Well, things just got interesting in Russia. Discuss.
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387 responses to “It’s the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine open thread.”
“Prigozhin lied about “shell famine” and prepared for civil war for 2 months by stockpiling ammunition – Gulagu. net”
The theory being floated now is that Prigozhin has been planning his attempted coup for at least six months.
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@Tendar
More and more private jets with no declared destination or Turkey as destination appear over Moscow.
The are making a run for it.
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@DarthPutinKGB
Wagner took 9 months to capture Bakhmut and 3 hours to capture Rostov.
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This has not been confirmed:
@igorsushko
Osechkin: Russia’s entire 22nd Special Forces Brigade has switched to Prigozhin’s side as well as some FSB border guards.
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Too early to predict what will happen. If Putin is removed, shot, or exiled, Biden will claim credit for it.
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Breaking News – Putin moved to top floor of Kremlin. Developing…
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BREAKING: One of Russia’s presidential planes has left Moscow, as Kremlin says Putin is still working in the capital.
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BREAKING: Reports that Wagner’s force have entered Lipetsk region, which is around six hours drive from Moscow.
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“Trenches Barricades began to appear in the center of Moscow”
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MAKS 23 👀🇺🇦’
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“People greet us as liberators” – Prigozhin
“We didn’t kill a single person along the way. Without firing a shot, we captured the headquarters building in Rostov. We have not interfered with the work of a single person. There are people with PMC flags on the street,” — Prigozhin
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“Many military units in the Lipetsk region have gone over to the side of Wagner and are moving towards Moscow” – Prigozhin’s channel reports
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BREAKING:
Putin’s plane has left Moscow for St. Petersburg.
Looks like he is fleeing from the advancing Wagner Group military column
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Any word yet on Tucker Carlson’s reaction?
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“@wartranslated
Absolutely madness. Let’s see if they can get to Moscow. So far, the Russian army appears to be either on a stand-by or doesn’t know what to do. I’m not seeing major resistance. The whole city of Rostov was given up without a fight.”
Don’t think the Russian generals could stand Putin, but most their troops are in the Ukraine. The Chechens apparently are going to attack Prigozhin’s troops.
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All the Putin appeasers and lackeys in the U.S. must be in meltdown. What a bunch of losers. History will not treat them kindly.
Kudos to Bitter and Jason for standing steadfast in support of Ukraine.
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“For the time being, in connection with the threat of the capture of Moscow, the Wagner PMC, the state administration bodies of the Russian Federation may be transferred to St. Petersburg. A number of high-ranking officials are already there” — rosZMI”
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@wartranslated
Medvedev reportedly evacuated from Moscow with family. What’s up, bro
@MedvedevRussia
Why aren’t you opening your filthy mouth anymore? A response came from where you were not expecting it?
Medvedev is a war criminal. He needs to be arrested and put on trial at The Hague.
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BREAKING:
The Kalinouski Regiment, made up of Belarusian volunteer soldiers fighting against the Russian Army in Ukraine, will make a public announcement to the Belarusian people at 5 pm today.
The traditional white-red-white flag will soon return to Belarus.
Free Belarus!
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@georgian_legion
“Wake up boozer
@MedvedevRussiaE
! Drunken tweets ain’t gonna write themselves.”
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Wagner will reach Moscow in 3-4 hours..
Russians massively buy tickets for flights abroad
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MAKS 23 👀🇺🇦
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Fighters of PMC “Wagner” massively release convicts from the prisons of Rostov, so that they join their ranks and go to Moscow together with them,
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Listening to the BBC. Conflicting views. This is either bad for Putin because it happened or good for Putin if it fails. On MSNBC, Trump still sucks.
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“MAKS 23 👀🇺🇦4h
25 hours without sleep, I hope you really enjoy this huge number of tweets (probably around 500 already), Such historical events cannot be missed 🙂 Thank you very much to everyone.”
There are about a dozen Russian and Ukrainian bloggers and Twitter users who provide what amounts to live coverage, complete with videos from individuals witnessing what is happening. Its almost like live television coverage.
We are witnessing a major historical event. In some ways it’s almost a grassroot movement. People in Rostov we’re bringing Wagner fighters food and drinks. You get the sense of Putin’s total lack of public support. The Chinese leader better be watching closely, despite social media controls and rigid censorship, the lid can still come off.
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Do not listen to Western propaganda. This distraction and escalation will soon pass and we can return to what is important. Annexing Ukraine and killing its people. Stay the course.
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It seems reasonably clear that a military move like this from Wagner couldn’t have happened without advanced planning and without compliant army sympathizers. That suggests Putin’s grip on power isn’t as strong as thought. Of course, cult-of-personality based authoritarian regimes often are built on a facade of strength and fear that crumble with direct contact.
Regardless, I’m sure the last 24 hours have been tough on conman Donnie, Tucker Carlson, and FoxNews military idiot Colonel Douglass MacGregor. Putin is their guy so this has to hurt them badly.
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Totally agree.
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“Putin Mobilizes Forces Against Russian Mercenary Chief”
This New York Times headline did not age well.
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Ukraine has to take advantage of the confusion and get some territory back. The Wagner group cannot fight on two fronts.
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SanDiegoCitizen
June 24, 2023 at 9:16 am
Wagner will reach Moscow in 3-4 hours..”
I doubt it… it is almost 700 miles from Rostov to Moscow and this guy has what, 30k troops?
Of course if he can get regular Russian troops to defect to him he will have an easier path but still I don’t think he will get anywhere near Moscow unless there is a major coup. Even then the coup instigators in Moscow are not going to put the Wagner group in charge of th country.
In my view the Wagner guy will be killed by an airstrike sooner or later. But the damage will be done.
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Regardless, I’m sure the last 24 hours have been tough on conman Donnie,”
LOL, Amoral Scumbag here to bash Trump so he can distract from the obvious corruption in the Biden family.
The last 24 hours have been tough on your man Biden, not on Trump.
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Putin’s speech was odd. He compared this to the WW1 and how the Russian government was stabbed in the back by the military and this lead to the Russian Revolution. You don’t usually hear KGB thugs condemning the revolution that gave rise to the Soviet Union. He is actually increasing the importance of this event. Some Russians, including military leaders, may view this as a “Yeah. This is a Revolution. Let’s do this!” moment.
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Why Amoral Scumbag is here to talk about “conman Donnie”. Of course “conman Donnie” has 10 times more integrity and honesty than Amoral Scumbag will ever have.
“We’ve seen a lot of concerning things revealed in the transcripts of interviews with two IRS whistleblowers who told Congress that decisions about a probe into the Biden corruption by the DOJ, FBI, and IRS were seemingly “influenced by politics.”
We heard about the WhatsApp message where Hunter Biden was threatening a Chinese official, claiming his father was in the room with him. That blew up, yet again, Joe Biden’s claim that he never talked with his son about his business.
The whistleblowers also shockingly revealed that the FBI confirmed the laptop was Hunter’s back on Nov. 6, 2019. Yet despite all the claims about Russian disinformation, the FBI sat on that and never clarified the issue when they knew the truth. Instead, the 51 former intel officials were able to spread the claim in October 2020 that it was like “likely Russian disinformation,” although they had no evidence to support that.
IRS Supervisory Special Agent Gary Shapley was one of the whistleblowers; the other was an unnamed IRS agent. Shapley told Congress that the “DOJ provided preferential treatment, slow-walked the investigation, did nothing to avoid obvious conflicts of interest in this investigation.” He said the investigation into Hunter Biden began in 2018 when they were looking into “a foreign-based amateur online pornography platform.”
He said they were seeking search warrants in the spring of 2020 and wanted to conduct “approximately 15 contemporaneous interviews at that time.” But the DOJ stood in their way. They wanted to search Joe Biden’s guest house in September 2020, where Hunter stayed at one point but were stopped by the DOJ, despite having probable cause.
According to Shapley, Assistant United States Attorney Lesley Wolf also didn’t want them to ask about the “Big Guy” or “Dad.”
Among other things, we wanted to question Walker about an email that said: “Ten held by H for the big guy.” We had obvious questions like who was H, who the big guy was, and why this percentage was to be held separately with the association hidden.
But AUSA Wolf interjected and said she did not want to ask about the big guy and stated she did not want to ask questions about “dad.” When multiple people in the room spoke up and objected that we had to ask, she responded, there’s no specific criminality to that line of questioning.
Shapley noted that when the FBI finally interviewed Walker, they avoided the topic of Joe Biden:
The FBI agent continued: “Any times when he was in office, or did you hear Hunter Biden say that he was setting up a meeting with his dad with them while dad was still in office?”
Walker answered: “Yes.”
Now imagine if Trump was in office and these investigations were into Trump Jr, how differently would it have been handled.
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“Akhmat forces (Kadyrov’s troops) are stuck in a traffic jam, roughly 90km from Rostov-on-Don.”
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Heroiam_Slava
😳 Wagner’s men in Rostov disarm Kadyrov’s men and take them prisoner
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They don’t have time or resources to take prisoners. Take their weapons and keep moving. A major question is why hasn’t Putin ordered an end to this with air strikes? I don’t think Wagner has air power.
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It’s also been a tough 24 hours for Tinfoil and her trusted news sources at Gateway Pundit. Putin was/is their guy. Same for Steve Bannon and Sebastian Gorka, two of the bigger Putin-stans in America.
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Putin’s Air Force is a disaster:
“Since the very first day of Vladimir Putin’s war in Ukraine, Russia’s blundering air force has been struggling to keep its jets in the sky.
The Ukrainians have done their part, blowing apart fighters and helicopters with their air defence missiles.
But at least a dozen of Putin’s planes have burst into flames mid-air, plunged into Russian cities, or exploded on the runway.”
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Hi Folks,
BBC News has good coverage of the apparent Wagner Group mutiny. They are apparently moving north from Rostov-on-Don on the M4 toward Moscow. Google maps traffic delays showed red along the road from Voronezh up the M4 to Moscow, according to the BBC News report. They showed a Google Maps real-time picture, but I tried looking on my Google Maps and it just showed all blue along the route.
Apparently, as the Wagner Grouo column moves north, they are gathering either overt support from the Russian security forces or those forces are passive to the Wagner Group presence. A strong word of caution here is in order, first reports in combat are almost always wrong.
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If Wagner Group makes it to Moscow, there’s very little reason to think the city’s police forces and conscript troops will be able to stop 20,000 battle hardened mercenaries. More than likely, the police forces and their leaders would either stand down or switch sides the moment Wagner makes it to the city. Putin ruled by fear and the fear of him would be gone and replaced with the fear of Prigozhin. In other words, the king is dead. Long live the king.
It’s also very interesting the Russian air forces have made no real attempts to stop the Wagner convoy. I remember the end of the first Gulf War when a large column of Iraqis tried to escape Kuwait and the US bombed that convoy into dust. It was known as the highway of death. Not the case here which makes me wonder whether the Russia military has effectively decided to stand down or are sympathetic to Wagner’s aims?
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My advice to the Wagner Group would be to get inside Moscow before winter.
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“BREAKING:
The Kalinouski Regiment of Belarusian volunteer soldiers fighting in Ukraine has released a public announcement to the Belarusian people:
“A favorable moment to free the nation from dictatorship and occupation has come. Get organized!””
Putin saved Lukashenko from being overthrown several years ago. Without Putin, Lukashenko is toast.
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@visegrad24
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The Wagner Group is a couple of hours away from Moscow.
The city is being defended by police forces and ill-equipped conscript units as 95+ percent of the Russian Army is in Eastern Ukraine.
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BREAKING:
The Wagner Group has announced that most of the Russian Army units in the Lipetsk region have switched sides and joined the Wagner Group military column heading toward Moscow
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As Robbie mentioned, I believe it is significant that Russian air power has not engaged the Wagner column as it has advanced toward Moscow. Tells me the Russian military has decided to sit this one out. If so, bad news for Putin. VERY bad news in fact.
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Guess Putin won’t be moving on Poland or Finland anytime soon. LOL
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Guess Putin won’t be moving on Poland or Finland anytime soon. LOL”
Yeah, but you can thank the aid we provided that kept him from winning in Ukraine. Had he won in Ukraine of course he would be more powerful than ever, and no “rebellion” would have happened.
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Assuming that army units are switching sides to Wagner as they advance towards Moscow, I would watch what Defense Minister Shoigu and General Gerasimov do. It might behoove them to throw Putin overboard in much the same way General Sisi did in Egypt in 2013. I suspect they would be much easier people with whom the West could deal than Prigozhin.
Sisi is certainly no Thomas Jefferson, but he’s kept the country Western oriented and moved their economy towards capitalism. If Shoigu took power before Prigozhin had a chance to do so, he’d probably get some tacit Western backing and might even release political dissidents in an attempt to show the West he wants a new direction.
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Is Tucker Carlson on suicide watch? Better do a welfare check. Might as well check on Tgca, JeffP, Tina, Neville Allen and the other HHR Putin sycophants too.
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“McFaul
Putin is a thug. Prigozhin is a thug.”
I doubt Prigozgin would last long as Russia’s leader.
Agreed with Jason, by aiding Ukraine we caused Putin’s fall. And the leader of China is going to be a lot more cautious in dealing with the U.S. and its allies.
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Everyone who supported Ukraine and the aid it received deserves a medal. All the Putin toadies who supported this ex-KGB thug and the immense death, destruction and suffering his actions in Ukraine caused should be ashamed of themselves.
And yes, anybody who opposed Ukraine having the means necessary to defend itself and prevent the Russians from winning were in effect supporting Putin and his ambitions of a new USSR and Greater Russia.
No free lunch.
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I will believe Putin “fell” when I actually see it. Like with Saddam Hussein, Putin has build a society where a lot of people have a lot to lose if he loses power.
Also, it is possible a lot of the units “switching sides” are doing so for their own reasons, not necessarily because they support Prigozhin.
I still think he will be killed or assassinated before this is over. We shall see.
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Events in Russia are certainly moving in a positive direction. Even better, I can’t even think of anything Biden can now say or do to F thinks up….although if anyone could it would be the Biden administration. LOL
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“HHR Phoenix has nothing to do with Phoenix, Arizona. It refers to the Phoenix that rises from the ashes. The buildings are in Philadelphia.”
Hey, ma, we reeled in a Bitterfish.
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Yep. the likely end for Putin is probably assassination.
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The city is being defended by police forces and ill-equipped conscript units as 95+ percent of the Russian Army is in Eastern Ukraine.”
Huh, not really. Probably only about 25% of the Russian Army is in Ukraine. But Russia is a vast country, so likely there really are not that many troops in the Moscow region. Presumably Putin could bring in troops from the East and North, but at this point does he know who is loyal and who isn’t?
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The Wagner mercenaries have no popular support. Pooty poot will put this down quickly. It was a power struggle between Prigozhin and Shoigu. Prigozhin indicated that they could not stop the Ukrainian offensive, which by most accounts is not going well. We shall see if Prigozhin picks up support from others to remove Pooty poot.
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Shoigu appears to have manipulated supply to Prigozhin/Wagner mercenaries. Now, some of the Wagner mercenaries are standing down. Prigozhin appears to have backed himself into a corner. Predicting doom during the Ukrainian counter offensive, which is a debacle for Ukraine, and fighting with Shoigu.
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Once a tipping point is reached as far as loyalty of Russian security and military forces is reached things would unravel quickly for Putin. When that is reached or even if it will be reached is anyone’s guess. One thing for sure. The Wagner group with 25,000 troops isn’t enough to remove Putin without significant numbers of the Russian military actually standing down and then switching sides. Early indications are that the standing down part seems to be happening to a large extent.
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Prigozhin is under indictment for the Russian farms (Fuhrer Muleheads discredited witch hunt)
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They are not standing down, Phil. That is the issue. The Wagner mercenary group/Prigozhin are not popular. Citizens are confronting thr Wagner mercenaries. What a sheot show.
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What a carnage though with the Ukraine. Counter offensive. Totally unnecessary.
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You never know which way things are going to go this early in an event like this. A coup, if that is what this is, is an incredibly fluid deal.
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Russia gate scammer jake Sullivan, the. Biden idiots, and blanken don’t know what the phuq they are doing here.
Catturd ™
@catturd2
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If you think it’s a victory to have an unpredictable civil war inside an unstable country with thousands of nuclear warheads pointed at the USA – you might not be exactly thinking things through, and that’s an understatement.
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Tinfoil is having a morning. Spewing Gateway Pundit talking points like they mean anything.
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Well, yeah, Tina. To get rid of Putin it would take massive defections of the Russian military. That is probably a long shot but who knows. Yes, a sh*ts show. No doubt.
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The house needs to call the goblin and Weiss. Time is of the essence here,
Shipwreckedcrew
@shipwreckedcrew
In answering questions yesterday, Garland said that only he – as AG – could name someone as a Special Counsel.
Regarding the claim that USAO for Delaware, David Weiss was denied being named a “Special Counsel” — “He did not ask me.”
Seemed pretty deliberate phrasing that left open the possibility that someone below Garland blocked Weiss from communicating such a request to Garland.
8:06 AM · Jun 24, 2023
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Someone below. Look at the #2 at justice. There is your answer
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Yes. VERY deliberate phrasing. No doubt.
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Tina thinks Ukraine regaining the territory Russia seized in the invasion is “totally unnecessary.” Sad.
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Another large convoy of Kadyrov forces, also about 200 pieces of equipment, is going from Mariupol to Rostov”
Russians are withdrawing troops and equipment from Ukraine to fight Prigozhin.
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What is kind of puzzling to me is how far Wagner group has gotten towards Moscow. They should have been crushed by now. The whole thing is weird.
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….and I don’t pretend to understand the whole Prigozhin dynamic.
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Amen Marv! The reports coming in are chaotic and the result of a “fog of war” environment. In fact many are comparing this revolt to gang warfare, as all the players, from Putin to Prigozhin, are hardened thugs vying only for money and power. The Wagner group are mercenaries, cold-blooded killers, not knights on white horses. Prigozhin, himself, is very wealthy from taking the spoils of war for his own. Consequently, it’s not clear if Putin is killed or kicked out who his replacement would be, and if the new ruler would be better or worse. Info, for instance, coming in says the grievances of the Wagner group include not being paid, and they thought Putin “was too soft” on his Ukrainian invasion tactics. If true, that’s very troubling.
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Real America’s Voice (RAV)
@RealAmVoice
Posobiec calls idea that Russia instability is good for Ukraine, ‘ridiculous’ and ‘shortsighted’
@JackPosobiec
: “There are generals within the Kremlin that have wanted to glass Kiev since day one… and those guys view Prigozhin as an opportunity, potentially, to go harder on Ukraine.”
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I guess you are happy with the carnage. Have at it. Sick
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“@visegard24
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There’s more and more theories pointing toward Prigozhin only being the face of a larger coup, which is supported by parts of the Army and the intelligence services.”
“The goal is to remove Putin, withdraw from Ukraine and return to making business with the world.”
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BREAKING:
Some Russian units are pulling out of Ukraine and are returning to Russia in an effort to stop the advance of the Wagner Group”
There are reports from Ukrainian sources indication discussions are taking place with the Prigozhin side regarding a negotiated settlement. Prigozhin is not that powerful an individual; he’s not acting alone.
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Looks like a confrontation between Akhmat and Wagner in Rostov is imminent.
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Nukes and nukes ans nukes. Pooty poots replacement can be even worse.
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Meanwhile Dagestan has an independence movement developing.
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Tina – ALL of the carnage was caused by Russia invading Ukraine. You are comfortable with Putin because somebody else would be worse? Putin is a KGB killer and you want him to survive this?
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You have to give Tina a break. She must be devastated that her hero Putin is once again stymied in his mission to annex Ukraine and continue killing its people.
You have to respect her period of mourning.
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“The goal is to remove Putin, withdraw from Ukraine and return to making business with the world.”
THAT would be great. I will believe it when I see it.
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Putin appears to have gone into hiding.
“Putin’s personal plane has left Moscow,” the platform reported as of 14:45 Kyiv time.
The map showing the flight path of the plane in question, tail number RSD697, was attached to the report, showing it heading northwest of Moscow.
However, The Moscow Times, citing FlightRadar data, reported at 15:06 that the plane disappeared from radars.
Read also: Prigozhin’s mutiny in Russia: intelligence update
“President Putin’s Il 96-300PU special aircraft took off from Moscow to St. Petersburg at 14:16 Moscow time… The destination of the aircraft is not specified. It disappeared from the radar in Tver region,” the report reads.
The publication added that one of Putin’s residences is located in precisely in Tver region.
At the same time, another report claimed Prime Minister Mikhail Mishustin’s plane also departed to St. Petersburg.
“It is reported that Prime Minister Mishustin’s plane left for St Petersburg. Also, several other business jets are heading to Russia’s northern capital,” the report says.
It is noted that the wealthiest member of the Cabinet, Vice Prime Minister Denis Manturov, has already left Russia.”
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I think we should consider immediate aid to Putin to fight off these people distracting from the killing of more Ukrainians.
I think B-52’s would be appropriate, I want to avoid escalation to anything bigger.
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Some tend to think the grass is greener on the other side, or replacing a dictator with another dictator-type will bring better governance. However, when looking at the change of governments in Libya or Iraq it only became worse for the people. More importantly, regarding any leadership transitions in Russia, nukes have to be a large part of the consideration – what would a new regime do with their nuclear advantage?
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Nukes and nukes ans nukes. Pooty poots replacement can be even worse.”
Zzzzzz…… Tina is grasping at straws now.
Her defense of Putin is down to buuuhhhh, nukes.
Of course, one of her arguments for supporting Putin and advocating unilateral surrender of Ukraine was, guess what, NUKES.
So we were supposed to surrender to Putin because of nukes. Now we are supposed to support him because of nukes.
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Prigozhin appears to be more ruthless than Putin, Bitter. It’s best to see and understand all sides of issues before you wish for a change that could be substantially worse.
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It’s possible Wagner is the public face of a much broader coup effort that includes parts of the army and the intelligence services. If the army was unified in its belief this had to be stopped, then they would have attacked the convoys by air. They haven’t. That suggests tacit and/or overt support for the effort.
I’m sure even large parts of the army realize their combat force has been destroyed and they can’t continue to stay in Ukraine. In WWII, the Abwer, the German military intelligence tired several times to depose/assassinate Hitler so they could come to peace terms with the Allies and Soviets. The Abwer even worked with Pope Pius XII to accomplish this.
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You’re a Putin shill polluting this board with pro-Putin talking points. Take your crap to Gateway Pundit and stay there. Maybe you can snuggle with Steve Bannon.
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Damm, Tina and the other Putin toadies hardest hit again. They kept justifying Putin’s invasion because of the “Donbas”. As it turns out, all Russia wanted was to pillage the Donbas too.
“Mr Prigozhin has for months been accusing Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and Russia’s top general, Valery Gerasimov, of rank incompetence, but on Friday he for the first time rejected Russia’s core justifications for invading Ukraine on February 24 last year in what it calls a “special military operation”.
“The Defence Ministry is trying to deceive society and the president and tell us a story about how there was crazy aggression from Ukraine and that they were planning to attack us with the whole of NATO,” Mr Prigozhin said in a video clip released on Telegram by his press service, calling the official version “a beautiful story”. …
“The task was to divide material assets (in Ukraine),” he said.
“There was massive theft in the Donbas, but they wanted more.”
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Russian channels are reporting that Ukrainian units have crossed the Dnipro river and fights are ongoing near the destroyed Antonivskyi bridge.
“The enemy has already transferred 3 tanks with the help of a ferry.”
The river’s level has fallen significantly, and the Russians appear preoccupied at the moment.
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I am not convinced Putin is out, unless much more of the regular troops defect. But this will weaken him and fuel more opposition to the war in Ukraine. If he survives, I would expect he will push for a negotiated settlement to save face and then declare victory.
The Wagner guy does not have enough popular support to replace Putin. If Putin is replaced it will be someone else. It could be a hardliner, but even if it is, he will have enough problems to deal with besides Ukraine.
Meanwhile, I hope Ukraine takes advantage of the chaos and chase the demoralized Russians still in Ukraine back to the Russian border as much as possible. You would think some of the Russian troops are thinking who and what am I dying for here exactly.
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It’s entirely possible elements of the army and the intelligence services have coordinated with Prigozhin to drive Putin out of power and return Russia to where it stood internationally pre-Ukraine invasion. I think it’s unlikely to happen, but all of this really depends on what the army does. My guess is they would use Egypt 2013 as a model.
In February 2011, Mubarak desperately wanted his military to crack down on protestors in Tahir Square, but the military stood down and eventually sided with the protestors and he was deposed. Might that happen here? Possible, but it will all depend on what Shoigu and Gerasimov do. The bulk of the army will likely go where they go.
I don’t buy the idea that the conscripts and police force guarding Moscow can withstand an attack by battle hardened mercenaries. If the Wagner troops make it to Moscow in force, they might succeed in toppling Putin. Might.
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Jan and Tina prefer to keep Putin in power. I want the KGB killer thug removed. Deal with the next mf-er when necessary.
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Up until now, Ukraine attacks have been probing actions, testing the Russian defensive lines. With the attack across the Dnipro River, and the Russians preoccupied with what amounts to a civil war, this may a major campaign:
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BREAKING ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡
“The Armed Forces launched a large-scale counteroffensive” – Malyar
“Heavy fighting continues in all directions of the offensive. The enemy is on the defensive, making great efforts to stop our offensive actions.”
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“In the East, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched an offensive in several directions at the same time” — the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine.
In the direction of Orikhovo-Vasylivka, Bakhmut, Bohdanivka, Yahidne, Klishchiivka, Kurdyumivka. There is progress in all directions.”
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Just trying to keep it real from the war mongers. 25000 mercenaries. 5000 not even in the picture. More indeed will need to defect. Leaves 20000 about. How many among the mercenaries join in?
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It’s the Russian hoaxer. 7 years of falling for the Russian hoax. I know you are mad that your ccp assset aka the demented dictator is not poleing well.
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Nope, I am concerned with who replaces him and their nukes.
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Lol
War Monitor
@WarMonitors
⚡️The full statement of Lukashenko’s press service on the situation around Wagner PMC:
“This morning, Russian President Vladimir Putin briefed his Belarusian counterpart on the situation in southern Russia with the private military company Wagner. The heads of state agreed on joint actions.
In further development of the agreements, the President of Belarus, having additionally specified the situation through his own channels, in agreement with the President of Russia, held talks with the head of Wagner PMC Yevgeny Prigozhin.
Negotiations continued throughout the day. As a result, they came to agreements on the inadmissibility of unleashing a bloody massacre on the territory of Russia. Yevgeny Prigozhin accepted the proposal of President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko to stop the movement of armed persons of the Wagner company in Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tensions.
At the moment, on the table is an absolutely profitable and acceptable option for solving the situation, with security guarantees for the Wagner PMC fighters.
As previously reported, also today the President of Belarus held two meetings with the power bloc of the country on this situation”
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“Yevgeny Prigozhin accepted the proposal of President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko to stop the movement of armed persons of the Wagner company in Russia and take further steps to de-escalate tensions.”
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You’re fooling no one, toots. You support Putin and you have from day 1.
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Yet their co it use to be troop moments by the mercenaries , despite the above.
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Impeach the goblin.
Kingmaker – Big IF! (True)
@KingMakerFT
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Did everyone notice how AG Garland was enraged that anyone would criticize the DOJ by alleging it was politically biased and interfered in an IRS criminal investigation of the Biden’s, but nowhere did he say the WB allegations need to be investigated and heads should roll if true
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Medvedev is the one that concerns me.
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A message from Prigozhin’s press service: “We are very glad that at the moment we have managed to avoid bloodshed. We should not shoot at each other, we should destroy the Armed Forces of Ukraine and liberate the native Russian lands.” PMC Wagner wanted to disband. We left on June 23 for the march of justice. In a day we walked 200 km before reaching Moscow. During this time, we have not shed a single drop of the blood of our fighters. Now is the moment when blood can be shed. Therefore, realizing the full responsibility for the fact that Russian blood will be shed on one of the sides. We turn our columns around and head back to the field camps as planned.
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Sounds like this cia asset should see a shrink. I sure thr gubment will pay for it.
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Hoaxer is butt hurt. His Ccp asset president is not polling well.
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Perogi has only 5,000 troops that can ma4ch to Moscow. Lol. Good luck.
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I can’t ever remember a coup initiated by a bunch of mercenaries.
Just weird.
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They marched 200 km, only to return back to Ukraine/front lines, if the tweet and the composte are correct.
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Nothing more weirder than that.
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It seems like perogi and his mercenaries went out on strike for a day. I believe it’s called a “wildcat strike.”
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I still don’t understand why he (through his Twitter bots and Pushaw went anti vax and lied about Rds Covid response. Seems like we are over it. We just want Ccp reparations
Trump vs DeSantis | Full Field Polls from Top Pollsters
Their Latest:
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Avg – Trump 57.6% / RDS 17.6%
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Maybe perogi went off his meds? Who knows?
max seddon
@maxseddon
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Replying to @maxseddon
🚨 Prigozhin says Wagner is standing its coup attempt down and going back to Ukraine “according to the plan.”
https://t.me/concordgroup_official/1303
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Another idiot. Loon Cheney in a male body.
Will Hurd
@WillHurd
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1/3 The United States and our allies should help Ukraine establish a no-fly zone right now to protect against the increasing instability of a Russian civil war.
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I wonder how much the cia paid him to start and who/how much paid him to end it?
Sotiri Dimpinoudis
@sotiridi
#Update: Just in – Reports says that it is officially over, #Wagner group boss #Prigozhin says that he achieved his goal, despite from dozens of his followers saying they will leave the group after a weak Coup d’état, says they wanted more. This also ends my coverage of insurrection in #Russia. But i will post other videos of the retreating Wagner forces in a other thread.
11:02 AM · Jun 24, 2023
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This was some “coup” uh work strike
Kevin Rothrock
@KevinRothrock
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RT’s correspondent on the ground in Rostov-on-Don says the Wagnerites are already packi
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Mercenaries accepting money to stop their rebellion?
Shocking!
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Tina extremely relieved her beloved “pooty poot” might be able to resume bombing, killing and kidnapping Ukranians.
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I agree with this. I too have been deeply moved by the Hunter Biden “saga” and feel profoundly inspired by it. After reading this article, I am now full of hope.
This is why i admire the NYT so much. They get right to the crux of a story and report objectively on it.
“The real meaning of the Hunter Biden saga, as I see it, isn’t about presidential corruption, but is about how widespread addiction is–and about how a determined parent with unconditional love can sometimes reel a child back: https://nytimes.com/2023/06/24/opinion/father-hunter-biden-addiction.html That can give others hope.”
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Biden “reeled a child back”. What a man!
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Tina and Jan get their wish. A stronger Putin and more dead Ukrainians.
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Unfortunately, those pesky Ukrainians keep causing carnage by dying.
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Yup likely took our money to start and got bigger money from another party to end
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Has anyone done a welfare check on will, loon and goober?
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Maybe the “coup” was a head fake. Got the ukranians to move. Oh well if we had sound intelligence and not a bunch of jvers.
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Maybe they just wanted to grab a Tasty burger and fries (Russian version on Mickey D’s)?
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I have no idea what’s next in Ukraine or Russia after this Wagner drama. The only thing I know FOR SURE is the WEF wants full control of Ukraine and Russia is pretty messed up.
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I’m pro WEF just to spite JeffP.
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The WEF wants full control of the world!
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If true, money well spent.
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WEF must be the good guys if janzam and JeffP don’t like them.
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One could realize coup was a hoax. You had the Russian hoaxer, Vindman aka Chow stealer, and Malcolm Nance making claims.
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2 for 1 burger specials
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It’s time for the grifter to call the poodle aka the demented dictator and demand a cash infusion.
War Monitor
@WarMonitors
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⚡️#BREAKING Zelensky’s office disappointed with Prigozhin’s decision to withdraw forces — RIA
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Vindman and Nance are heroic individuals. Tina is a confused loser.
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“Russians gathering on the streets of Rostov to say goodbye to the Wagner Group, treating them like rockstars.”
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“Civilians chanting “Shame!” and “Traitors!” at the police units which arrived back in Rostov after Wagner units withdrew.”
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“Lesley🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇬🇧🇪🇸
5h
It doesn’t make sense prigozhin gave in to easy he must know he will be killed something doesn’t feel right we are not getting all the info of what’s happening”
Prigozhin likely got cold feet. He had no problem sending convicts to their death in Bakhmut. But facing death himself was another matter. He knew he was in over his head.
He likely will have a tragic accident soon. The question is how long the Russian generals will allow Putin to remain in power.
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I wonder if they threatened his family.
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Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦
So I guess the Wagner Group’s history, as well as the very idea of having an illegal unofficial mercenary army, is now over.
A predestined and infamous ending. A mercenary will always betray when he feels he’s strong enough.
5h
In other words, Prigozhin did exactly what he wanted – nothing but saving his own ass.
The army of his mercs didn’t matter, let alone justice, or the war, or the “destiny of Russia.”
7h
Meanwhile, Kadyrov’s forces must be still stuck in a traffic jam on their way to Rostov.
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We can only hope that Kadyrov gets pissed off at Putin at some point.
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The whole coup was far too dramatic and far too short to make any sense. It was almost as if it was politically choreographed, but for what reason or end? As for Prigozhin, he is simply a mercenary looking out for himself, not for Mother Russia or Ukraine. He and Putin share common characteristics of being cold, calculating and cruel. Like I posted earlier, he and the Wagner group are not knights on white horses type of figures who selflessly come in and fight to rescue people.
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No worries … tonight Trump just confirmed that he will be our “peacemaker” and that he will solve the conflict in Ukraine BEFORE he steps foot in the Oval Office.
Also tonight he keeps publicly saying inspite of a gag order he can take any top secret document he wants to MAL and he never has to give it back. Period. He was indicted by a grand jury for something.
The BS he is selling lately is un freaking believable.
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The person missing in this chaotic episode was Putin. Where is he? The President of Belarus did the negotiations with Prigozhin. Putin was nowhere to be found.
Vladimir, you can come out of hiding now!
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Donald Trump says he will end birthright citizenship by executive order.
Trump made this same promise in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, and 2020.
He had 4 years as president. But he didn’t actually do it.
True
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He is another paper tiger. Notice his convoy of troops never arrived in Rostov. Putin attracts allies who are weak buffoons.
Remember the lyrics from the song in Monty Python and the Holy Grail:
“When danger reared its ugly head, brave Sir Robin turned and fled.”
It about sums up Prigozhin. He expected to be appeased; not die in a war. Remember this is lightweight former chef who used to recruit prisoners as soldiers in battles in which they would face certain death. They were shot if they attempted to flee.
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Believe birthright citizenship is in the Constitution. Of course Trump wanted to suspend the Constitution so that he could immediately become President again. The man is a total nutjob. Trump and Prigozhin should get a room.
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AMENDMENT XIV. Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
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Looks like it.
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Putin may have gone to St Petersburg. There is going to be a meeting there, in 60 days, of Russia, the BRICS, China and a few other countries to discuss creating a new currency to trade with, ultimately to bring down the dollar. This has been in the works for some time.
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https://www.heritage.org/the-constitution/commentary/does-the-constitution-mandate-universal-birthright-citizenship-heres
Even though the U.S. government has long abided by a policy of universal birthright citizenship–that is, of treating all persons born in the United States as citizens, regardless of the immigration status of their parents–the reality is that the Constitution doesn’t mandate this policy.
In fact, while the Citizenship Clause eliminated race-based barriers to birthright citizenship, Congress expressly intended to limit birthright citizenship based on the strength of a person’s relationship to the United States.
More importantly, the government today needn’t amend the Constitution in order to restrict citizenship for the U.S.-born children of illegal or non-immigrant aliens. It could simply stop abiding by a broad policy never required by the Constitution in the first place.
The citizenship clause has had different interpretations over the years. I don’t think it has been tested in the courts, because how controversial it is. However, the US is unique, compared to how other countries dictate citizenship. In how it loosely grants it to people born here to parents who are here illegally.
IOW, Trump is not as “off” as many of you would like to label him as being.
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Yes,perogi is really found to take Moscow with 5,000 troops available. I have a red bridge to sell you.
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Going to*
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That likely explains his “cold feet”. Or it was a ruse missed by the intelligence services
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Where did he say thst? Is this the same sources from your Uranian links that lied about a widespread coup today?.
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It was one of his best speeches given in awhile.
Alex Thompson
@AlexThomp
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Every GOP candidate at the Faith and Freedom event had a firm clock (5-15 minutes) that flashed 🛑 Stop when there time was up
Trump approaching an hour and there’s no visible clock.
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Michael McFaul can join. Chow hoarder, Goober, etc. what an idiot.
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“Prigozhin
“They wanted to disband Wagner. We walked 200 km before reaching Moscow.
Now is the moment when blood can be shed. Realizing that blood may be shed now, we are turning the columns around and going in the opposite direction to the field camps.” 🤡”
Do you think he was paid in rubles or gold?
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“Convicts from Storm Z unit who voiced support for Prigozhin’s march yesterday recorded another address to Prigozhin accusing him of backing down. While they use a lot of convict speak and look convincing, it may not be sensible to reveal themselves like that.
Regardless, such sentiment is not uncommon in the Russian forces after Prigozhin stopped without reaching Moscow.”
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“Remember the Storm-Z soldiers who pledged loyalty to Prigozhin yesterday? Well, tables have turned again.
They accuse him on backing down and lying, even calling him a pussy.”
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“The United States knew in advance about Prigozhin’s rebellion, but did not want to interfere with the split within Russia
According to the Washington Post, American intelligence received such signals as early as mid-June.”
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“3h
Kadyrovites published an embarrasing video of their forces in Kolomna, Moscow region. While Wagner has long left, they pretend to be looking for Wagner troops.
The real story is they weren’t able to reach Wagner at all because they got stuck in several traffic jams”
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I saw that heretic Paula White was speaking last night as a warm up. It doesn’t surprise me that Trumps BS was appealing to that F & F crowd last night.
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We walked 200 km before reaching Moscow.”
Zzzzzz…. as I pointed out yesterday the distance between Rostov and Moscow is at least 1000km.
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I know this will be disappointing for the Putin Stooges and Lapdogs like JeffP, Tina, and Jan, but this whole thing has diminished Putin’s stature within Russia. When you have your troops digging trenches outside your capital because you are afraid of an army of mercenary convicts it doesn’t do much for your image of invincibility. The days of the Wagner Group operating independently and doing most of the dying for mother Russia are over. Some will fade into the countryside and others will continue to be used under closer supervision, but Putin is not going to allow a rogue army anymore. Putin controls the media but discontent about the war and his leadership will only grow. Some things like the Prigozhin’s statement that Russia invaded without cause and the objective was to pillage the Donbas and Ukraine of its resources can’t be taken back, and Zelensky will use it to Ukraine’s advantage. In addition, it probably weakened Putin’s grip on Belarus and other puppet states.
Putin put down the rebellion, as I predicted he would, but the fact it happened at all did not help the cause of a new USSR or Greater Russia.
But JeffP, Tina and Jan and other Putin sycophants can rejoice that their hero Putin can now return to bombing, killing, displacing, raping, torturing and exiling Ukrainians.
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2024 Presidential Election Poll
(D) Biden: 49% (+4)
(R) Trump: 45%
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(R) DeSantis: 47% (=)
(D) Biden: 47%
@NBCNews | 1,000 RV | 06/16-20
nbcnews.com/meet-the-press…
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Actually if this is an opportunity for Ukraine to end the killing that would be great.
I am more concerned about how foreign policy impacts our national security and protecting our national sovereignty. That is the debate to have.
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Warmongers. Cope.
Kevin Rothrock
@KevinRothrock
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Wow. Wagner Group’s recruiting center in Voronezh has reportedly reopened. https://t.me/rtvimain/77861
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“6h
3 years ago, Lukashenko arrested 33 Wagner members on the suspicion of organizing a coup against him ahead of the presidential election.
Now, this is supposed to be Prigozhin’s new home?”
It won’t end well…
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Tina only loves Putin.
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Russia is doing the killing. Russia can end the killing whenever they want to do so.
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Real Clear Polling Average 6/8 – 6/20
Biden 43.7%
Trump 43.6%
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Allowing a large nation to invade a smaller sovereign nation creates insecurity in the world and at home. Allowing a large nation to invade a smaller sovereign nation makes other nations (China) think that they can invade a neighbor.
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Toss the nbc poll. History of bad poles. Plus, it was done by a Desantis linked pollster apparently, if the tweet below is accurate.
Steven Cheung
@TheStevenCheung
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NEW POLL: President Trump EXPANDS his lead, while DeSantis is SHRINKING.
Trump – 51
DeSantis – 22
The kicker… this was done by a DeSantis-linked pollster.
https://nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read/trumps-gop-lead-grows-latest-indictment-poll-finds-rcna90420
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COOK v NARA
758 F.3d 168 (2014)
2d Circuit
Historical analysis by the Court of Appeals held that a former POTUS has “unrestricted” & “unfettered” access to his Presidential records. NARA can’t “police” him.🚨
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Often times, the cia will pay in cash or gold. Perogi was bought and re bought.
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I think a reasonable negotiated settlement MIGHT include:
1. Russia leaves but gets to annex Crimea, and small parts of Donetsk and Luhansk. Russia rejoins the world community, release Russian assets and remove embargoes. Russia provides reparations for rebuilding Ukraine.
2. Ukraine gets to be a free nation.
But Russia won’t agree to such a settlement until they face further losses in the battlefield. Or further internal chaos. I can’t think of another way to get Russia to come to such a negotiation.
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Does blinker still share his wife with Hunter?
RNC Research
@RNCResearch
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“On Vladimir Putin — last year, the president said, ‘For God’s sake, this man cannot remain in power.’ Is that still the American position?”
BLINKEN: “These are decisions for Russian people and this entire chapter is an internal matter.”
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Actually if this is an opportunity for Ukraine to end the killing that would be great.”
LOL
Brainwashed Putin lapdog stooge is unhinged.
The Russians are doing the killing. Ukraine is defending itself.
GFY if you really are that stupid.
Btw, the “if” is rhetorical
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“@LauraLoomer
I truly believe the US Government is working with the CIA to stage a coup in Russia to oust Putin so that Joe Biden can campaign on toppling Putin in 2024.
Just seems like this is all coordinated so Biden can take credit for ending the Ukraine-Russia war and pretend to be a hero.
The US government is the biggest terrorist organization in the world.”
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Democrats are now confronted with a fork in the road moment.
Continue to double down on Joe or cut him loose.
Double down means they place a huge bet that the MSM can continue to cover for him and that the scandals can still be contained. It also assumes that running against a weakened Donald Trump will be enough to get him through. It also is a gamble that Biden’s mental and cognitive decline won’t get any worse in the year and a half before the GE. Those are all huge gambles and the odds aren’t good for any of them.
The other path is to assume things for an already unpopular Joe Biden will only get worse and they must cut him loose. If they decide to go that route, then they need to start doing it now.
Watch the Washington Post and NYT coverage of Joe Biden very closely. CNN and NBC are already starting report on Joe’s corruption news. If the Post and Times begin to follow suite then you know the decision has been made by the Democratic Party powers that be and Biden is being forced to withdraw.
Watch the MSM coverage in the coming days. It will tell you all you need to know.
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The goal is to beat the Woke Commie Dems. It really doesn’t matter what poll. Trump is losing independents by large numbers.
The denial Trump supporters are living is being fueled by a sincere righteous anger toward the corruption in the Biden DOJ and FBI. Trump is feeding that anger any time he can. It isn’t going to win a national election. Trump has bought into a wrong legal interpretation of the PRA and conservative sycophants echo it over and over. Forgetting a grand jury in Florida found reasonable cause for 37 indictments. It is also being leaked the DOJ has had several people that have testified before a grand jury in DC regarding January 6th in the last few weeks. Including Mark Meadows.
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Tina all that poll does is verify the strategy of using Trump as controlled opposition.
It’s a NBC poll not DeSantis campaign.
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Ukraine ending killing by driving Russia out…and since you like using names…stupid.
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I also toss anything from trumps pollster.
Rich Baris “The People’s Pundit”
@Peoples_Pundit
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Yep, the NBC News Poll is jointly conducted by Hillary Clinton’s pollster (Hart) and Ron DeSantis’ pollster (PoS).
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Good point. Russian hoaxer and others will need to do a code red and start pimping for Governor Nuissance
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They need to negotiate a settlement. One cannot continue with the carnage on either side. We also cannot afford to be paying large sums of mo ey to the grifter. This will ruin us like it did in 2008 when bush got us into the worse downturn since the depression. Signs are out there that the economy is in twubble.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12215535/Republican-problems-suburban-women-deeper-Donald-Trump.html
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Agree.
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I don’t believe a thing that hack tweets.
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They have it all figured out I am sure. Using Trump as controlled opposition to divide the GOP and keep DeSantis from gaining momentum is also a factor in their calculations as well.
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To be honest I think naive regarding foreign policy.
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…..and then if Democrats dump Biden they have two realistic choices – Harris or Newsome. Both with the obvious the baggage. Michelle isn’t running.
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I think a reasonable negotiated settlement MIGHT include:
1. Russia leaves but gets to annex Crimea, and small parts of Donetsk and Luhansk. Russia rejoins the world community, release Russian assets and remove embargoes. Russia provides reparations for rebuilding Ukraine.
2. Ukraine gets to be a free nation.”
Reasonable but only one problem. All that was the status quo pre-invasion.
The problem for Putin is how do you justify 100k deaths, untold more wounded, and tens of billions of lost equipment so you end up where your started.
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Since the NBC poll is being referred to…
SWING STATE POLL
Biden: 48% (+2)
Trump: 46%
Biden: 44%
DeSantis: 50% (+6)
Source: NBC News
The eight-point difference in swing states is entirely consistent with most state level polling.
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Now tell me who the Woke Commie Dems want to run against.
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We also cannot afford to be paying large sums of mo ey to the grifter. ”
Zzzzz…..
Tina the Putin toady talks about the “grifter” while ignoring Putin’s war crimes. Shameful and despicable.
The money is not going to Zelensky, its going to the battlefield where the Ukrainians are managing to hold off the Russians from taking over their country.
Just come right out and be honest for once, and admit THAT is why you have a problem wit aid to Ukraine. The fact it hasn’t allowed your icon Pooty Poot to win. Admit that no amount of death and destruction are too much for you as long as your hero wins.
The truth will set you free.
You lie almost as much as Amoral Scumbag.
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Press Release (parody)
@AOCpressTwo
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We should just send Ukraine one lump sum of 5 trillion dollars instead of sending millions every week.
This will save a ton of money on bank transfer fees.
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I voted for Trump twice in the GE. I’ll vote for him again if he is the nominee. I will not vote for him in a primary. I want to win. Trump isn’t winning a GE when he’s down double digits with independents – and that’s down with independents to a pathetic Joe Biden. It’s simple math. Trump is the reason Democrats haven’t thrown Joe overboard as of yet. Trump is the Democratic salvation in any GE. They are counting on Republicans to nominate him.
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The suburban vote is just part of the equation. Unless the R nominee can lock down the blue collar vote that helped Trump win and have a unified base no amount of “suburban women” is going to help.
That is why the TDS morons are actually helping the Dems. The more you insult the R base voters because that somehow will please “suburban women” the less chance a R nominee is going to have to win the GE.
I have warned for over a year that wishing for a R civil war was stupid and self defeating.
The TDS morons have the R civil war they wanted. Look at social media, positions are hardening by the minute and rallying around the R nominee later becomes less likely.
But the TDS morons like JeffP were never known for seeing the forest beyond the Trump tree. While they gleefully proclaim “we cut down Trump” the Dems harvest the forest.
You reap what you sow.
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The only way to convince Putin to negotiate is with more defeats on the battlefield.
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I’m not sure what they do with Kamala.
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NBC POLL: “Just 20% of voters believe this country is headed in the right direction. 74% say the nation is on the wrong track.”
But heck, let’s not take advantage of that. Let’s concentrate on insulting Trump supporters.
Every poll has Trump at at least 50% among Rs. The idea that attacking these people is going to produce any results is a fallacy on TDS morons can believe in.
When your strategy is to alienate half of the party’s voters instead of trying to persuade them to support a better candidate you have a losing strategy.
If the Dems win control of the Presidency and both houses, they will implement the HR1 voting bill, expand SCOTUS, make DC and PR states, and legalize all illegal aliens either here or that will come here. They will institute all kinds of media control. They will defacto revoke the 2nd amendment. They will completely socialize health care. They will expand government to new levels and weaponize it against all dissent. If Rs are having trouble winning elections now, try winning when all that is in place.
But hey, ignore all that, make this about 78 year old billionaire Trump.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12231255/Kremlin-faces-deeply-unstable-situation-Wagner-rebellion-exposed-regimes-weakness.html
Analysts at the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) allege the ‘short-term fix’ of an apparent truce with the Wagner Group will likely ‘substantially damage’ Putin’s government and war efforts, claiming it demonstrated security weaknesses and the ‘inability’ to repel internal threats quickly.
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I have to agree with Jason regarding his TDS comments. Trump remains a political phenomenon repelling many people, but also attracts a large swath of voters. Denying or belittling the accomplishments during his first term in office only deepens the loyalty of those who found them beneficial. It also creates even greater divisions in an already divided Republican Party – a party that should wisely seek more unity if it hopes to win the presidency in 2024. I personally think all conservative candidates should stop railing at each other (including Trump, DeSantis, and Christie), and aim all their criticisms at the Biden Family, where there is more than enough canon fodder to use against such a corrupt administration.
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Bill Ackman
@BillAckman
This ‘coup’ and its aftermath make no sense. How can Prighozin trust a security guarantee from Putin after launching a coup, destroying Russian aircraft, and disparaging the MoD leadership? How can it be that Wagner just drove from Ukraine to the environs of Moscow with no resistance or lives lost? It only makes sense if Putin and Prighozin remain on great terms, which implies a totally coordinated act. What am I missing?
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https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230625-greece-votes-with-conservative-premier-favourite-to-win
A 2nd term has just been won by a Greek conservative. There has been good economic growth under his leadership – something absent in Greek government for years. I hope we can pull ourselves together in the US in order to achieve similar results.
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Maybe Putin knows that if the Wagner head falls out of a window that many Russians will be angry. He gets to pretend he is listening to the will of the people while putting the rival in exile.
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Trumps the one causing the division. Your mantra is old.
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Jan will accept any praise of Trump. I think that if Trump is the nominees, he will lose convincingly and no fraud will be necessary. Still, I would vote for him while expecting him to lose.
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Exactly…
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Your stupid straw man argument amounts to the crowning Trump as the nominee because he deserves it and not upset his cult supporters.
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Trump has been used as controlled opposition to cost the GOP the house twice and Senate twice. The “TDS morons” have nothing to do with his crappy record of losing.
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If you cannot see Trump continues to be used as controlled opposition your not reading the room.
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Peroghi was not taken out within 48 hours by pooty poot. Now the Wagner mercenaries are 100km outside of Kiev. Something stinks here regarding the “coup”.
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I bet Prigozhin dies when he falls out of a basement window in Belarus.
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With all the propaganda I never know what’s true regarding this war. Apparently tactical nukes are now in Belarus and you really have to wonder what that is about. I do wonder how desperate Putin will get with all the talk of Ukraine fast tracking into NATO. It’s his “red line”. Will he be passive or make a play for Kiev. It’s hard to know, but time is running out.
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Russians are admitting Ukrainians have crossed the Dnipro River in Kherson:
“Interesting update from Russian channel Two Majors about the situation on the left bank near the Antonivskyi bridge.
“The enemy holds a small foothold on our coast for at least three days. The units of the Russian Armed Forces withdrew from the area, as the constant action of enemy artillery and SOF of the enemy created a threat of encirclement of our forces. They retreated with battles, neighboring units came to the rescue. As a result of the fighting, the Russian Armed Forces suffered losses.”
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I give Trump credit where it’s due, and criticize him when it’s deserved. Since most here dislike him, I tend to balance the scales by apprising his successes more, as there are more than enough here to list and magnify his failures. If trump wins the nomination I will most likely vote for him in the GE. If he loses the nomination I will most likely vote for who that R nominee is in the GE.
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“2h
Igor Girkin (Strelkov) calls on Putin to step down”
Girkin is a prominent hardline Russian blogger, who has called for a Russian general mobilization to defeat Ukraine.
Putin still has not reappeared after fleeing Moscow.
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I’m blocking every person on twitter that repeats this ignorant “Wagner is 100 km from Kiev” shit.
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Russians are admitting Ukrainians have crossed the Dnipro River in Kherson”
More lies from the Nazi pigs. There are no Ukrainian troops in the Motherland.
This is what happens when you listen to news outside of the beacon of truth, the TASS Agency.
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Apparently tactical nukes are now in Belarus and you really have to wonder what that is about. I do wonder how desperate Putin will get with all the talk of Ukraine fast tracking into NATO. It’s his “red line”.”
Zzzzzzz….. here we go again, we have to surrender unilaterally because Putin has nukes?
How about we start drawing our own red lines and stop worrying about Putin’s “red lines”?
Putin has no say on what Ukraine can or cannot do. We can start with that red line.
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JeffP
June 25, 2023 at 3:22 pm
If you cannot see Trump continues to be used as controlled opposition your not reading the room.”
If you think using MSNBC and Hillary Clinton talking points against Trump is going to hurt his primary poll numbers you are not reading the room.
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It’s not a talking point. What rock have you been living under? They have been doing it since the 2018 election.
The Woke Commie Dems biggest nightmare is DeSantis. The GOP is stupid enough to nominate someone facing federal charges I will give you that. It would be an abject failure.
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JeffP – did you watch the speeches of both DeSantis and Trump at the Faith and Freedom event this weekend? I made an effort to hear those 2 candidates because they are the formidable ones competing for office thus far. DeSantis did a fine job addressing most of the issues important to conservative voters. He received a number of hearty applauses from the audience as well. The one thing, though, that was missing, IMO, was strength and conviction in his delivery. As one commentator said afterwards, it was like he was reading points written by someone else, and consequently sounded dry and rehearsed.
Trump, bring the keynote speaker, came out to a hero’s welcome. He warmly engaged with the crowd, held their enthusiastic attention for almost 90 minutes, frequently spoke spontaneously, attacked his points of contention with Biden vigorously, and was plain and simple very impressive. I don’t know where he gets his gusto and drive, as so many are working against him. However, the working, religious, Mom’s for Liberty, Cubans, Hispanics, African Americans all seem to have his back. He is a force to be reckoned with despite all the havoc the left, establishment politicians, pundits, legacy news media are raining on him.
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@McFaul
The sooner Putin fears he is losing the war, the faster he will negotiate.
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So Ukraine joins NATO. Does anyone really believe that Putin will then commit suicide by starting a nuclear war? He will continue to saber rattle because he knows it frightens the timid. This is a guy who flew away and hid when Prigozhin and a group of ex-cons started to march against him. Even now he has not yet emerged from his hiding place.
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If this person is serious, can he or she explain how he would do so with 5,000 troops?
Insider Paper
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JUST IN – A senior U.S. official says it is a mystery as to why Wagner Group chief Yevgeny Prigozhin stopped his march to Moscow given that he was seemingly in a dominant position. – ABC
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The guy is a mercenary. He was bought off. Not a shocker.
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A dominant position? A ragtag army of 5,000 ex-cons versus 50,000-100,000 Russian troops in the vicinity of Moscow, as well as the Russian Air Force.
There was a reason that Prigozhin had armed military guards behind the Wagner forces in Ukraine to shoot any deserters. When things got bad, Wagner forces were known to cut and run.
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My guess is that there was supposed to be a coup accomplice in the regular military that backed out of the deal. With the renigging of that plan, Prigozhin looked for any ticket out of the mess.
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he GOP is stupid enough to nominate someone facing federal charges I will give you that. It would be an abject failure.”
Zzzzzz….. TDS morons like you actually believe these “federal charges” are anything but political persecution and a double standard of justice.
It’s funny how you talk about how the commies have taken over the institutions but then when they use that power for bogus prosecutions against somebody you don’t like all of a sudden you are all for them. Like all other TDS moron and the Democrats, you think the ends justify the means.
You are a flaming hypocrite in addition to being a moron.
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🇺🇦 Ukraine Weapons Tracker
“#Ukraine: The Ukrainian army continues to receive Iranian-made 🇮🇷 ammunition – and for the first time it is made in 2023.
Here we can see an Iranian OF-462 122mm HE projectile for D-30/2S1 howitzers of the first lot of 2023.”
Iran apparently is more concerned with revenue than taking sides.
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Jan that’s fine. I hope you take pleasure in assuring four years of Woke Commie Dem control and more destruction.
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Yes an abject failure.
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The only way to beat the Commies and their bogus prosecutions is to win elections. Anyone buying Trumps BS is a brainwashed tool and enabling defeat.
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WSJ:
“The entire system has lost yesterday, including Prigozhin, who is also part of the system,” said Andrei Kolesnikov, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment who was in Moscow on Saturday. As for Putin, he added, “it turned out that the czar is not a real czar because he couldn’t control a man from his own system who’s supposed to be under his full control.”
As a result, the authority and self-image of the Russian state has sustained lasting damage, likely fueling future challenges to its writ regardless of what happens to Prigozhin. That is especially so as the war in Ukraine, which helped precipitate the Wagner mutiny, continues raging with no end in sight, causing mounting casualties on both sides.”
I made this point. Despite the Putin lapdogs here claiming this is a big win for their hero Putin, the fact is this did nothing for his image as some kind of invincible icon. The panicky appearance on TV telling people to stay in their homes and the images of backhoes digging trenches on the outskirts of Moscow will be lasting memories.
IMO, Prigozhin was bought off, which is easy to do with mercenaries. But he probably was not bought off with more weapons and power, because that would enhance his chances of becoming an even bigger problem in the future. It was probably money.
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Anyone buying Trumps BS is a brainwashed tool and enabling defeat”
LOL
This from someone addicted to Russian propaganda and MSNBC talking points and who actually believes the unsupported fantasies of a octogenarian discredited far left hack like Seymour Hersh.
You gotta love it here.
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I have to laugh every time I see a national GOP primary poll. Seems like a broken record to have to keep saying this every four years, but there is no such thing as a national GOP primary day. The only polls that matter at this point are polls of Iowa and maybe New Hampshire. The results of these contests will significantly impact the outcomes in Nevada, South Carolina, and Michigan, and then the results in those states will significantly impact what happens on March 5 Super Tuesday.
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Joe Cunningham at Redstate is a a TDS moron, but he is right on the money with this statement. Yes, exactly what I have been saying.
“It’s extremely likely, however, that Trump isn’t going to bow out, which makes the challenge that much harder for the NotTrump candidates, particularly Ron DeSantis. The primary has to go through Trump, but it has to be done in a way that doesn’t alienate Trump supporters (not the loud, obnoxious voices on social media, but the regular voter who likes Trump but also likes to win elections). I could not begin to tell you if such a road exists, but you can bet that every single campaign that is serious about winning is exploring and focus-grouping ways to find that path.”
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Bitter, ask Dave if he will let you have the HHR archives before the site goes black. Do we really want to lose 15 years of valuable comments?
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Adam Schiff
@AdamSchiff
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MAGA Republicans officially censured me — one step below expulsion — because I upheld my oath of office and held Trump accountable for his many abuses of power.
Can I count on you to have my back and chip in today?”
Where do I send the check?
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Don’t threaten. Do it. No more negotiations with Wrong Wray and the goblin,
Benny Johnson
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🚨 BREAKING: House Speaker Kevin McCarthy says he’ll start impeachment of Attorney General Merrick Garland by July 6 over bombshell IRS whistleblower testimony that he interfered in criminal investigation into Hunter Biden
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REPORTS 🇪🇺 🇺🇦
Pro-Russian propagandist Sasha Kots admits that Russian forces withdrew from Dachi, the small village on the left bank of the Kherson region near the Antonivskyi bridge. Ukrainians have a bridgehead.
“In the last week, enemy activity on the Dnipro in the area of the Antonovskyi bridge has grown abnormally. The intensity of crossings to our shore along the shallowed river has increased manifold. Today we have to state that Ukrainians has entrenched itself on the left bank and is trying to expand the foothold. Our groups from this zone are evacuated with fighting so that they are not cut off from the main forces.”
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Disneys stock has collapsed due to bad business decisions. This includes one movie flop after another. Estimates for the flops total almost $1 billion in losses. Sure, the feud with Rds did not help, but there is more to the story, specifically bad Disney decisions.
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“the regular voter who likes Trump but also likes to win elections” People are already waking up. I doubt a few Twitter “influencers” will make any difference on these people. Reality is already beginning to set in despite what the polls say.
DeSantis is running against Biden … Trump is running against DeSantis and making promises he would never keep.
The cult followers don’t really care about winning elections.
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Evidently we knew of Pergohis decision months ago. I bet we will soon find out that the cia paid $ to Perogi. Looks like our intelligence services failed again.
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Very similar to other polls that have recently been release:
“The Presidential Foundation and the Ronald Reagan Institute released the results of a survey of American citizens regarding foreign policy:
76% of respondents answered that Ukraine’s victory is important for the United States
Among supporters of the Democrats, the level of support was 86%. Among Republicans, the figure is slightly lower – 71%,
In addition, 59% of Americans support the provision of military assistance to Ukraine from the United States, while 30% oppose it.”
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76% of respondents answered that Ukraine’s victory is important for the United States’
Actually depressing that a quarter of Americans don’t understand that.
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Actually, Ukraine’s victory is VITAL to the United States. I fixed it.
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Anyone want to claim that Putin will not try to kill Prigozhin? Come on Putin appeasers, stand up for your man — but don’t do it near a window:
“Speaking on CNN’s “State of the Union,” retired Gen. David Petraeus seemingly was referencing the number of prominent Russians who have died in unclear circumstances, including in falls from windows, since Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022.
As part of the deal for Yevgeny Prigozhin to stop the march on Moscow by his Wagner mercenaries, he agreed to go into exile in neighboring Belarus, whose leader is a staunch ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“Prigozhin kept his life, but lost his Wagner Group,” Petraeus said. “And he should be very careful around open windows in his new surroundings in Belarus, where he’s going.”
Among those who have died in unclear circumstances was the chairman of the board of Russia’s largest private oil company, which criticized Russia’s military operation in Ukraine. He fell out of a hospital window in September of last year.”
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There are rumors that the Pentagon’s $6 billion error had some of that money go to Prigozhin as a pay-off, dealing with the dramatic coup attempt. Again mercenaries thrive on money payments, either stolen or paid to create chaos. Whatever the details are, I agree that the CIA had a role in the faux rebellion.
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Prigozhin probably will get a big villa in Minsk where he can write his memoirs. But you are right, he should have bars on the windows.
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“Russian intelligence services threatened to harm the families of Wagner leaders before Yevgeny Prigozhin called off his advance on Moscow, reports The Telegraph, claiming as a source the UK security sources.”
Another Putin charm offensive.
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Wanted to give JeffP some happiness this morning. From The Hill:
“CNN poll found that although the former president is still at the head of the GOP field by a wide margin, his support among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents dipped 6 points after he was indicted and arraigned on 37 federal criminal charges in connection with the Justice Department’s classified documents probe.
Among Republicans and Republican-leaning independents surveyed, 47 percent said last week that they support Trump for the GOP nomination, down from 53 percent who said the same last month. “
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Among supporters of the Democrats, the level of support was 86%. Among Republicans, the figure is slightly lower – 71%”
Another depressing result. The R party I used to belong to understood the importance of protecting our interests and those of our allies abroad and the importance of our alliances in maintaining political and economic stability in all areas of strategic interest including Europe, the Middle East and Asia.
The fact more Democrats than Republicans understand that keeping Putin from recreating the Soviet Union or a Greater Russia NOW is much cheaper in the long run is sad.
But the silver lining is the vast majority of American SUPPORT aid to Ukraine and understand defeating the Russians is important, so I will take it.
The Republican leadership in the House and Senate should definitely take this poll into account and stop playing games when it comes to approving aid to Ukraine.
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JeffP if that poll is to be taken seriously then the most “popular” group/movement is BLM. If that’s the case why has their brand and fundraising gone south? Furthermore, some of the most active conservative energy has been through sub-groups formed under MAGA like precinct strategy and various mom organizations pushing back on CRT curriculum and child grooming practices. Finally, you probably didn’t catch the MI Lincoln Day Dinner event, where a large number of republicans met in the second largest county to give DJT the “Man of the Decade” award.
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@s_hnizdovskyi
“During the Russian war in Ukraine, Prigozhin has built an image of a person who lives the life of a soldier, appears on cameras as a stern and rough warrior. But, his life is far from resembling those soldiers who try to earn smith at war having no opportunities back in Russia. He owns a huge fortune and lives the rich life. He ownes:
🔻 A private Hawker plane for €2 million. Because of sanctions, it has been parked at Berlin-Brandenburg airport for several years. Prigozhin denies the ownership.
🔻 The Sankt Vitamin yacht for €6 million with six bedrooms, a terrace, a kitchen and rooms for servants.
🔻 A palace near a nature reserve on the Black Sea that can be worth of € 100-150 million. The property was discovered by
@navalny
🔻Prigozhin is particularly fond of horses and luxury cars. One of them is a luxury retro Cadillac.
🔻His wife Lyubov owns spas, a chocolate factory and a chocolate museum in St.”
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Regarding getting the Hedgehog archives from Dave, the answer is yes. Maxwell’s farewell post is a priceless piece of history. It must be preserved!
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Smiths case is weak.
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There is a problem with the subpoena. It was not addressed ro trump,personally. It was addressed ro thr office. Which is a gubmental agency. Lol
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Here is Trump supporting NATO in 2017, and opposing Russian activity in Ukraine. Trump’s warning to Putin sounds pretty clear. Putin feared Trump, but but did not fear Biden:
“We urge Russia to cease its destabilising activities in Ukraine and elsewhere and its support for hostile regimes including Syria and Iran, and to instead join the community of responsible nations in our fight against common enemies and the defence of civilization itself,” he said.
The Kremlin said Russia was not guilty of any destabilising activity.
The brief visit to Warsaw, which included a meeting with regional heads of state, was billed by the White House as an effort to patch up relations with European allies after a tense NATO summit in May.
Trump was received by enthusiastic crowds on a central Warsaw square – some 15,000 people according to police estimates – many arriving on busses arranged by parliamentary deputies of the ruling conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party.
People carried U.S. flags or placards with photographs of Polish President Andrzej Duda and Trump. Some wore t-shirts with American flag colours and many chanted the president’s name.
Trump reiterated his criticism of low defence spending levels by many European nations and praised Poland for meeting the alliance’s target of spending 2 percent of economic output on defence.
“To those who would criticise our tough stance, I would point out that the United States has demonstrated not merely with words but with its actions that we stand firmly behind Article 5, the mutual defence commitment,” he said to applause.
Article Five of NATO’s 1949 founding charter states that an attack on any member is an attack on all, and allies must render assistance, military if need be.”
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That 2017 piece were the days when the US operated under clear guidelines and boundaries towards a country we considered more a foe than a friend. Even though DJT cautioned Russia about destabilizing aggression in Ukraine, it was delivered in a way not to totally alienate and cut off diplomatic relationships with Putin like Biden has done. Walking a fine line of strength, with guardrails of diplomacy in place, is tricky but more effective in discouraging invasions as well as wars. Biden has been dismal in all phases dealing with not only Ukraine but other foreign leaders and affairs – the Afghan fiasco, ME estrangement, encouraging coalitions to form that don’t include the U.S., encouraging China’s expansion by acting like a noodle. Whoever wins the presidential election in 2024 has to have definitive standards/goals, along with the courage to execute them not recklessly but decisively. IOW, exactly the opposite of how Biden’s presidency has operated.
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https://www.politico.eu/article/investigation-against-wagner-chief-still-ongoing-reports/
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it was delivered in a way not to totally alienate and cut off diplomatic relationships with Putin like Biden has done.”
Hello? Putin invaded Ukraine and is responsible for unspeakable carnage and the displacement of ten million people, the killing of tens of thousands of civilians, the bombing and shelling of cities and residential areas, hospitals, schools and infrastructure and the destruction of Ukraine’s economy and you are worried about “alienating Putin”?
Seriously?
Biden has not been “dismal” in Ukraine. He has taken a strong stance against Russia which by the way any rational Republican should support (and have).
Now did Biden’s weakness as a President encourage Putin in Ukraine? Maybe. Personally I doubt whether Putin would have invaded with Trump as President.
However, once the invasion happened, I cannot fault Biden’s response. He has done the right thing in helping Ukraine fight off the Russians. There is a lot of bad in Biden’s presidency, but aiding Ukraine is not one of them.
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tinahhr
June 26, 2023 at 11:19 am
Smiths case is weak. ”
Of course it is, like all politically motivated stunts. If you read the indictment, it is the “throw every bit of mud against the wall and pray like hell something will stick” style of prosecution. It starts with an accusation followed by page after page of BS that never supports the accusation.
But it may not matter depending on the judge and the venue.
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Totally agree with what Jason said.
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I did watch both speeches BTW. DeSantis gets things done and Trump is a bunch of BS.
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And pro life, anti child grooming and moms organizations are lining up under DeSantis.
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I think Putin would have invaded even if Trump was President. Putin does what he wants.
I asked Dave about access to the Archives. I will let you know if/how it can be accessed.
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We dealt with Wagner mercenaries in Syria. Trump took out a lot of them. But muh mean tweete
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Jason, you love to distort other’s comments and foment discord in order to make points.
When Trump said those words, Russia did not invade Ukraine. Full stop! It was only after Biden shuffled into the WH, and first hedged on how much Russian land grab would be tolerated before the U.S. would take action, after which Biden pulled muscle on Putin that the invasion happened. Biden totally mishandled the conflict, and now you’re complimenting him because of pouring money into a proxy war with Russia, much more than the EU and NATO are doing. Plus no one here is addressing that Russia is doing fine, selling it’s oil to others, forming alliances with China (which never would have happened if Biden hadn’t indirectly forced the alliance), and creating ties with other countries like India to advance trading with currencies other than the dollar. If we lose our currency advantage our economy is heading south towards a Venezuelan type. There are so many more facets to this Ukrainian event, including how much more the Ukrainian people are suffering under the myopic policies of US war hawks, Russian warlords, and those who make a good living selling weapons.
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BREAKING:
“A source in the Russian Prosecutor General’s Office has told TASS that the criminal case against Prigozhin hasn’t been closed after all.
No amnesty for Prigozhin?”
The ultimate question will be did Prigozhin fall out of the window or get pushed.
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200-300 were killed, Russia only returned to collect what were thought to be Wagner mercenaries.
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Now that Tinfoil’s favorite dictator survived an armed mutiny, she can return to pretending to be an expert on the presidential records act.
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Air Defender was the largest deployment exercise of air forces in #NATO’s history, with NATO members
🇩🇪🇺🇸🇱🇺🇵🇱🇫🇷🇪🇸🇱🇻🇵🇹🇮🇹🇭🇺🇬🇧🇱🇹🇹🇷🇷🇴🇪🇪🇫🇮🇧🇪🇩🇰🇸🇮🇳🇴🇬🇷🇧🇬&partners🇸🇪🇯🇵🇭🇷
Allied air power defends shared values & strengthen vital partnerships to deter aggression worldwide
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Well, okay then…
“The Wagner mercenary group will continue operations in Mali and the Central African Republic despite its leader’s aborted insurrection over the weekend, Russia’s foreign minister said on Monday.
Wagner members “are working there as instructors. This work, of course, will continue”, Sergei Lavrov said in an interview with the RT outlet.”
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Don Lemon is more full of crap than Amoral Scumbag?
I” have a responsibility — not only as a journalist but as an American — to tell the truth and to abide by the promises of the Constitution. Because the Constitution says a more perfect union, not a perfect union. I’m not a perfect person. No one is…In order to fulfill the promise of the Constitution, we have to stand up for what is right. We have to stand up for the truth.”
Nahhh….
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@LucasFoxNews
Five years ago, the U.S. military got into a scrap with the Wagner Group in Syria. After U.S. troops were attacked, Defense Secretary Mattis ordered airstrikes killing hundreds of mercenaries. Asked about the incident Mattis later told a reporter, “They never bothered us again.”
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Those numbers are not good for a one term incumbent. His numbers are soft. I would say about 30-35% will vote for Trump regardless. The issue is will the other not Trump candidates clear the field early in the primary. Reality will set in by the end of the year and a lot can happen.
I am sure McCarthy doesn’t want to give up the gavel after two years in the majority. Panic might set in before Iowa within the party if Trump is still leading by large numbers in the polls while involved in a Federal trial. Of course if Trump losses he will say it’s rigged.
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Raoul Pal explained the Everything Code last month on this podcast
It’s critical everyone grasp this to understand the world at the moment.
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Sam Stein
@samstein
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Trump with some kind words for RFK Jr.
“He’s been very nice to me. I’ve had a very nice relationship with him over the years.”
“He’s a very good man and his heart is in the right place.”
“He’s a common sense guy and so am I.”
– There’s a part of me that genuinely hopes, if Trump wins the nomination, he chooses anti-vax lunatic RFK Jr. to be his running mate just so I can see the regulars in this forum find ways to support it. I know the usual suspect have it in them and it would be fun to read how each of you rationalize it.
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General Flynn would be a pretty good running mate.
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Republicans are left SHOCKED and SILENCED as annual inflation PLUMMETS to the lowest level in more than TWO years.
Democrats NEVER tout our accomplishments enough. Let’s blast this to space:
Annual inflation has been falling for 11 months—and is less than half what it was last June.
And that’s the tip of the iceberg:
-Gas prices are down about $1.40 from their peak after Putin’s war.
-Energy prices fell 11% over the last year.
-Grocery prices are trending down—egg prices down nearly 30% since January.
-More than 13 million jobs have been created and unemployment has been under 4% for 16 months.
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“BREAKING:
Putin starts his speech to the nation by saying:
“The organisers of rebellion will be brought to justice”
Looks like there will be no amnesty for Prigozhin after all…”
Why did Lukashenko make the deal with Prigozhin instead of Putin? So Putin would not be accused of being two-faced when he has Prigozhin killed.
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Thinking is speculative. Knowing is more substantial. We know that Putin invaded Ukraine on Biden’s watch, not during his predecessor’s watch.
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DC_Draino
@DC_Draino
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Zelensky has banned opposition political parties
He arrested political opponents
He banned all unfriendly media
He shut down Orthodox churches
And now there will be no Presidential election next year
At what point we call him what he is?
A dictator
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LOL
Took all that from the New Republic did you?
Grocery prices trending down? Eggs still 35% higher than when Biden took office. Been to the grocery store lately? Apparently not. What else is down? Answer: Nothing. Good luck selling the lie that grocery prices are going down. You’ll be laughed out of the room.
13 million New jobs? Uh, no. Total Jobs are just now where they were when the pandemic started.
Inflation lowest in two years? Yeah it’s “dropped” to an annual rate of around 5%
Biden is toast. Democrats won’t keep him around….and I haven’t even mentioned the drip drip drip of his corruption. That gets better by the day.
…..but yeah, that’s why Biden’s numbers have been in the toilet for the last two years. He just hasn’t trumpeted his “accomplishments” enough. Yeah, that’s it.
LMAO
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Russia is a riddle wrapped in an enigma, surrounded by mystery.
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Wray of hope. Cannon ruled against DOJ on motion to conceal testimony.
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DC Draino Dick is wrong about almost everything on that list.
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US judge Aileen Cannon denies Special Counsel request to file 84 potential witnesses in the Trump classified docs case under seal — says the government does not explain why it is necessary and notes media coalition has moved to have it public.
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I wonder when the motion to dismiss will be entered by Trumps lawyers.
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The corruption is rampant in some Eastern Europe countries. Just ask the Biden family.
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2024 GE Poll from May by a Dem pollster, GQR (B+) with leaners
Biden 50% (+2)
Trump 48%
Swing States
Trump 49%
Biden 49%
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DeSantis 49% (+1)
Biden 48%
Swing States
DeSantis 53% (+11)🚨🚨🚨
Biden 42%
GQR (Dem) | 2,112 LV | Apr 27-May 3
drive.google.com/file/d/1xtBi6F…
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Zzzzzzzzz. Just say you want Putin to win.
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Typical KGB approach is threaten to kill or kill family members. It works. Putin would refuse to talk to him.
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We know. We know.
RNC Research
@RNCResearch
BIDEN (last week): “I sold a lot of state secrets and a lot of very important things…”
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He does not yet have a complete legal team or access by his attorneys to review the “evidence.” There will be plenty of challenges. Stoners “case” is weak.
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It’s like everyone is finding different results than pos. Caveat polls mean nada right now, but still….
InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022
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🇺🇲 2024 Presidential Election Poll
(R) Trump: 45% (+2)
(D) Biden: 43%
⦿ @MessengerPol / @Harris_X_
⦿ June 19-23 | 2,875 RV | MoE: ±1.8%
https://themessenger.com/politics/poll-trump-biden-remain-deadlocked-exclusive
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Espionage won’t apply. Pra does, as does transition.
The subpoena was not issued to him.
Warrant was too broad. Just look 13,000 items seized illegally. 30 questionable? That may fill one or two boxes at most.
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More likely 30 items fills half a box. The pictures taken by the stoner show boxes the fib moved. Everything was locked up. And trump and his designee have a right to access everything without challenges or second guesses by the Russian hoaxer types
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Putin still might be trying to get something from Prigozhin he wants…using family members as currency. I am sure it’s worse than we can guess.
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Why would any of us ever need to read Gateway Pundit when Tinfoil Tina, fake PRA expert, will simply regurgitate on this site what Jim Hoft and the gang post on that psychotic forum?
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Just check out the subpoena and who it’s addressed to. “Custodian of the fpa office”. The second subpoena is issued to Bobby custodian for the trump organization. Neither subpoena is enforceable as written.
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Monaco is a Russian hoaxer. The Rs should never have confirmed her. They need to start impeachment agains this Beotch.
Aaron Maté
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Kash Patel, former senior US official & federal public defender, argues that Hunter Biden obtaining pre-trial diversion — a rarity for a gun/narcotics case — would have required the approval of Deputy AG Lisa Monaco, a key Russiagate figure.
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Cannons order
Smith:
“PAPERLESS ORDER denying without prejudice Government’s Motion to Implement Special Condition of Release. The Government seeks an order implementing a special condition of bond related to Defendants’ (Trump and Nauta) communication with eighty-four listed witnesses about the facts of the case, except through counsel.
The Government conditions its request on the filing of the non-exhaustive list under seal. Defendants take no position on the Government’s seal request but reserve the right to object to the special condition and the manner by which the Government intends to implement it.
In the meantime, numerous news organizations have moved to intervene to oppose the Government’s Motion to File Witness List Under Seal, citing the First Amendment and related legal principles. Upon review of the foregoing materials, the Government’s Motion is denied without prejudice, and the Motion to Intervene and accompanying Motions to Appear Pro Hac Vice are denied as moot.
The Government’s Motion does not explain why filing the list with the Court is necessary; it does not offer a particularized basis to justify sealing the list from public view; it does not explain why partial sealing, redaction, or means other than sealing are unavailable or unsatisfactory; and it does not specify the duration of any proposed seal. The Clerk is directed to return the Pro Hac Vice fees to the filing attorneys. Signed by Judge Aileen M. Cannon on 6/26/2023.
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It was disclosed today 84 witnesses to the case…that’s a lot. I still think Trumps best shot is a dismissal. If Cannon denies you really have to wonder what’s next legally.
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Poor attempt by stoner to hide the “evidence. “
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Media wants the info on the witnesses.
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There is simply no such “custodian” for the first subpoenas and Bobb is not the custodian for the trump organization.
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This is trending…it just reminds of how euro woman are not over weight, dress sharp, attractive with ZERO maintenance. That’s why I married one.
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Leaked to CNN of course…
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Apparently this was the writer for Mark Meadows book he was showing the top secret plans.
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Why would stoner leak this evidence to the public. This will be a ground for tossing the case. The gubment cannot endlessly leak without consequences.
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They also do not have any document claiming what cn and b taping allegeds.
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They actually had that “recording” for awhile. It already leaked once and leaked again apparently. There are witnesses stating that he “waved a newspaper” article about millys false claim that trump wanted to wage war with China or the mullahs.
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Yikes. Donor wanted to wear a wire against the Biden’s. The demented dictator cannot withstand these charges which look awful.
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Basically they sold out our country to Ukrainian thugs, Romanians and the ccp.
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Here is stoners witness list
Her thighness.
– James Comey
– Adam Schiffty
– General Vindman aka chow Hoarder
– stormy Daniels
– E. Jean Carrol and her pussy cat, Vagina.
– Peter Strzok and the Gf.
Fuhrer mulehead
Fat albert
The Clinton groupie.
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You can add little Adam and the dossier.
Loon Cheney
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Trumps team must file a motion to dismiss and ask the judge to investigate the leaks. This must be done asap.
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From the Jabba the Hutt wing of the r party:
Fox News
@FoxNews
‘The View’s Ana Navarro defends the Hunter Biden ‘scandal’ as the ‘story of a father’s love’
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Maybe DOJ leak…Could have been leaked by writer or publisher of Meadows book as well. Remember the story of him flipping on Trump a few weeks ago.
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This is a terrible non response. The sentences aren’t even coherent and do not address what I actually heard.
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This statement is ridiculous. How about we are filing a motion regarding the leak and using the PRA in your rebuttal.
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You can tell this lame response was not reviewed by a lawyer. Making this tape about Weine in thier response.
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BIDEN: I was just thinking, uh, uh, anyway. I started off without you, and I sold a lot of state secrets and a lot of very important things that we shared.”
I am ok with this, I am sure the state secrets weren’t as important as Trump’s.
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Doesn’t sound “lame” at all, but JeffP does love those MSNBC talking points. Sounds like a perfectly logical explanation and more evidence this is an orchestrated witch hunt like all the other ones before it.
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Your analysis amounts to nonsense and repeated mantras that never debate the point being made. Listen to the tape. It’s incriminating. He lied to Bret Baier. That can be admissible in court. .Your baseless little insults humor me.
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BTW, Ron DeSantis has said he will end birthright citizenship too, just like someone else said a few days ago.
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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/
Despite the grand pontifications and breathless pearl-clutching by the CNN narrative engineers, the audio will NEVER be used at trial, if there is even a trial – which is highly unlikely, because it cannot be admitted into evidence. That’s why Jack Smith gave it to them. The audio is useless, except for the value in promoting the lawfare narrative engineering effort.
Why? Because the documents that are claimed to be heard in the audio are nowhere to be found. That’s right, the DOJ and FBI never found any “classified” or “super-secret” documents as described in the audio. As a result, the audio represents nothing, a literal nothingburger, because without the documents the audio is inadmissible.
You cannot submit evidence in court of a person talking about documents without the documents the audio is supposedly talking about. Can you see the issue now? As a result, the audio is nothing more than President Trump talking about something the prosecution cannot identify or prove. It’s inadmissible, hence no value, hence the leak.
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https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/06/27/heres-why-jack-smith-leaked-audio-of-trump-talking-to-cnn-its-the-opposite-of-cnns-claimed-pearl-clutching/
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Trump says tape is an exoneration of his actions. If the leaked Trump audio is an exoneration, then I fully expect to see it in their defense court filings. It won’t be. It’s just typical Trump BS.
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The writer or publisher of Meadows book could have leaked it. Remember the story of Meadows flipped on Trump a few weeks ago.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4041421-trump-indictment-talk-puts-spotlight-on-frayed-meadows-relationship/
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More from the recent Reagan Institute Ukraine poll:
“Of 1,254 American adults surveyed, 59 percent said they support military aid to Ukraine, nearly double the 30 percent opposed. That is virtually unchanged from a the Reagan Insitute’s prior poll last November, which recorded 57 percent in favor of aid and 33 percent opposed. The questions were phrased differently.
“The polling does not indicate that there’s Ukraine fatigue or aid fatigue,” said Rachel Hoff, policy director at the Reagan Institute. “There’s not decreasing levels of support for sending military aid to Ukraine. That’s remained consistent.” “
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Real Clear Polling Average 6/8 – 6/23
Trump 43.8%
Biden 43.6,%
Trump +0.2
Trump has taken a 0.2 lead. Believe it was like a 0.2 Biden lead last time. Obviously both are within the margin of error, so the race is basically to close to call.
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too close to call.
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Biden accidently reads “end of quote” off of teleprompter in Monday WH speech.
Another day, another gaff by the idiot in chief.
Just another daily dose of Biden entertainment. The whole world is laughing at this guy and, unfortunately, laughing at us for putting this demented old fool in office.
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The media certainly doesn’t care. They hounded Dan Quayle relentlessly for not objecting when he saw an e on the end of the word potato, but Biden can say anything and they don’t care. Biden could even advocate for railroad from the Pacific all the way over the Indian Ocean and they wouldn’t care.
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Jason has adapted to the lifeboat and gone to war with almost everybody. The spirit of HHR lives.
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Lifeboat is working well, bitter. Kudos, brother.
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TDS morons once again fail to find the silver bullet to take down Trump. The nothingburger “tape” has no effect on odds for nomination at Predictit.
Why? Because most Rs understand these indictments are politically motivated trash.
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7053/Who-will-win-the-2024-Republican-presidential-nomination
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And another pole this am
InteractivePolls
@IAPolls2022
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3h
🇺🇲 2024 Presidential Election Poll
(R) Trump 44% (+3)
(D) Biden 41%
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(D) Biden 42% (+2)
(R) DeSantis 40%
Net 4-point swing towards Trump from last week and Trump’s largest advantage since tracking began in December
Morning Consult | 6,000 RV | 06/25
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The concern is why is it ok that the unjustive leaked the tape to Cn and n? These are grounds for tossing this fake suit.
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If stoner wants to wage political war, he will lose for sure. Stoner will be embarassed.
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Tinfoil is doing to this forum what she often did to HHR. She’s spamming it with nonsense.
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Of course, Jason fraud, a pro-Trump worshipping moron, calls an audio tape with Trump admitting to the accusations a nothingburger. He thinks Trump, a former president, should be allowed to break laws no one else would be allowed to break. If this case makes it to trial, it will be a massive blow to whatever defense his lawyers try to mount.
Now whether this tape changes political perceptions is another thing. Trump worshippers like Jason fraud don’t care about whether Trump can actually win a general election or whether he would be able to staff a hypothetical administration with anyone remotely competent. He just wants to see Trump be the nominee because Trump is his Jim Jones and Jason fraud is the moron encouraging everyone to drink the poison.
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“Prigozhin has likely also arrived in Belarus. His business jet flew from Rostov-on-Don to Belarus and landed at the Machulishchy airbase near Minsk at 07:40.”
Prigozhin has a large Gulfstream jet that would make Al Gore and John Kerry jealous. Only legitimate climate warriors should have such a large private jets.
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Spamming it with nonsense.
You mean like Robbie did with the Russian hoax BS for four years?
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Of course, comments are down 80% without Tgca.
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“@amandajplatell
Anti-monarchists attack Prince William’s plan to end homelessness saying as he owns three homes he’s a hypocrite…
At least he’s trying to make a difference unlike brother Harry who is only trying to line his own pockets”
It’s amazing how liberals are turning on Prince Harry and his sidekick.
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Bless your heart, Phil. I know you’ll always revert to MAGA daddy supporter when Donnie’s back is against the wall, but Tinfoil is reposting nonsense from Gateway Pundit. She’s a pro-Putin fool who thinks Jim Hoft and Steve Bannon are truthful characters. But I’m sure the hardcore Trumpers appreciate the efforts at deflections.
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Oh please. You spent four years breathlessly linking every NYT, Washington Post, CNN…..anonimous BS report on Trump’s “Russian collusion” that came down the pipe. Spare us your current commentary on “nonsense”. You spent Trump’s entire term spewing every MSM anonymous BS “Russian collusion” nonsense tidbit put out there. Give it a rest.
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Harry is a joke as is his publicity hound wife. Two of the most sanctimonious phonies in my memory.
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I’d like to think many who post in this forum will learn their lesson after Trump loses to Biden again in 2024, but I know the usual suspects won’t. Within a day or two of Trump losing again, this forum will fill up with conspiracy theories about how the election was stolen from Trump. It will be a sad replay of what happened in the days and months after 2020 and, because of it, we’ll do the same thing again in 2028 and nominate Trump. Why? Because they’ll believe Trump deserves another chance since it was stolen (it won’t be). I have to remember, though, that many who post here and posted at HHR no longer care about winning. They care about being mad and losing ensures that.
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Once more I will state for the record that I won’t be voting for Trump in the primary. My reason is strategic. I want to win. Simple as that. Nominating a 78 year old wipes out the age advantage over Biden. Nominating someone who will be spending the campaign in a courtroom is also absurd. It’s no brainer for me. I’d be happy with a DeSantis-Scott ticket.
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It’s 2032 and four-time nominee Trump, having lost his third straight presidential election, continues to tour the country saying the last three elections were stolen from him. Finally, though, at the age of 86, a decrepit Trump announces he won’t run again, but says only his son, Don Jr. in his fifteenth year of engagement to Kimberly Gilfoyle, can effectively defeat the deep state he was never able to beat.
Republicans, now a rump party with small minorities in both chambers of Congress after seven successive election defeats, offered mixed reviews about nominating a Trump for the fifth time in a row, but offer fealty to the new dear leader because they remain afraid of Trump and his cult. Those who were planning to run for president acknowledged they would likely lose again and made clear they would not negatively campaign against the Trumps because, after 17 years, they still hold out hope Trump’s support will collapse and they will be the beneficiaries.
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A Putin-supported third party run by RFK jr might throw a wrench in to things.
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I do wonder about his Endler’s guppies and which Tofu wrap he’ll be eating.
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In 2040, Amoral Scumbag will still be a scumbag low life Dem troll with the moral compass of a floating turd with the same old decades long shtick of never actually voting for any R candidate on the ballot.
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Now whether this tape changes political perceptions is another thing.”
LOL
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He lied to Bret Baier. That can be admissible in court.”
LOL
The TDS morons love be-clowning themselves.
A politician lied to a TV reporter? Wow. Now THAT never happened before.
Let’s ad that to something that would be only “admissible in court” in the history of the Republic if it was against Trump.
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Kevin McCarthy says he thinks Trump could win the GOP nomination, but doesnt know if Trump is “strongest” candidate for his party.
“Can he win that election? Yeah he can…the question is, is he the strongest to win the election, I don’t know that answer,” McCarthy says on CNBC
I will add McCarthy doesn’t want to give up the gavel.
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No Tgca is a breath of fresh air.
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Trump worshippers like Jason fraud don’t care about whether Trump can actually win a general election or whether he would be able to staff a hypothetical administration with anyone remotely competent. He just wants to see Trump be the nominee because Trump is his Jim Jones and Jason fraud is the moron encouraging everyone to drink the poison.”
Ah yes, the moral compass of a floating turd.
1) I have posted many times, even on this thread, that I have my doubts on Trump winning a GE, and that is one reason I support the Golden Calf instead.
2) My criticisms of many of Trump’s appointments are well known. Sessions, Bolton, Scaramucci, the idiot he had as commerce secretary (Ross?) just to name a few.
3) None of this changes the fact Trump was a damm good President who delivered for conservatives despite being wrong on some issues like trade, foreign policy and immigration. It doesn’t change the fact the 2020 was decided by only 42,000 votes in three states under highly dubious election rules and rampant fraud. It doesn’t change the fact that if Rs want to win in 2024, they will need the blue collar and minority votes Trump brought to the party and they will need the Trump base to win.
But Amoral Scumbag doesn’t really want Rs to win in 2024. He will never actually vote for the Golden Calf, while I certainly would. He only wants a GOP civil war because he thinks it helps Democrats.
In the end, most of us here will support the R nominee, while Amoral Scumbag will vote as usual for the Dem. In the end, it is not about Trump just like it was not about any previous R candidate.
History repeats itself.
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I’d be happy with a DeSantis-Scott ticket.”
Or Golden Calf – Reynolds.
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Careful now. The fugleys may sue you.
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Corrrection, 7 years of Russian hoaxing by the hoaxer.
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Don’t forget Cornel West for Green Party. He and Rfk can do turd parties and cause Biden to lose. Biden has a 39 percent approval rate and the economy sucks.
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Can’t hide from double digit food inflation.
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Will Scharf
@willscharf
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The fact that Special Counsel Jack Smith’s team (presumably) leaked this audio to CNN only further supports the fact that this prosecution of
@realDonaldTrump
is politically motivated.
They’re playing to the mainstream media peanut gallery; not making a case to a jury.
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Let’s see. Conman Donnie Trump’s legal team received all non-classified discovery from the special counsel late last week. That included audio recordings like the one CNN played last night.
Almost certainly, conman Donnie’s team, not necessarily his lawyers, leaked the audio to CNN to get it out there and let it seep into the public consciousness. Why? Because the longer it’s out in the public, the less it may matter when it might have an impact.
Imagine if this audio was played at a trial just ten days before Iowa votes. Its impact could be huge in the heat of primary season. But by leaking it now, its impact, if anyone remembers it days before Iowa, will be negligible then.
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Of course they are. They could see people weren’t buying the BS so they come up with a tape that actually Trump can use to his advantage and in fact is already doing so.
Here is why Trump is still popular in his own words:
“We got the gasoline prices down to a dollar eighty-seven, actually, we had periods of time where it was less than that. People were happy. We had the greatest economy in history. In history, there’s never been an economy like we had going.
And then you had… you got hit by China’s gift to us, okay? COVID, or the China virus as I call it because it’s a much more accurate name. We get hit by that, and we brought it back. And the stock market was higher, when I left it was higher than pre-COVID. I mean if you think about it, it was a miracle, the job we did, we actually did it twice.
But there’s never been an economy, the likes of which we built. We had something every single group of people, black, white — everybody — Hispanic, women, men, everybody was at the top of the line. Whether you had a high-school diploma, or you graduated number one in your class from the Wharton School of Finance — everybody — everybody was doing well. It was an amazing period of time, and I think that’s why my poll numbers are so high, ’cause people want it back.”
THIS is what the Golden Calf has to deal with. Insulting the people who still support Trump is not going to help. The challenge is how do you convince them you can do an even better job WITHOUT the baggage, drama, and controversy.
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Mediaite
@Mediaite
Kevin McCarthy Waffles on Whether Trump is the ‘Strongest’ 2024 GOP Candidate in CNBC Interview
– This McCarthy letting it be known Republicans will lose the House and any chance to stop Biden if Trump’s the nominee without explicitly saying so.
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TinyD’s poll numbers have crashed since he started supporting Joe Biden lol.
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Problem with that is Cn and n had the transcript a month ago. Thr transcript and tape came from stoner
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“Trump up 5, DeSantis down 10 in NH after indictment”
Yep, I tell you, those “indictments” and “tapes” are really hurting Trump and helping the Golden Calf.
This is what you get when you think repeating MSNBC talking points about Trump is going to somehow hurt his campaign
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The special counsel of stoners has been leaking like a sieve. Certainly there will be a motion to dismiss based on the leaks, Everyone knows it. The question is when does trump pull the trigger?
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Always remember Jason fraud thinks Trump should be allowed to break any law and admit it without any consequences because he liked the economy that Paul Ryan and the Republican House policies produced.
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The shuffling of papers by trump is the newspaper articles showing Milley y leaked about attacking Iran, falsely blaming trump. Look at the time frame. Those articles came out in July.
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DeSantis has continued to handle the 2020 coup in an irresponsible way, which makes any normal republican tend to think he is campaigning for Joe Biden.
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Panic will set in if Trump continues to have a large lead in the polls in the late fall.
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