.
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Asa has a great voice for bedtime stories.
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Pence actually got more attention than I expected. RDS was fine but too many participants on stage. Haley, Christie and Scott were effective.
VS is an unserious clown show.
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I can’t believe RDS answer on Ukraine included Europe doing more…EXACTLY! He will be Pragmatic not reactive.
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Former President Donald Trump’s counter-programming debate interview with Tucker Carlson received 33 million views in the first 20 minutes after it was posted on Twitter. Tucker Carlson released the interview five minutes before the GOP primary debate began in Milwaukee at 9:00 p.m. EDT. Fifteen minutes after the debate began, the video received 33 million views. It surpassed 55 million views in 25 minutes and 70 million views after 30 minutes. Fox News averaged 1.1 million views per day during the second quarter of 2023, according to Nielsen Media Research data.
A lot of criticism here about the Trump team meeting with the legacy media beforehand, supposedly colluding against RDS. However, little is being said about the RNC giving total control of the debate to Fox, including leaving qualified candidates like Larry Elder (who is not an anti-Trumper) off the stage. Also, the spin room afterwards was off limits for anyone who liked Trump.
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If Trump gets jailed or gets kicked off the ballot we need a serious candidate like vivek not one of Biden’s henchman (Ron DeSantis)
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Agree. Pence was himself. He was my congressman. He was waiting for the Trump indictment question and his answer regarding being loyal to the Constitution and Trump was asking him to be loyal to him.
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Vivek went hammer time on the clown GOP candidates at the debate
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Vivek came off as a dickish fool.
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I would rather lose with a true conservative candidate than support a disloyal serial adulterous candidate that colludes with the Woke Commie Dem media and asks his VP to join him in violating the Constitution.
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Tucker his softball interview with Trump. Cool.
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Vivek says he won’t increase funding for Biden’s Ukraine money laundering operation
“I find it offensive that we have professional politicians on this stage that will make a pilgrimage to Kyiv to their pope Zelensky without doing the same think for people in Maui or the south side of Chicago…”
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More than 82 million views and counting from the Carlson/Trump interview.
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It was a softball and more personal discussion, not meant to be in a debate mode. My husband and I enjoyed it along with the humor injected in it, a signature of Trump used in public settings.
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Bettors liked the Golden Calf, didn’t like Vivek or Christie. Haley must have done ok.
I didn’t watch.
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7053/Who-will-win-the-2024-Republican-presidential-nomination
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82 Million views won’t keep him from being convicted.
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There is an informal memorial to Prigozhin in St. Petersburg at which so far hundreds of people have left flowers.
Meanwhile, Prigozhin’s supporters are about to take vengeance on Putin. Given the popular support Prigozhin had in his rebellion, it might be wise for Putin to again go into hiding. Putin my yet end up being tried for war crimes in The Hague,
@NatalkaKyiv
‼️Things are getting exciting!
“Mass media close to Prigozhin is reporting that in the event of Prigozhin’s death, PMC Wagner has developed an action plan, which will be launched immediately.
The plan goes into action automatically. What it is is unknown.”
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Too bad the dumb wench wouldn’t shut up for Vivek to roast her better.
Reminds me of Carly constantly interrupting everyone yet no one wants to listen to her.
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Glad you had a great time.
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The American people must be thinking the same thing – why dismiss Maui, kiss off the border crisis, not talk about the violence in Chicago, while pledging enormous amounts of aid indefinitely? Why do you think the “Rich Men North of Richmond” song is so popular? …because so many think the average working man/woman is getting the shaft by the uniparty – establishment Dems and Republicans.
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😂😂😂
@megbasham
“Oh for heavens, I don’t care which candidate you support, one grown man does not “betray” another by choosing to run for an election. The office of the presidency is not an ex-girlfriend. No one has a claim on it but the American people.”
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I’m afraid DeSantis failed to distinguish himself in the Republican debate. I think his chances of getting the nomination are fading.
Ramaswamy came across as the high school kid who thinks he knows it all. His act will get old fast.
I thought Haley did very well, and will vote for her. Am off the DeSantis bandwagon.
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Kek wills it
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A Clear victory for team Vivek tonight against 7 sad lying career politicians,
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Her opinion… “This is already wild 👀 “
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Though Pence did an outstanding job of taking down Ramaswamy on Ukraine.
Have to agree with Bitter on this election. Trump will get the Republican nomination, and he will lose to Biden. The major uncertainty is where either candidate will suffer a major health event prior to the election, given their advanced age.
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Cool. You’re no longer in denial after watching Vivek destroy the 7 clowns.
It’s too bad the internet was small when Ron Paul was running or we could have avoided the McCain disaster.
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Thelma & Louise ride on. When Trump losses to a corpse. At least I live in a red state, my job is security is excellent and I have a great marriage and family.
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Vivek roasts nasty Nikki Haley
https://vxtwitter.com/The_Real_Fly/status/1694537158478958671?s=20
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Well there were losers. Blob and Aida stand out.
Vivek was the winner.
Biggest winner Tucker- 100+ million watches
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Rnc screwed themselves, Faux hosting a debate moderate by brittless = loser.
Too many candidates. Several should not be on the stage.
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I thought RDS was good not great. He got his points in to the normies. He will get better as the crowd thins.
Trump lovers liked Vivek. I thought he came across as a freaking jerk at times. Another Faux conservative BTW. That’s fine. He has flipped flopped so many times it’s ridiculous. DeSantis will destroy him in any policy issue and his flip flops.
Trump believes Epstein killed himself….believes in the establishment position again. He is such a faux establishment candidate and his campaign marriage with MSM proves that. Anyone who votes for him is asking for more Woke Commie Dem rule. Go ahead … my life is great.
I want a pragmatic problem solver not someone who makes me feel good.
Other than Trumps hard core base the rest of the GOP will rally around DeSantis eventually. It probably won’t be enough… but he needs to stay in the race for the long haul regardless to find out.
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Correction. 160 million views of tucker-trump.
What a big f.u. To faux News.
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You know Murdock is pissed.
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True…but a very small percentage of people… well under 10% use X on a regular basis. It’s not a big a deal as people make it sound.
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I find it hilarious when all the hard core MAGA are surprised when Trump takes a establishment position and then make excuses for him. Stockholm.
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Trump has a huge bot network on X as well. My favorites are the bikini babes.
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The only reason Pence is running is to tell his side of the story and prep for the blowback he will get when his testimony is used to convict Trump on January 6th.
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*takes the establishment position again…
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There are no charges filed against trump for j6.
Doubt he can be charged as that was the impeachment assuming stoner reads the constitution. There is also presidential immunity.
The indictments so far have failed. All are legally deficient or lack standing
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No doubt with the demented dictator now trailing trump by 5 (primose) something else needs to be in the cards such as attempting to misapply the 14Th amendment
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The leftist and rinos are desperate. They like authoritarianism and love the ccp.
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The house Rs need to correct faux peachment.
https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/hdfeds-urged-biden-give-ukraine-loan-guarantee-he
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I also think Epstein killed himself. Sue me.
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Unless Bunu actually responds to a post, most of his comments are getting marked as spam. This is a warning.
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January 6th faux electors scheme. It’s not as clear cut as conservative media makes it sound. I don’t expect any justice in Trumps favor regardless of how weak the charges are. It’s like thinking the Russia Hoaxers would go to jail.
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I haven’t seen many people on X talking about the Trump interview. Maybe they are sworn to secrecy after viewing.
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Fix and friends declares Haley the winner.
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A party that believes conman Donnie Trump and Vivek Ramascammy are its two best candidates for president is not a party that’s worth saving. This is what turning the party over to the populist white working-class voters looks like. It’s a party dominated by nihilists, hucksters, and burn-it-all-down types. It’s a party that celebrates celebrity and is at the mercy of the latest whims to blow through talk radio or the prime-time lineup of FoxNews. It’s a party that believes “sending a message” is more important than winning since winning, to them, means compromising.
The sooner the party moves away from populism, isolationism, and protectionism, the sooner it will start to win again. But not before. Democrats went through a populist spasm at the start of the 20th century and they were almost completely locked out of presidency for several decades. Republicans are in that same spot now. Their voters aren’t interested in winning. They’re interested in making a point and the party apparatus has no idea how to change that nor do they seem all that interested in even trying.
Republicans will start winning the presidency again as they did from 1896 all the way through 1928 and from 1968 all the way through 2004, but that won’t come until this populist spams ends. Unfortunately, I don’t think that will happen until 2032. We’ve got at least two more Trump nominations to go.
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I thought she did well. Jason to say he will not vote for her in 3…2…1…
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Vince Manfeld
@AureliusStoic1
Given the monumental viewership success of his debate night interview with Tucker Carlson, President Trump’s decision to skip the FOX News Republican event and instead produce his own programming may have been one of the best decisions of his political career.
4:10 AM · Aug 24, 2023
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Maybe gets 200 million views?
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Zzzzzzzzzz People who love him and people who hate him watched a few minutes to reaffirm what they already believed. He is still a coward for ducking the debate. Will he do the same if he gets the nomination?
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X numbers and influencers are overstated. Just like every other social media outlet it isn’t the real world.
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200 million views won’t keep him from being convicted either.
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Liz Harrington
@realLizUSA
Trump to Carlson: They’ll Try to Steal Election Again
– Trump’s already laying the groundwork to explain why he’ll lose the 2024 election. This is all about positioning himself to remain the party leader after 2024 and position himself to be the 2028 nominee as well.
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drudge
“Weird monkey sightings spread across Florida city…”
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AND SO IT BEGINS…
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The number has varied between 170 -200 million views – over half the population of the U.S. – watched the Carlson/Trump interview. Has anyone seen the debate viewership numbers?
It definitely was a good call to skip a debate that would have been dripping with animosity and entrapment type questions. The Fox debate clips I did see were buffoonish – candidates trying to outdo each other in supporting many of the policies Trump had already activated during his presidency. However, the real glaring omission, in all of the Fox-chosen candidates, was how they seemed to gloss over the injustices of dem strategists, to arrest anybody for anything, taking political prisoners in their attempts to control the narrative and keep their power. No matter their dislike or hatred of Trump someone among that human assortment vying for a leadership role should have had the guts to call out the travesty of faux indictments. But, they all had their heads shrink into their shoulders, timidly staying above the fray of controversy. The debate definitely pulled their covers!
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DRUGE has some photos up of the R candidat3s at the debate.
Guess which one is the most flattering pic?
Guess who the MSM are pushing.
Vivik Ramadamadingdong is WAY ahead in the poll of who won the debate.
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Scott (the Black man) is wAy down.
That PROVES THE R PRIMARY VOTERS ARE RACISTS.
(But VR won the debate? Wait. What?
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“Pence calls for Federal 15 week abortion ban.”
I would favor a 15 week ban on the operation of Facebook, Twitter X, etc.
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That’s not how millions of people see Trump. His image has only strengthened thru the rage of this political prosecution. And, the candidates running against him, all appear like light-weights (except for the physicality of Christie).
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I read somewhere where there were 500 million Americans who watched the Trump interview.
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I heard that Vivek was the most impressive of all the candidates, having the camera focusing on him more than others. Pence was too sanctimonious. RDS was said to have been unnaturally forceful. Christie always is a master of cultivating the most disdain from an audience. Most of the others weren’t even able to put a foot on the scale, in order to be weighed and measured for their performance.
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I heard that people who don’t actually watch a debate don’t really know what happened in the debate.
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Regarding viewership, a video of kittens playing with string will get millions of views. Should the kitten be nominated?
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I think he is running for clown.
Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
Chris Christie was campaigning to be Attorney General last night and conservatives need to take notice because we would get the exact same thing that we get from Merrick Garland – from a vengeful former ally
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It was 500 people who clicked a million times.
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There is a neocon meltdown underway this morning over Ramaseamy.
They seem to be rallying around haley since she is the dumbest candidate they have.
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You seem to love scoffing at truth. However, this morning, with the interview viewership only growing, the Carlson/Trump interview reached acclaim of being the most highly watched interview in history! It’s too bad people can’t retain their principled choices without going down the path of instantly discrediting the winner of a contest.
In the meantime, the following is a searing analysis of yesterday’s debate event:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/150-million-counting-trump-triumphant-ramaswamy-runner-desantis-dud
The candidates who did appear on the debate stage in Milwaukee last evening presented an image of betrayal to the American people. That the first debate was on Fox News, the network responsible for prematurely and recklessly calling Arizona for Biden in 2020, added a poetic touch to the general feeling of impotence surrounding the whole spectacle.
Perhaps even more poetic was who Trump instead chose to spend the evening with: Tucker Carlson, the most famous talk show host in America before he was sent to the slaughterhouse earlier this year by the powers-that-be at Fox in a sacrificial offering to the woke deities. Both Trump and Carlson are unified in being corporate media pariahs – maybe the only person more detested by the Murdoch’s than Donald Trump is Tucker Carlson; the fact that the two combined their influences against their shared enemy in Fox, which is now bloodletting viewership seemingly by the day now, is a powerful signal to the forces in this country that otherwise hope to shut down Donald Trump, and the populist furor both he and Carlson represent, for good.
Those who tuned into Wednesday night’s debate received a depressing look into the GOP’s past – and what lies in its future without Trump: timid, boring, and ineffectual “leaders.” The frontrunner’s absence was keenly felt in the lack of energy, vigor, and vision on the stage.
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I am pretty sure Trumps interview did nothing to sway Independent voters his way.
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Bitterlaws point regarding Trump staying in his echo chamber is spot on.
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Omg. Britt baker really had to halt the debate to prevent the crowd from booing the blob.
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It is official. Jan is now Trump’s biggest supporter at HHR. At least she is not crude like the last holder of that position.
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Social media is not reality and people living in reality realize this.
People who experience their reality through social media don’t want to live in the real world.
X is used regularly on a daily basis by 1/3 of accounts or 7% of America. Of those 7% who would watch Tucker give a softball interview of Trump? Not many. All part of the echo chamber.
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The 3 that grated on me the most were depends, Aida, and blob.
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Tina hates fat people. Why? Does she have no substantive issues against Christie?
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Isnt the blob the same
Person that blamed trump when the blob covid
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If you recall, RDS thought social media (Twitter now X) was the best place in which to launch his election campaign. A count of views was also followed by the DeSantis people. I guess now, according to JeffP, it’s nothing more than an echo chamber, depicting an unreal world when DJT uses this vehicle to showcase his POV.
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It was a novel idea. Actually had more listening to his announcement than anyone this campaign. At least RDS is working alongside the CNN, NT Times, Etc.
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You ? People who experience their reality through social media don’t want to live in the real world.
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Blog got*
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There are so few people on this blog looking and posting about Trump objectively, which is why I’ve taken a counter point stance. IMO, I think Trump and those who judge him more evenly – including not only the bad and ugly, but also the good in their dialogues – need to be represented in these candidate conversations. If Trump manages to overcome all the obstacles, detours, bogus indictments thrust his way, I will gladly vote for him. If the opposition defeats him I will vote for another R candidate, with the exceptions of Christie and Pence
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Social media is an increasingly popular place for people to glean info.- especially in the younger generations. Sour grapes on your part will not change that growing reality and fact.
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2024 National Republican Primary
Trump 51% (-1 from July)
Ramaswamy 13% (+5)
DeSantis 9% (-4)
Pence 5% (+1)
Scott 4% (+1)
Christie 4% (+2)
Haley 3% (=)
Elder 1% (+1)
Burgum 1% (+1)
Hutchinson 1% (+1)
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Trump 72% (+2)
DeSantis 28% (-2)
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I see the damage it produces in young peoples lives every day. It’s not pretty.
This is the only site I interact.
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The world supports an independent Ukraine against the tyranny of Russia. If only some Republicans could join in this support.
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“If only some Republicans could join in this support.”
Polls show 50% to 60% Republicans are in support. The voices are loud and clear.
Also keep in mind the recent Gallup poll showing Zelensky with a 57% favorable versus 29% unfavorable rating; and Putin with a 5% favorable to 90% unfavorable rating.
The fact several posters on this board have quoted from the Grey Zone, a Putin supported Russian propaganda site, show what direction their coming from.
There is a difference between genuinely in good faith being oppose to U.S. involved in the Ukraine, and being a Putin shill.
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WI normies love RDS…
https://x.com/skmorefield/status/1694725785444372565?s=61&t=uLyKpWBwDwyCK292uUHCSA
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This Fox News focus group – all from Wisconsin – almost all remained or became pro Ron DeSantis after last night’s debate. One woman switched from leaning Haley to praising Vivek to supporting DeSantis. They also agreed that he could compete and possibly win their crucial swing state. Amazing. 🔥👇
“I think he had to present himself as a viable alternative to Donald Trump, and I think he was able to do that.”
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“🇺🇦 Ukrainian Special Forces raised the Ukrainian flag on occupied Crimea.
🇺🇦 Ukrainian Special Forces carried out a combat mission on the territory of occupied Crimea. The footage shows a group of soldiers heading to Maiak, a village northwest of the tip of Crimea.”
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I hope your right. DeSantis would be a highly competent President. Unfortunately the Republican primary has become a circus, and a lot of voters are more interested in watching the clowns.
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Joe Rogan discussing more left wing scams
https://vxtwitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1694575314129531060?s=20
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@visegard24
“BREAKING:
The New York Times writes that the U.S. is now entering the international F-16 coalition after having decided to train Ukrainian pilots on F-16s in Arizona starting next month.”
Finally getting serious about providing Ukraine with air power. 92 F-16s are being provided to Ukraine by at least five European nations. And pilots are being trained.
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DOJ now targeting Musk
Every DOJ official\worker deserves to be fired (just like every FBI\CIA\NSA worker needs to be)
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The most compelling argument in not voting for Trump is electability. This is the number one thing going for RDS. Fundraising will be much easier after last night for him.
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He had a good night compared to others. I don’t support him. Just stating the obvious.
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(Vivek)
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It’s good news, but I think most people don’t realize how long it’s going to take to train Ukrainian pilots to fly a F-16. It can take anywhere from 12 to 18 months. Practically speaking, I think it would have been better to get Ukraine as many surplus Migs (aircraft they already fly) as soon as possible from European countries.
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Reported, there are many experienced pilots from various countries skilled in flying F-16s who have volunteered for duty in the Ukraine Air Force. Wouldn’t surprise me if the Ukrainian F-16s are flying missions by the end of the year.
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You are not objective. Nothing wrong with that but stop pretending.
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House opens investigation into the gang hanger
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By the way, although I did not watch all of the Trump interview with Tucker Carlson, in the portion I watched thought Trump came across very well. He was calm and articulate. Considering the pressure he is under, that must not have been easy.
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“Who do you think performed best in the Republican primary debate on Wednesday?
DeSantis 29%
Ramaswamy 26%
Haley 15%
Pence 7%
Scott 4%
Christie 4%
Burgum 1%
Hutchinson 1%
@ipsos/@FiveThirtyEight”
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Seems like no clear winner. Clear losers with Aida, bubblegum, and blob.
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Had Scott’s performance higher and depends performance lower.
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https://babylonbee.com/news/confused-mike-pence-under-impression-hes-running-for-president-of-ukraine
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Small sample for national poll. Looked into internals. No likability numbers or 2nd preference either. I don’t see it as a trash poll. But without likability and 2nd choice numbers it’s not a clear indicator.
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Haley is hammering DJT electability very hard in the media today as she did last night. Look for this message to grow in the coming months.
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I really thought RDS would be attacked last night as the clear number 2 in IA and NH. It’s wasn’t to be. Instead Vivek got it from all sides except RDS who did not attack anyone. Some would say Vivek is the biggest threat to the other candidates. I don’t believe it for one second. Wonder why?
Attacking RDS is very hard to do and would give him more debate clock to respond… which is where he shines. Maybe that is why?
Or so they see Vivek as a Trump surrogate? Don’t know for sure.
It will be very interesting to watch.
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RDS with a good debate performance and response will get a huge fundraising list. He also received 20 new state level endorsements today. The more ELECTABLE he looks to those new to him he will gain in the polls in IA and NH.
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Most of Viveks post debate positivity is coming from the Trump camp and loyal Trump voters. It will be interesting to see where this goes. Being the opportunist maybe he is hoping Trump drops out or is there to undermine potential Trump movers to RDS. I don’t see a realistic lane for him to win apart from Trump dropping out and endorsement.
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It’s going to be shouted from the house tops before Iowa.
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I would bet after last night…Haley, Pence, Scott, Burgum and Christie will all end up endorsing RDS at some point.
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*lift
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The Trump interview does not have close to “200 million views,” as in people who watched it like on TV.
There’s a reason the actual post ONLY has 622K likes and 137K shares. Think about it 🤔
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VP, or chaos, or books, or podcasts, or having a decent candidate for 2028, or if Trump is jailed then we have a good candidate in 2024, or all of the above
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Same poll…
Ramaswamy unfavorable went from 13-32 …more than doubles!
Favorable
RDS 72
Haley 65
Scott 65
Trump 59
Unfavorable
Scott 23
RDS 25
Haley 27
Trump 35
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It is very hard to try to spin last night as positive for DeSantis. He was largely ignored because the other candidates do not believe he is a serious threat to win the nomination. They believe that Trump has already finished him off and that DeSantis is a dud of a candidate. It would have been better for him to have been attacked and at least have had the opportunity to make news in defending himself.
Yes, Ramaswamy was put on the defensive because the other candidates expect him to surpass DeSantis, but mostly because they simply do not like him and could not pass up the opportunity to fight with him and for good reason. Ramaswamy is a very unlikable person.
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So only 622K of 200 million views liked the video with only 137K shares…that’s social media illusion for ya.
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Those RDS Favorable/Likability numbers lately are super encouraging for team sanity.
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At 200 million mark….So only 622K of 200 million views liked the video with only 137K shares…that’s social media illusion for ya. Think bout it 🤔
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MORE… These results are only “surprising” if you disregard the prevailing political dynamics in this race ahead of the debate and instead evaluate it with a theater critic’s sensibilities. Ron DeSantis is still Donald Trump’s most viable Republican opponent. He has the strongest organization, the most cash on hand, and some of the highest favorability ratings in the Republican field.
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Considering voting for each candidate among R’s, who watched the debate (before and after the debate)
• DeSantis: 63% ➡️ 68% (+5)
• Trump: 66% ➡️ 61% (-5)
• Haley: 30% ➡️ 47% (+17)
• Ramaswamy: 41% ➡️ 46% (+5)
• Scott: 41% ➡️ 43% (+2)
• Pence: 21% ➡️ 24% (+3)
More from IPSOS/WP post debate polling.
Bitterlaw I guess showing up matters.
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Area of Ccp Fulton county looks like a sheothole
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desantISbettertrump is on a roll! Thanks for the info.
See that others were impressed by Haley’s performance as well.
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Robbie you get bonus points on that one.
The difference between Christie and Trump is a matter of degree.
Also is Christie even capable of hitting a golf ball? Can he look down and even see it?
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https://dcenquirer.com/trumps-tucker-interview-the-most-watched-interview-ever-beating-oprah-michael-jackson
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The first Republican debate of the 2024 presidential primary averaged 12.8 million viewers on the Fox News Channel Wednesday.
“The debate was the highest-rated non-sports cable telecast of the year in total viewers, overtaking Paramount’s Yellowstone (8.2 million P2+), with 11.1 million viewers and 2.4 million in A25-54, topping ABC, CBS, NBC combined and topping everything that aired on cable television,” says the network.
Thursday’s event outpaced more than 70 percent of all primary debates in 2016 and 2020.
The debate saw seven GOP candidates discuss topics ranging from the economy, war in Ukraine, transgender athletes, and even UFOs.
Participants included Vivek Ramaswamy, Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Mike Pence, and Chris Christie.
GOP frontrunner Donald Trump did not participate in the debate, citing his large lead in the polls. Instead, Trump sat down with Tucker Carlson on X, formerly known as Twitter, for an interview that ran counter to the first hour of the debate.
Though it’d be fun to compare the two broadcasts, television viewership and social media viewership are not comparable. Those who compare the two are either uninformed or dishonest.
X counts any user who views a clip for at least two seconds as a “view.” The platform also counts the same user each time they scroll past the video. If one user scrolls past a clip 15 times, they count as 15 views.
By contrast, Nielsen measures television ratings by the average viewership per minute of a broadcast. Meaning, the GOP debate averaged 12.8 million viewers per minute over the course of two hours.
According to Fox Sports EVP Michael Mulvihill, if TV used the same measuring process as X, the view count for the Fox News debate would sit at around 46 billion:
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RDS has the highest favorables in any recent poll I have seen that tracks that in their poll. That bodes very well for him. Electability is the key issue for normies.
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The X counter includes scrolls past any video or clip. I had about maybe 100 scrolls past last night and only watched 2 clips. That’s why the likes and shares are so low.
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Nobody wants Geezer Bowl 2 and why Trump will never win.
Independents: Net Favorability Ratings
Trump:
Gallup: -22
NYT/Siena: -27
Quinnipiac: -30
Fox News: -42
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Biden
NYT/Siena: -13
Gallup: -19
Quinnipiac: -29
Fox News: -32
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Fav/Unfav (average)
• Donald Trump: 33/63 (net -30)
• Joe Biden: 37/60 (net -23)
@IAPolls
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It is. I avoid it at all cost driving in ATL.
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We live in a banana republic and I have zero confidence justice will prevail in any case involving Trump or Biden’s. But we need to win in 2024 to take the country back.
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Bingo
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This has to be getting old for Moscow residents.
@Visegard24
“BREAKING:
All airports in Moscow have been forced to shut down operations due to an imminent Ukrainian wave of drone attacks.”
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It’s beautiful! Haha. The mugshot captured perfectly the fact that Donnie is a criminal conman.
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“@MattGertz
How populist “entrepreneur” Vivek Ramaswamy got rich:
1. Found biotech firm with hedge fund/venture capital $
2. Buy patent for Alzheimer’s drug that had failed 4 trials, raise more $ to take to market
3. Take company public, cash out
4. Drug fails 5th trial, investors wiped out”
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“GOP Presidential Hopeful Ramaswamy Sued Over Strive’s Practices
In separate lawsuits, two former employees at the candidate’s Strive Asset Management claim that the anti-ESG investment firm pressured them to violate securities laws.”
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The day after the debate, Nikki Haley is already asking for money. That is a good sign.
“It’s clear. Nikki WON the debate, Friend!
She’s fighting tooth-and-nail to save America.
Now it’s your turn.
Will you join Nikki’s movement now and rush in a donation?”
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She could win the general election if given the opportunity.
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Trump back on Twitter with mugshot pic.
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Over 2 million views already.
Hahahahaha.
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Faux news has dumped Rds? They are now with Warmonger Nikki!
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This clown is a major nut job:
“Ramaswamy tells @OstapYarysh “some post-Zelenskyy warlord” will take power in Ukraine & will be armed to the teeth unless the USA quickly stops sending weapons to Ukraine.
He compares it with the Mujehadeen & Al-Qaida in Afghanistan after the Soviets left”
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Taking Tokmak cuts of a major land route to Crimea. Ukrainian forces are about 8-9 miles away:
“@Visegrad24
Russian telegram channels posted this video today & warned that one of their drones with a FLIR camera had seen a large Ukrainian column of 100 armored vehicles passing by Orikhiv to reinforce the offensive.
Tonight, reports of a major push toward Tokmak!”
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I wish he had smiled in his mugshot. Show contempt that way. He looks like a psycho.
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“2024 Pennsylvania Republican Primary:
Trump 39% (+18)
DeSantis 21%
Ramaswamy 9%
Scott 6%
Pence 5%
Haley 5%
Christie 3%
Hutchinson 1%
Suarez 1%
Burgum 0%
Hurd 0%
@FandMPoll, 274 RV, 8/9-20”
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Trump back on twitter!
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sounds like every Alzheimer’s drug.
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He thought he would look tough by glaring like that. Instead he looks like a demented villain from a Alfred Hitchcock movie.
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Trump needs to fundraise.
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Yep link to donate.
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Jenna Ellis smiled. It motivated me to donate to her legal fund.
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You mean IS a psycho
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Put the mugshot on toilet paper for sale and they would make a fortune
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She’s better than Cccp Vivek.
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How is Vivek a decent candidate for anything?
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Turkey is furious over the treatment of Crimean Tatars, and supports Ukraine taking control of Crimea again:
” FSB seize Crimean Tatar family’s last son in new wave of terror against Crimean Solidarity activists
Russia has taken all three sons from Crimean Tatar historian Shurki Seitumerov and his wife Lilia, with the persecution in each case chillingly similar to the charges used during Stalin’s Terror to arrest and execute their great-grandfather”
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Biden and Trump should be cellmates:
“US President Joe Biden’s 90-day probe into the origins of Covid-19 censored the input of intelligence agency scientists who concluded the virus was most likely genetically engineered.
In May 2021, President Biden tasked the Intelligence Community with providing an assessment into how the pandemic began after reports, first published by Sky News, that researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been hospitalised with Covid-like symptoms in November 2019 in the suspected first cluster of the pandemic.
When the report was published it concluded that most intelligence agencies assessed the virus, even if it had leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, was natural rather than manipulated in a laboratory.
Sky News can reveal that this was not the assessments made by the four groups within the intelligence agencies that actually engaged in scientific analysis, who concurred that there was either a highly likely or reasonable chance the virus was genetically engineered.”
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NORTH CAROLINA
Who would you like to see take the oath of office for president in 2024?
Donald Trump 29%
Joe Biden 18%
Another Democrat 20%
Another Republican 18%
Someone from another party 8%
@cygnal/@JohnLockeNC
600 LV, 8/20-21
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Andrew Surabian
@Surabees
How small and irrelevant does last night’s entire GOP debate feel right now?
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@Schizointel
The Battle of Bakhmut saw about 80,000-90,000 troops engaged total.
The Battle of Robotyne saw about 120,000-158,000 troops engaged total.”
Battle of Robotyne was a major victory for Ukraine.
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“@DarthPutinKGB
If Trump is 215lbs I am 6’9””
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Electability is going to be one if the top issues other than economy/inflation for normies.
Yahoo/YouGov Poll: “If Trump is convicted of a serious crime in the coming months, who would you vote for?
GOP PRES: (now)
Trump 52%
DeSantis 12%
If convicted
Trump 35%
DeSantis 20%
Trump in this poll loses -17 points. That 35% is close to his floor.
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@SteveDeaceShow
What’s happening to Trump is sickening and dangerous.
However, this is again where Twitter is not America. On Twitter, a few of us won the rhetorical/philosophical/factual war against lockdowns, masks, and the poison pokes. I may be the only person alive who has written two certified best sellers about the worst tyranny in American history.
And yet most of America dutifully complied with all of it. Most of America showed no disgust when racialists were allowed to riot as they were locked down. Rainbow orgies were deemed essential but their churches weren’t. Most of America isn’t calling for justice now for all the died suddenly. People like us on Twitter are, but most of America isn’t.
Likewise, most of America isn’t going to rise up on behalf of Trump, either. If they didn’t rise up for themselves or their kids, they’re not doing so for a billionaire most of them have made it clear they don’t like.
Even more unfortunate, most of America is where the votes reside we must win to win a must win election. At some point we have to get back to competing for most of America and not just Twitter supremacy. There are only ever two options in a culture of irreconcilable differences such as ours — policy outcomes or bullets.
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“WASHINGTON (AP) — A preliminary U.S. intelligence assessment concluded that an intentional explosion caused the plane crash presumed to have killed a mercenary leader who was eulogized Thursday by Vladimir Putin, even as suspicions grew that the Russian president was the architect of the assassination.”
All lies. I am going with Seymour Hersh’s version that it was the Norwegian Air Force with support from the CIA, FBI, NSA, NFL, NBA, and Hunter Biden.
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I think the mugshot IS showing contempt. He will raise millions on it. Bet on it.
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@SteveDeaceShow
What’s happening to Trump is sickening and dangerous.”
Yep, the weaponizing of justice system against Trump on all these ridiculous and bogus charges IS very dangerous.
But to the TDS morons, the ends always justify the means.
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China Covid News:
“HONG KONG — There were almost 2 million excess deaths in the two months after China lifted its “zero-Covid” restrictions, a U.S. study found, contradicting official figures from Beijing that have been criticized as too low.”
Researchers estimate there were 1.87 million excess deaths from all causes among people 30 years and older from December 2022 to January,
“Overall, China has reported fewer than 122,000 Covid-related deaths to the World Health Organization. The United States, by comparison, has reported more than 1.1 million Covid-related deaths since the start of the pandemic.”
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Funny that Chiner UNDERCOUNTED their COVID deaths,
while the U.S. INFLATED their COVID deaths.
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Exactly. Horrible precedent. They don’t care.
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Putin is such a vindictive jerk:
“Russian Wagner Group fighter upset by the fact that the Russian state has started to bulldoze entire cemeteries with graves of Wagner fighters that were killed in Ukraine.
Russia treats them like cannon fodder, nothing else.”
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Hi Jason
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President Trump’s First Tweet of Mugshot Gets OVER 120 Million Views – Elon Musk Responds: “Next-Level”
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Own and control the downsize
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Jack Poso 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
SCOTT ADAMS: “Trump’s mugshot and return to Twitter was the best counter-move you’ve ever seen”
7:27 AM · Aug 25, 2023
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Downside *
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It never fails. Whenever McGregor predicts the Ukraine is doomed, Ukraine starts making major gains. McGregor better be quiet or he’ll suffer the same fate as Prigozhin.
@blueyellowblue
“Russians artillery fire on Inchenkove indicate that 47 aproached it and Novoprokopivka is liberated!
Ukrainian Forces getting momentum now. Not to
Far from Tokmak but Solodka Balka is well fortified. On the other hand more than 120 Ukrainian armored vehicles involved”
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It never fails to be eye-opening how diverse news stories display narratives that contradict each other, which is why it’s so difficult for the ordinary reader to find the truth. For instance, SDC posts many pro-Ukrainian pieces saying the counter offensive is making progress. However, there are other commentaries out there painting a much darker picture where Ukrainian field commanders are killing their own service men for desertion. Other comments describe the destruction of steel (equipment) which cannot be replaced because there is nothing to replace it with. The death tolls too seem to be minimized by one side vs over 500,000 on the other side. Maybe at the end of this endless conflict more will be sorted out, separating facts from fiction. Maybe those Ukrainians, who survive Zelensky’s ambitious fight with Russia, will be able to add truth to power from their own personal interaction with all the side effects this war has produced.
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Another example of how events can be magnified and then described according to the bias of the person writing it, are the Twitter views of the Trump/Carlson interview have vs the R debate. The 12.5-13 million who watched the recent TV debate was compared to debates that had higher numbers, leaving out the 2015 debate with Trump which garnered 25 million viewers – almost double of the recent debate. The Twitter views of Trump’s interview has reached almost a quarter of a BILLION – a number that has been maligned as not real. However, during RDS election announcement on twitter, his people bragged about the enormous numbers of 800,000, perhaps reaching upwards to 10 million – touted as an historic number. That was true, then. But, the Trump interview surpassed that number at the beginning of the interview, reaching a 100 million at the end to 240 million as of this date.
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Well at least Alice Cooper and Santana are not afraid to acknowledge there are only two genders.
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And then there is the corporate press offering its distorted review of politics. Joy Reid this morning had a diatribe railing against DJT, saying how bad he was for people of color etc. Another Twitter clip, though showed Trump’s caravan of cars traveling thru a poor Atlanta neighborhood towards the courthouse, lined with people of color, shouting out encouragement and their support of him.
BTW, the “never surrender” mug shot is already being hawked on a t-shirt, in a gesture of making lemonade out of lemons.
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I heard there were 900,000,000 views of the Trump interview–just in the U.S.
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Maybe at the end of this endless conflict more will be sorted out, separating facts from fiction.”
One fact we know is that Russia invaded Ukraine and is guilty of war crimes.
We can “separate” that one right now.
And of course, the “endless conflict” could be ended today if the Russians invaders pull out.
That is another fact we can separate right now.
I know, those are fact janzam and the other sniveling little Putin lapdogs don’t want to acknowledge.
And finally, IF the Ukrainian military casualties WERE greater than reported ( I don’t believe anything a lying scumbag Putin supporter like McGregor says) wouldn’t that be a sign the Ukrainians need MORE aid, not less?
How about THAT fact?
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Yah thunk?
“CNN’s Kaitlan Collins & Sara Murray whine Trump will use his mugshot to raise money for his campaign and wonder if it’s a good idea for him to be given one.”
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I commend the 8 candidates that raised their hands saying they would support the nominee even if he was convicted of bogus charges. Of course, Dem trolls Christie and Asa did not, even though they signed a pledge to do so. It shows they have no honor and no principles.
It was nice to see Pence actually showing some balls and refusing to be bullied by his MSM friends.
That being said, I hope Trump is not the nominee. But EVERY R, conservative, independent, libertarian or dem who is not a communist (yeah, I know, not many left) should be united in condemning the charade of these indictments, whether you hate Trump or not.
Because Trump will pass, the country needs to endure.
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Where the battles are taking place is being confirmed by geolocated combat footage, and also drone camera footage. Even Russian millibloggers are commenting on Ukrainian advances, which they are referring to as a “breakthrough”. Technology, Twitter X and other sources provide almost live film footage of events as they unfold.
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The only thing that’s a charade is conman Donnie’s marriage to Melania.
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LOL. Jealous, huh?
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Trump is everything Amoral Scumbag will never be. Rich, successful, accomplished with a great wife and great kids who love him and support him.
Meanwhile, Amoral Scumbag will continue to be a bitter, unprincipled, vindictive, small minded scumbag with the moral compass of a floating turd.
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“That being said, I hope Trump is not the nominee. But EVERY R, conservative, independent, libertarian or dem who is not a communist (yeah, I know, not many left) should be united in condemning the charade of these indictments, whether you hate Trump or not.”
Your right Jason. I guess I am too cynical to even believe that is possible anymore in our country. Everyone is too passive. I just want to win hoping that might bring justice.
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Vivek says it will all be controlled by an Afghan-style warlord in the end so we should give all of Ukraine to Russia. And toss Taiwan to China as soon as we can make our own semiconductors ’cause that is what we should do with allies once we have no use for them.
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Taiwan has the ability to easily kill over 500 million people in China by targeting the gorges damn.
They don’t need the USA’s help to completely destroy China should they choose to have virtual mutual assured destruction
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Yes, it’s a fact Russia was the one who invaded Ukraine, with the passive permission of Biden. War crimes have been committed, actually by both sides. However, Russia invaded first, so they will carry the burden of responsibility for this war.
Russia would have to pull out of both the territory taken over by Russia in the current conflict, as well as hand over Crimea to Zelensky. That’s not going to happen, which means many more bodies will have to pile up on both sides before any peace is achieved.
No one really knows what the true number of casualties are. Each side gives their own figures – numbers that usually support they are “winning.” Both of course can’t be true. But wishful thinking softens the blow of losing ground – applies to both Russia and Ukraine. IMO, our government, the Pentagon/CIA, should be the last to be believed.
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If Ukraine isn’t winning, then we need to be sending more aid and weapons. NOT LESS for fuck’s sake.
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Either way, we can agree that Vivek is an idiot.
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Vivek foreign policy in a nutshell:
– Signal our resolve by bailing on our commitment to Ukraine and let Russia rebuild its empire.
– Undermine our traditional alliances in Europe
– Protect Taiwan until we get what’s ours and then, well…
I’m sure China will take us very seriously.
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