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Trump Job Approval
| Pollsters wrong in 2024: | 42.0 / 55.1 | -13.0 |
| Pollsters right in 2024: | 46.2 / 51.0 | -4.8 |
| GOP | DEM |
| Democrats +3 | 216 | 219 |
The Hedgehog Report - Phoenix Edition 
162 responses to “Keep celebrating! I’m not joining the party.”
Hamas vs Israel – 100 percent the fault of Hamas
Russia vs. Ukraine- 100 percent the fault of Russia
Trump vs. Zelenskyy- 100 percent the fault of Trump
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hWWe-ts2s
Meatloaf comes to mind.
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Ukraniac – it’s great that Zelenski yelled and behaved like a tyrant with our primary negotiator, Bessent. It was Bessent’s fault –
https://x.com/RapidResponse47/status/1895633109649134013
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I guess Marco Rubio, along with Lindsey Graham, is now a Putinista, according to the Ukraniac cult here –
https://x.com/NanLee1124/status/1895661704073396383
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And now I don’t have to respect Rubio.
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interesting…..
people Ukraniac cult members don’t respect –
President Trump
Vance
Bessent
Rubio
Lindsey Graham
People Ukrainian cult members respect –
Zelinsky
Pritzker and other Democrats governors
Hakeem Jeffries
Macron
Trudeau
Scholz
Makes perfect sense because only Ukrainiacs are the “true” republicans.
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Bitterlaw – maybe I wasn’t clear enough earlier.
Today was not a good day, for both Ukraine and US.
We want that deal. Trump wants that deal. Ukraine will benefit in a YUGE way from that deal. I think you are being incredibly shortsighted in thinking that we are “robbing” Ukraine in any way.
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As for your more personal utterances, no skin off my back. Feel however you want, think whatever you want. I ain’t gonna try to stop you.
Can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped.
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I only respect Zelensky on that list.
You respect Putin
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Here’s an opinion from a formal liberal, Sasha Stone, who turned into a moderate.
”The way I see it, Zelensky didn’t want to make the deal. He saw himself as the one in control and why wouldn’t he? He appeared on the Golden Globes, after all. He hung around with Sean Penn. He has been treated like a celebrity among the elites in America. But in this case, Vance and Trump were irritated with him and okay, so maybe a big fight in the Oval office isn’t what we want to see with our presidents. On the other hand, they’re looking out for the best interests of the American people. How many more billions will be sent for a war that can’t be won?
Does Putin benefit? Of course. But what is the alternative? It was a war that never should have started. I think, without any actual evidence, that our government was looking for a way to start a war to unseat Putin. I can’t prove it, but that’s how I see it. The American Left will continue its Civil War, turning against much of this country to side with Zelensky and Ukraine.”
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And I disagree with you. Do you need that repeated?
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Why would I want to be helped to support the best deal for Putin?
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Even Dan Crenshaw is astonished at Zelendkyy’s actions.
Crazy day. Hopefully cooler heads prevail in the coming days.
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In your world, the United States working with Ukraine to develop their industries is a good deal for Putin.
Bizarro World, meet Bitterlaw.
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Here is Hugh Hewitt’s take, which is right on point. He was more pro Ukrainian than some on this board –
“Everyone who wants to comment on today has to watch this entire tape and hopefully realize that at approximately the 38 minute mark President Zelensky asks a question of Vice President Vance which isn’t really a question. (My guess is that someone gave President Zelensky really terrible advice to not fight with President Trump in public but that he could score on the VP because the VP couldn’t respond. Wrong.) President Trump had been almost indulgent of President Zelensky for 38 minutes, trying to get to the post-presser meeting with a path forward to a ceasefire intact, aware that he has to deal with Putin afterwards as well. A couple of times President Zelensky dances on the cliff (especially with the pictures which someone who doesn’t know this business told him would be an excellent stunt and wasn’t) and President Trump steers it back to a path to the post-presser meeting. But then President Zelensky puts the VP on the spot and it escalated. Then President Zelensky tells President Trump how the United States would feel, and you can see our president give into a (justified) rising anger at President Zelensky’s approach and rhetoric, as did the VP. I have long supported Ukraine and still do. President Zelensky’s conduct has been heroic. But he is used to President Biden, Secretary Blinken and NSA Sullivan who did not have a plan or a purpose other than re-election which they assumed required that escalation could not happen and for whom every decision was agony. President Zelensky also did not remember that Ukraine didn’t lose the war that President Biden told Putin would be fine if it was a “minor incursion,” and because it weapons President Trump had sent in his first term. I don’t know how this gets back on track. I don’t know if the warrior Zelensky can actually make a deal. Putin has kidnapped tens of thousands of children, murdered thousands of his people and tens of thousands of his soldiers. Putin has committed war crimes. All of that is true. It is also true that Putin has thousands of nukes and NORKs. President Trump has a plan. He wasn’t in charge when Putin invaded Ukraine the first time or the second time. All President Trump can do is try and bring about a stable and enduring peace and get Ukraine enmeshed with Europe and the U.S. while also dealing with Putin. Nixon dealt with the worst murderer of the 20th century when he sat down with Mao. Reality is what it is. Presidents of the United States have to deal with whatever mess their predecessor leaves them. I’ll repeat what I said on the program today: President Zelensky should call all of his strongest supporters w/i the@SenateGOP and genuinely seek advice. And dismiss those who have been “advising” him for the past six weeks. Very publicly.”
https://x.com/hughhewitt/status/1895626800480600518
The Ukrainian cult will now Add Hugh Hewitt to the Putinista list, LOL!
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In other news, Rogan interviewed Musk again, several clips are up, loads of more information about the absolutely ridiculous waste and fraud in our own government.
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Bitterlaw won’t, but he should also listen to the first segment of Mark Levins show tonight. He is Like Hewitt, a big supporter of the Ukrainian cause, and a consistent critic of Putin.
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Cheers, and Goodnight.
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Zelensky and his family are under threat of death every day. But Jan prefers to listen to the Zelensky-haters.
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It is a good day for Putin because he keeps all the land he seized AND Trump gets Ukrainian resources without having to fight Putin for them.
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Unlike the Cult, I make my opinions based on what I actually see and learn rather than repeating the spin of others.
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All controversial figures on the national stage are subject to death threats including Trump, Musk, and your idol Zelenskyy. The mineral deal shared profits, helping the Ukrainians rebuild their country and repay its debt to the US. You don’t look at the positive benefits of sharing projects, rather you just like giving away this country’s money to anyone but it’s citizens.
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Unlike the Cult, I make my opinions based on what I actually see and learn rather than repeating the spin of others.
That is BS. You feed off of spin and refuse to process any new info. Your lines are all old reruns.
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“Trump, Musk, and your idol Zelenskyy”
Only one of these people has a foreign army actively trying to kill him.
MAGA is mad that Zelenskyy, as Trump puts it derisively, wanted to “fight fight fight” after Russia attacked and continues to occupy and attack its people but yet celebrated when Trump said the same words after he got shot.
Cultists have no consistency and no principles.
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Irony Meter explodes as Jan claims to make her own options despite thousands of copies of links.
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Bitter law says “Unlike the cult, make my opinions based on what I actually see and learn rather than repeating the spin of others”
And so do other well intentioned posters here but you attack them with derogatory labels like cult member or Putinista. This kind of funny since you claim to be a lawyer, yet you would rather attack people with those labels instead of addressing your disagreement with cogent points. What’s even funnier is that the labels you apply to people, all of which are expressing mainstream Republican views, are right out of daily kos or the Democrat underground, places where insane leftists post regularly, yet you claim to be a Republican. Maybe you are gaslighting everyone here. If you really are a lawyer, you probably aren’t a very good one if you can’t try to make a persuasive argument before attacking people expressing opposing points of view.
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I have never been more ashamed of being an American.
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Bitterlaw, you should realize there are different people posting as Anonymous because there is no other way to post.
It is a dumb idea to label all of those posts “Coward Poster.” Some of those posts actually agree with your positions, but if you want a pro-Putin echo chamber, feel free.
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I have made arguments against Putin for decades. Try to keep up.
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Zzzzzzz The Cuit is the Pro-Putin echo chamber.
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Bitterlaw, re-read the first post on this thread and if you disagree with it, you can keep it as “Coward Poster.” Otherwise, maybe change how you labeled it it since it is obviously not from bunu.
Regardless of the fights and disagreements on here, it maybe is not a good idea for a blog admin to pick peoples’ handles for them or change them to suit your own editorial purposes.
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If people don’t want to be anonymous, they can sign their posts at the bottom. If they do want to remain Anonymous, they are cowards. Both can be true.
– Bitterlaw
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/02/28/nolte-zelensky-threw-his-country-under-bus-audition-msnbc/
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Just no more money to this tinpot dictator.
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Day 7300 of Putina not calling Putin a dictator.
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The only one who should be celebrating is Putin.
It is pretty obvious the whole issue was not the spat in front of the cameras, the problem was that in the prior meetings in the morning Zelensky stood firm on security guarantees as a condition for signing the mineral deal.
THAT is why Trump and Vance had hissy fits.
“Rubio: I think he should apologize for wasting our time for a meeting that was gonna end the way it did.”
This tells me that is exactly what happened. Rubio admits Zelensky was never going to sign without security guarantees.
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President Trump has a plan”
Actually, it is pretty obvious Trump has no plan except to try to bully Zelensky into surrender so he can split the spoils with Putin.
Can someone tell me what Trump’s “plan” was?
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Trump’s plan was to sign a minerals deal with the Ukraine on behalf of the United States and then to negotiate a peace deal. The real barn burner was Zelinski’s plan, which was to roll his eyes, interrupt , demand additional security guarantees previously discarded in prior discussions, insult the US president, VP, and secretary of state in the Oval Office, and renegotiate a previously agreed upon deal (according to Rubio) in front of the US media. Yeah, great plan there by Zelensky. Did he get it from Victoria Nuland? What was this comedian thinking?
Bitterlaw, sorry, I couldn’t find the terms of service for the site and didn’t know I had to label my posts with a handle. I’ll use this going forward –
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The mineral teal was not trumps plan. I mean he did not think of it. It was goobers plan. Trump adopted it.
With that said, Goober calling for regime change in Ukraine is the kiss of death for the grifter
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This war was always a bad deal for us. We got nothing in return, the euros took advantage of thr grifter, and this:
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We basically threw the grifter out of the White House and he cried to get back in.
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Let the Euros fund dictator a and b
C looks like the best for us (we are out).
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The Grifter played Quemala and demented. This was not gonna happen under trump-Vance.
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Jason said….”This tells me that is exactly what happened. Rubio admits Zelensky was never going to sign without security guarantees.”
Then why did Zelenskyy come? What was his strategery? To publicly demand that Trump commit US troops?
Chicon
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Lindsey Graham: “I have never been more proud of President Trump!”
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Hey Tina, tell the Ukrainiac cult to add Steven Miller and Brett Favre to the Putinista list –
https://x.com/BrettFavre/status/1895615240366407961
https://x.com/KarluskaP/status/1895647270336602463
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https://x.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1895654506752557321?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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“Lindsey Graham: “I have never been more proud of President Trump!””
ok, this part gives me pause…. Graham is always making himself a central figure, do not trust him.
-nycmike23
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So how does soros and Nutland respond to Ukraine?
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I will add in the Vindman bros, slob and chow hoarder.
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I agree.
EricLDaugh
You know, Marco Rubio is really shining. Complements the Trump administration utterly flawlessly.
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Here’s Scott Jennings, who with this spot on analysis, has added himself to the Ukrainiac Putinista list. Aside from democrats, select neocons, and the Ukrainiac cult on this board, are there any self labeled republicans thinking Zelensky didn’t massively screw the pooch with his horrendous conduct in the Oval Office?-
https://x.com/NickAdamsinUSA/status/1895697814514192862
Fla2025
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I have no idea why people are being designated as Anonymous. It is not a term of service to post here. I just think choosing to post anonymously is weak. It’s not like you are asked to post your real name.
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And you hate Graham. Is he off the RINO list’
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For all the posters who think Zelensky was disrespectful for not wearing a suit, have you seen what Musk wears in the Oval Office?
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For anyone looking for a good laugh, the Powerline week in pictures is pretty hilarious today –
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/03/the-week-in-pictures-high-five-edition.php
Fla2025
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Then why did Zelenskyy come? What was his strategery? To publicly demand that Trump commit US troops?
Chicon”
He came to demand security guarantees.
Only the Putiinista toadies like you trust Putin.
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Notice that once Graham said something Tina liked, she now calls him Lindsey Graham instead of Goober.
You are always one comment or one vote away from making Tina’s RINO list.
Maybe you are only one comment away from making it off the list.
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demand additional security guarantees previously discarded in prior discussions,”
Why was it discarded?
Without security guarantees, Zelensky might as well surrender now.
Without security guarantees, he was right to tell Trump and Vance to f–k off.
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Zelensky didn’t massively screw the pooch with his horrendous conduct in the Oval Office?-“
Zzzzz….
The only horrendous conduct was Trump and Vance trying to bully Zelensky.
Tell me where Trump has come out ahead here:
Trump was going to “end the war in 24 hours. – epic fail
Barring that, he was going to bring about peace soon – epic fail
He was (new claim) going to get “money back” – epic fail
He was going to sign a great mineral rights deal – epic fail.
Let’s face it.
There is only one WINNER here… Vladimir Putin. And THAT is why all the Putinistas are celebrating.
If Trump had actually engineered a deal fair to Ukraine, it would have been a remarkable achievement both domestically and internationally. It would have given him even more leverage to implement his agenda here and it would have greatly enhanced him (and the US) internationally.
Trump came away with kudos from the Putin lovers and isolationists. But he already had that.
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Finally…
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/03/after-zelenskys-ungrateful-impertinent-display-oval-office-trump/
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This is a good summary of what happened
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1895856204259475490?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
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Jason, I was very sympathetic to Zelensky until I watched his performance in the Oval Office. It was appalling to me and many others in Republican Party, as can easily be seen by the numerous commentary videos posted here and elsewhere . You clearly see it differently. I guess reasonable minds may differ. All of your points are easily rebuttable but what’s the point? You label anyone that disagrees with you on this, no matter how well intentioned, as a “Putin lover”. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. We do agree on one thing, the big winner yesterday was Putin. We just disagree on who gave him that win and which country can ill afford to bare the consequences.
Fla2025
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Zelensky aimed his plane for the UK after leaving a disappointing meeting with Trump in his wake. I guess he wants to fluff up his image with England before returning home to face the Ukrainian Parliament and possible impeachment proceedings. For those of you who idolize this guy, he looks more heroic for being a pompous a**. For the rest of us, who have increasingly seen him as a con man, he looks even more like a grifter after being such a pompous a** in the Oval Office meeting.
Apparently, Graham’s harsh comments struck a nerve. The mineral deal actually was met with disfavor by many on the Trump team. However, it was seen by Trump as an avenue to reach an eventual peace agreement. I don’t know if it can be revived.
“But when Baier played a clip of Ukraine-obsessed Lindsey Graham doing a complete 180, Zelensky was left stammering. Graham, a notorious warmonger, and usually one of Ukraine’s biggest cheerleaders, shocked everyone by praising Trump and JD Vance for how they handled the tense Oval Office showdown—going so far as to say he doesn’t see how the US can ever work with Ukraine again. In other words, even Lindsey thinks Zelensky crossed the line. Also, judging by his awkward, yammering response, Zelensky realized in real time that he had just made a huge mistake.”
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Jan’s glee is obvious.
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Add the NATO chief to the Ukrainiac cult’s Putinista list. –
NEWSNATO chief issues sharp warning to Zelensky after car crash Trump talks
NATO chief Mark Rutte said on Saturday he told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that he needs to find a way to restore his relationship with President Donald Trump after Friday’s clash during a White House meeting.
‘It is important that President Zelensky finds a way to restore his relationship with the American President and with the senior American leadership team,’ Rutte told the BBC, commenting on a call he had with Zelensky on Friday.
He described the meeting at the White House as ‘unfortunate’.
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Bitter, sorry I haven’t been able to post as much lately, just been super busy.
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Above comment was mine, I forgot to log in.
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If someone parachuted in from another galaxy and learned that a war was going on between Russia and Ukraine, the natural question asked would be, Well, who started it? Who is at fault for the deaths of all these hundreds of thousands of people?
There is only one answer to that question. Putin.
There might be debate over the corruption or incompetency of Ukraine and its leaders, but none of that has anything to do with the fundamental question of who is at fault for this war.
That answer is Putin, and will always be Putin. He is an old communist hardliner from the USSR days. Putin is not your friend. I am not arguing for a virtuous Ukraine. That is a separate question. But Putin is the enemy. Communism is the enemy.
I recently watched a documentary type movie on the lives of a young Jewish couple in Eastern Europe who became Christians right before WWII. They managed to survive the Nazis despite the constant threat of death, and in fact the wife’s family was slaughtered by the Nazis.
But then then after the war, what they suffered as Christians living under communism was ten times worse.
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Janzam, I’m in total agreement. I watched the Baier interview hoping for Zelenskyy to come to his senses. He didn’t. He is still in ‘war mode’. To be fair, Zelenskyy was the right man at the right time for Ukraine three years ago. Not any more. Ukraine needs a president at this time and not a general. You’re either a ‘general’ or a president. You have to make the change from wearing a uniform, or tacky khakis as in Zelenskyy’s situation, to a a suit. It worked for Eisenhower, Washington, Grant etc.
I’m in total agreement with Graham. There has to be a change. And Trump was than gracious to Zelenskyy.
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Waiting for you to condemn Musk’s t-shirts and baseball hat in the Oval Office.
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To me, the thing that was always disingenuous about the all in for Ukraine group was this argument that if we didn’t give Ukraine a blank check that Putin would march right into Poland. Rubish.
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Bitter lawyer, can you be a little more specific? Are you addressing a specific poster that was offended by Zelensky’s dress as opposed to his conduct in the Oval Office or are you putting up a straw argument to knock down and deflect from some legitimate criticism of Zelensky’s conduct? Obama and bottom feeder lawyers tend to do this regularly. If I missed some posts concerning his dress, apologies in advance.
Fla2025
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Several posters commented. You can read it for yourself.
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The grifter referred to vp Vance as Jd. Very disrespectful. The grifter also mouthed the word “Beotch” at Jd. Please see the previous thread.
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whoa boy, that maniac Ukrainiac Putin lover list is getting huge. Hey Tina, Add Michał Kuź, the Polish diplomat with a Ph.D in political science who is extremely anti-Russian (rightly so since he’s Polish) and has been pro-Ukraine in this war –
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2025/03/a-perspective-on-the-oval-office-blowup.php
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Zzzzzzzzz
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So Putina wants more Ukrainians dead and millions more enslaved because Vance had hurt feelings? Got it.
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Interesting. Ukrainiacs on this board call you named and draw irrational and excessive conclusions when you express any displeasure in their leader Zelensky.
Must keep that in mind when posting here.
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The grifter is irrelevant. Regime change
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That answer is Putin, and will always be Putin. He is an old communist hardliner from the USSR days. Putin is not your friend. I am not arguing for a virtuous Ukraine. That is a separate question. But Putin is the enemy. Communism is the enemy.”
Exactly. And THAT is what the Putin lovers don’t understand.
Containing Putin’s expansionist agenda is in OUR interest.
The Putinistas want to make this about Zelensky, about his attire, about his wife’s shopping, about his “disrespect”, etc. They use their unfounded hatred of Zelensky (only because he has not allowed Ukraine to be conquered) as an excuse for ignoring the much bigger picture here.
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Is Ukrainiac supposed to be an insult?
I would wear my support for Ukraine and my opposition to Putin proudly.
Here is the difference. The Putin Lover Brigade here hates being called that.
I am proud to be a Ukrainiac!
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Tina, I don’t know if Graham should be removed from your Rino list, but he definitely needs to be moved up a few notches on the Ukrainiac Putin lover list for just posting this on X –
To the hand-wringing Europeans who felt offended by President Trump rejecting being lectured by President Zelensky: Be my guest to defend Ukraine from Putin. It is long past time for the Europeans to show they are capable of defending their own continent. They’ve allowed their militaries to be hollowed out and when Europe speaks, no bad guy listens. I say this with great sadness: The last group of people that I would count on to defend freedom are the Europeans.
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Regime change”
LOL
I thought the isolationists were AGAINST interfering in the politics of other countries.
But of course not, their “principles” on foreign policy as just as much for sale as their “conservative” policies.
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The freepassers were silent on the euros getting their contributions to Ukraine back.
The kiss of death was the regime change comment.
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President Trump rejecting being lectured by President Zelensky”
Zzzzz…
I will take “Things that Never Happened” for $1000 please.
Zelensky was the one who didn’t accept being lectured by Vance, who he correctly pointed out probably knows nothing about Ukraine.
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The grifter can resume stealing $ and doing Coke. Nobody cares.
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You label anyone that disagrees with you on this, no matter how well intentioned”
LOL
Someone who supports the horrendous war crimes the Russians have wrought on Ukraine claims he is “well intentioned”
You gotta love it here.
“Anonymous” to claim he doesn’t support Putin’s war crimes in 3, 2, 1. He just supports making it impossible for them not to continue.
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The grifter can resume stealing $ and doing Coke. Nobody cares.”
On his yacht?
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DW – just to make sure – the fact that Putin started the war has never been in doubt by anyone at this blog. I’m puzzled as to why you felt the need to restate that.
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The grifter referred to vp Vance as Jd. Very disrespectful.”
This from someone who calls great Ukrainian hero and patriot and the legitimate President of Ukraine a “grifter”.
Tina knows a lot about “respect”.
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DW – just to make sure – the fact that Putin started the war has never been in doubt by anyone at this blog. I’m puzzled as to why you felt the need to restate that.”
So NYC is offended when you point out Putin is responsible for this war?
I wonder why that would be.
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LOL! Jason, you wear the label well! quick question, is the polish anti Russian diplomat , Michal Kuz, a “Putin lover” for expressing the same criticisms of Zelensky as most of the people on this board? Just trying to get a handle on things.
Fla2025
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DW correctly synthesized what this about and what is the big picture here.
NYC and his fellow Putinistas conveniently try to ignore it.
“There might be debate over the corruption or incompetency of Ukraine and its leaders, but none of that has anything to do with the fundamental question of who is at fault for this war.
That answer is Putin, and will always be Putin. He is an old communist hardliner from the USSR days. Putin is not your friend. I am not arguing for a virtuous Ukraine. That is a separate question. But Putin is the enemy. Communism is the enemy.”
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for expressing the same criticisms of Zelensky as most of the people on this board”
Zzzzz…
I don’t know who this “Polish guy” is and I don’t care.
I know who is a Putinista here and you are obviously a Putin sycophantic toadie.
If you are comforted that there are others that think like you, enjoy it.
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Jason, you wear the label well!”
Thanks. I am proud to be on Ukraine’s side and not on Putin’s side.
We all have choices to make. I made mine and you made yours.
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Anonymous, you also wear the “Putin Lapdog Sycophant” label well.
Just want to return the compliment.
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Is Biden still alive?
I haven’t seen or heard ONE reference to him since he left office.
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“So NYC is offended when you point out Putin is responsible for this war?
I wonder why that would be.”
-Is there a record for how many times you are wrong in a 5 minute period?
idiotic “translation”, once again.
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So Jason the proud maniac Ukrainiac refuses to answer whether Michal Kuz, the homely anti Russian polish diplomat with a PhD in political science is a miseducated “Putin lover” and Putinista for expressing the same criticisms of Zelensky as many on this board. Got it.
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I know nothing about Michal Kuz, never read anything he wrote. Whether he is a Ukraine or Russia supporter is completely irrelevant to me.
But I certainly know what YOU write.
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I’m puzzled as to why you felt the need to restate that.”
NYC was “puzzled”.
Translation, because we always know what this moron really means: “offended”
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@amuse
@amuse
UKRAINE: Fun fact – Ukraine does not permit Russian gas to transit through its territory for either domestic consumption or resale to Europe. Consequently, Ukraine is compelled to purchase gas indirectly from Europe, much of which originates in Russia. In other words, Ukraine still acquires Russian gas, albeit through European intermediaries. This indirect approach reduces the overall supply of gas available in Europe, driving prices higher. Ironically, Ukraine’s ban on direct Russian gas transit thus negatively impacts European consumers while benefiting Russia, which can charge elevated prices due to constrained supply.
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So how many people in your family are substance abusers, Tina? There has to be a reason you accuse so many of it.
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NYC says he agrees Putin started the war.
So maybe he can explain why after committing untold war crimes in Ukraine, displacing 10 million people, destroying hundreds of cities and towns, bombing and shelling residential area, schools and hospitals, attacking Ukraine’s infrastructure including its energy grid, killing, torturing, kidnapping, raping, and exiling hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian civilians, Putin should be rewarded and why somehow any of this can be justified by Zelensky’s “behavior”.
Let’s hear it.
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Ukraine does not permit Russian gas to transit through its territory for either domestic consumption or resale to Europe.”
Wow, that is all you got?
Ukraine should allow the invaders and war criminals to “transit gas through its territory”
Really?
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Jason, I posted a link to him above but I’ll make it easy for you and post what he wrote below. He is a vehemently anti Russian currently staffed Polish diplomat with a phD in political science. Is he a “Putinista” or “a Putin lover” for expressing the below criticism of Zelensky, which is similar to what others on this board have said. I’m just trying to see if you are a real poster and not someone gaslighting everyone on this board with baseless insults for having legitimate criticisms of Zelensky’s abysmal conduct in the Oval Office. Here’s what Kuz wrote and
I look forward to your proud Ukrainiac assessment of Kuz –
I listened very carefully to the entire (approx. 50 min.) public part of the exchange between Volodymyr Zelensky and Donald Trump and JD Vance. Sorry, I’ll be honest, Zelensky absolutely did not let himself be provoked, he was actively looking for a fight, or he knows nothing at all about American political culture. Trump, yes, nonchalantly approached the facts about European politics and history, like most Americans. However, he was relatively conciliatory for 80% of the time of the conversation, talking about himself as a businessman who had “reached an agreement” and wanted to take a middle position between the parties to the conflict. Zelensky kept correcting him, attacking him; he even countered neutral remarks about the destruction of Ukrainian cities, which could have been safely passed over in silence. Vance also initially attacked his predecessors, not Zelensky. It was Zelensky who first attacked Vance, as if he owed him something. Then everything spilled over.
No, seriously, just compare it to how Macron, for example, spoke to Trump. I understand where the hearts of Polish commentators lie. Americans are, however, extremely sensitive to a certain political decorum during such meetings, even more so than the British, only this decorum is slightly different, less rigid in language, but very, very clearly emphasizing the status of the Republic. I lived and worked in the US for years and culturally, humanly, I literally have no words for what the president of Ukraine did, my teeth hurt from gnashing when I watched it in its entirety. As I wrote, I perceive Zelensky’s behavior as an attempt to play to the public in Kiev, then he will return to negotiations. However, if there is no such return, it will be his own fault.
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NYC, Jason and Bitter are lashing out as if the future of the US is at stake. In reality, Ukraine’s future is squarely on the table, and Big Z screwed the pooch bigly.
Not sure what they’re so worried about, Europe’s got this. Their collective GDP is many times that as Vlad’s; they can kick him out of Ukraine – if they send troops.
But, the dirty little secret is that Europe is partly funding Putin by buying from Russia. They, like Biden, are not interested in Ukraine winning; they just wanted Russia weakened, no matter how many Ukrainians they sacrificed.
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bitterlawyer, that was Fla2025 above. Is there a way to get the system to include a handle without it making it “anonymous’?
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“Is Biden still alive”
LOL Good damn question! I was wondering that myself.
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DW? I don’t make the settings. I don’t know why some posters are anonymous.
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Chicon claims he used to support Ukraine so there must have been a time when he believed it was in the interest of the U.S. to do so. Then he joined the Cult.
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Eric Daugherty
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J.D. Vance hasn’t made a singular political move since he was chosen as Trump’s running mate in 2024 that harms his political stock. Not a single one. Every time he’s called to the spotlight – he shines. I am impressed.
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There is so much profiteering off the Ukrainian War – money zigzagging around from protagonists to antagonists, from the arms industry to the black market, from taxpayers to grifters. Backing away from being involved will be brutal for those benefitting from it, and a relief to those who are sent out to be maimed or killed because of it.
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As for that redundant question always being asked by Bitter – “how many Ukrainians do you want killed?” – less will be killed the sooner a peace agreement is signed. And, more will be killed the longer the war is extended.
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No one but Trump has offered any viable solution other than send Ukranians into the meat grinder at about 5million dollars a head.
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Jan – You have supported Ukraine’s total surrender since the first day of the war. I find it ironic that you have unquestioning loyalty the J6 protestors but nothing but contempt for Zelensky and Ukrainians who actually face death every day.
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Jason – how does Putin benefit from Zelenskyy/Ukraine signing an agreement to develop their rare minerals industries with Trump/United States of America (not Altruism)?
I can’t answer your question because I don’t understand how this agreement, if signed, benefits Putin in any way.
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“No one but Trump has offered any viable solution other than send Ukranians into the meat grinder at about 5million dollars a head.”
Yup.
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“But, the dirty little secret is that Europe is partly funding Putin by buying from Russia. They, like Biden, are not interested in Ukraine winning; they just wanted Russia weakened, no matter how many Ukrainians they sacrificed.”
-YUP!
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The proposed mineral deal without security guarantees was just US theft of Ukrainian resources without Russian tanks.
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Will a foreign born, commie judge block this?
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Time to find out what really happened to the hundreds of billions of dollars sent to Ukraine …
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Bitter, you re-write the history of posts on this blog to suit your own purposes – degrading the sentiments of others here. Like others, I at first supported Ukrainian support. That support eroded the longer and more brutal the war became. Full stop. There’s also little reason now to bash the mineral deal as it is off the table, leaving Zelenskyy and the Europeans fully to determine and finance other solutions.
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Notice again how the free passers ignore the Euros getting their money back.
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Bitter said….”you have unquestioning loyalty the J6 protestors but nothing but contempt for Zelensky and Ukrainians who actually face death every day.”
One major difference, at least to me, is that one group you refer to is American, and one isn’t.
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And poooty poot gets richer from the oil that the euro trash leaders are buying.
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Víctor David Hansen, one of the nation’s leading Historians and leading conservative thinker, is spot on in his assessment of Zelensky and the ramifications of his Oval Office performance. No doubt, he has just made the maniac Ukrainiac Putin lover/Putinista list for having the temerity to publicly voice his criticism of Zelensky. Tina, put him at the top of the list! He clearly doesn’t hold a sincere, learned critic and is clearly a Putin Toadie according to the maniac Ukrainiac –
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I hope Musk is able to do a serious audit of Ukrainian aid – something that has been requested by many for a long time. Even though such an audit might uncover enormous graft and corruption of funding and armaments handed over, it will probably only be excused and rationalized as “good” by our Ukrainian acolytes here.
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darn, bitter lawyer, that was Fla2025 above. The system keeps doing this anonymous thing
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And he was for the war.
@NolteNC
If anyone’s a Russian plant it’s Zelensky.
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“The proposed mineral deal without security guarantees was just US theft of Ukrainian resources without Russian tanks.”
-Yet, you still refuse to advocate for a troop presence to provide those security guarantees.
Something tells me you’re not at all willing to listen to anyone who could explain that the development of industries by U.S. companies for the country of Ukraine will in and of itself become a security guarantee, albeit in a different form than either you or Zelenskyy can appreciate at this point.
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VDH right on the money, as usual.
Let’s see if Jason and/or Bitterlaw can make 1 cogent argument to refute any of his 10 points.
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I loved the Victor Davis Hansen piece! He is, hands down, my favorite historian, author, well-balanced and reasoned interpreter of politics. The commentary above exemplifies how gifted he is in seeing through all the BS. Thanks for posting something so worthy to read.
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The minerals deal = a security guarantee.
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Bitter, I turned off the requirement to have a login account a few weeks ago when wordpress went haywire, on its own as it turned out. So that’s why if you don’t log in, it posts the comments as Anonymous. If that starts to become a problem, or if bunu returns, I will put it back on to require logins, over the protestations of jason.
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There are limited places to acquire these minerals that will be essential for winning the technology war. The arctic and Ukraine happen to be two large sources, which is why we see China and Russia scrambling to take or make deals. Neither place has the capacity for development now without a world power. The mineral deal takes what Putin has not already stolen off the table without a direct confrontation with the United States. It is a brilliant move for the U.S. and creates a position of strength for negotiating the second two steps of the deal… ceasefire and security guarantees. Unless capitalism is now stealing, there is no stealing involved, as any investor that fronts the capital and development shares profit with the land owner in a typical arrangement.
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points are valid or not… it shouldn’t matter who makes them if they aren’t abusive
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NT at 5:00
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”Unless capitalism is now stealing, there is no stealing involved, as any investor that fronts the capital and development shares profit with the land owner in a typical arrangement.”
-Both Jason and Bitterlaw were accusing me, erroneously, of being “against profits” in the very recent past……very funny to see them now think we are really called The United States of Altruism(c).
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I saw a replay of the Fox News interview with Zelenskyy. What a changed man he was from his more confrontational meeting with Trump. On Fox a more solicitous Zelenskyy was present – non-interrupting, grateful, fully on board for peace. The transformation was amazing, and the intent obvious – to endear the American people to his side.
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Jan loves people who support her views. Such an intellectual.
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“DW – just to make sure – the fact that Putin started the war has never been in doubt by anyone at this blog. I’m puzzled as to why you felt the need to restate that.”
Because to solve any problem, it is important to start with where the problem began. The problem is this long war that seems to have no end. We all would like to see it end.
The war began with Putin’s aggression. That’s the problem. The war is Putin’s war. That is what needs to be solved and brought to a resolution.
From what I have read elsewhere and even here, by some, it sounds more like the war started in some sort of vacuum, or in some mysterious circumstances that no one can really know, and so ending it involves evaluating the character of each side and trying to decide which side is more virtuous and more deserving of benefiting from the outcome of the conflict.
I am glad you agree that Putin started the war. And so given Putin is a danger to the world as an aggressive hardliner communist from the USSR era, seeing him expand his borders and slaughter his neighbors should be a concern to all who love freedom and liberty, regardless our perceptions of the virtues of Ukraine and its leaders.
If the end of the war results in Putin gaining the territory he sought, then we should speak of Western Civilization having lost this war, because Putin’s gain is our loss.
I am not pretending to have all the answers or even to know the best way forward. But I know who the aggressor is, and I know what the best outcome would be, and that is for Putin to completely withdraw his troops and end what he started.
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And the Ukrainians have to fight to survive. The J6 protestors could have stayed outside.
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Like others, I at first supported Ukrainian support.
Absolute lie by Jan.
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March 1, 2025 at 4:09 pm
That was me again. I forgot again to log in.
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According to the Cult, China and Russia developing Ukrainian mineral sources is evil. America doing it for profit is beautiful. So what percentage defines the difference between evil and beautiful?
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NycMike , just ignore that victor david Hansen guy. He’s an ignorant Putin toadie who clearly doesn’t hold sincere beliefs cricitical of Zelensky. He’s on the Putin payroll, of course. But I’m sure the lead Ukrainian has never heard of him so he can’t comment.
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”then we should speak of Western Civilization having lost this war”
Putins goal was to take Ukraine and/or make it irrelevant. If Ukraine survives largely intact and rebuilds in a stronger position, they have won.
Our feelings of pride about whether “we” won a war is not in the best interest of Ukraine.
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“I am not pretending to have all the answers or even to know the best way forward. But I know who the aggressor is, and I know what the best outcome would be, and that is for Putin to completely withdraw his troops and end what he started.”
-I agree in principle, but I’m not willing, and neither is Jason/bitterlaw, to commit American troops to make that happen. So, what to do?
Trump looks at the minerals deal as a different way to give Ukraine, and the US, leverage to push Putin back a little bit. Will Putin gain something? Probably. But it will be less than he has gained right now.
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“Our feelings of pride about whether “we” won a war is not in the best interest of Ukraine.”
That’s not really what I am talking about. National pride over winning or losing is what we do when it comes to an Olympic hockey game.
The lives of hundreds of thousands who have died, and the countless who have been impoverished by this war, and the future geopolitical realities that will come from the outcome of this war have real meaning in terms of winning or losing.
If Putin wins, its much more than the loss of pride, its a validation of his aggression and a step toward the direction he wants to go. Given his background which is easy to learn about, his direction is not good for the world.
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”China and Russia developing Ukrainian mineral sources is evil. America doing it for profit is beautiful.”
Ukraine developing its resources is beautiful. They can choose whichever partner they want. Putin has shown he is just going to steal it, so yes that would be evil. If they believe that China or the US would do it to their benefit, that is up to them. If the US does it to rob them and leave them to die… yes that would be evil. It is up to you whether you cynically believe that is the goal or not.
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Dw, good points even if I don’t fully agree. Your characterization of Putin as the tyrannical aggressor that shouldn’t be perceived to be rewarded in any settlement is correct, but I think what people are focusing on is the fact that sometimes you’ve got to bite the bullet and come to a settlement with them. I hated the fact that we had to sit at the peace table with North Vietnamese communists (particularly when they held us prisoners), but in hindsight, it was a necessary evil if the US public wasnt going to support any further escalation and commitment of US troops. It’s the best of a really bad situation caused in large part by the weakness of the prior administration. I think that’s where people are coming at this even if we can’t agree.
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Jan loves people who support her views. Such an intellectual.
What I don’t like is someone who spins my views then calls me a liar . That’s a pathetic way to have an even-handed discussion of differing POVs.
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I have never trusted Trump on Ukraine. I have no doubt he would gladly take all of the Ukrainian resources for the U.S. and let Ukraine fall.
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Thank you, to most of you, for a good conversation on a tough subject.
Out for the day.
Cheers.
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“It’s the best of a really bad situation caused in large part by the weakness of the prior administration. I think that’s where people are coming at this even if we can’t agree.”
You have brought up something that I should be partly corrected for. It is Putin’s war, and he is fully responsible for it, but its also true that Biden invited Putin to invade and take some of Ukraine. This does NOT absolve Putin of any responsibility, but it does implicate Biden as welcoming Putin’s crimes.
Biden’s regime has to go down as one of the darkest four years in American history. Utter, and unmitigated stupidity and ineptness in our executive office.
I still wish we had DeSantis now, but that’s the way it goes.
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Another day, another day reading Bitter call others names, lie about them and pretty much engage in self-pity from morning until night.
Somebody call him a WHAAAAA-BULANCE!
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DW said….”If Putin wins, its much more than the loss of pride, its a validation of his aggression and a step toward the direction he wants to go.”
1. Without significant troops from Europe or the US, Putin will win. Wishing it weren’t so doesn’t change that. Endless cash (even if it all got to the actual fight) hasn’t changed that.
2. The idea that somehow Russia will gain momentum to take over Europe after a major struggle to gain, so far, a quarter of Ukraine doesn’t pass muster, imo. Europe has far more people than Russia and five times (plus) the GDP. Europe can handle them, if they want to and are actually afraid of them.
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Chicon, I expect Putin to “win” and that is a shame. But my concern is that people in our country understand what is happening, and understand this as a Putin win, and a loss for Europe and Western nations. But I expect that when Putin wins, there will be many who thinks its good for us, when the exact opposite is true.
And no one has said that we expect Russia to take over Europe. Russia never did that after WWII and we don’t expect that now. But he already basically has Belarus in his pocket, and taking significant portions of Ukraine goes a long way toward rebuilding the USSR. Moldova and small countries like that are a joke and could be easily readded as future Putin “wins” and I wonder if they even want to bother with the Asian “stan” countries as they might be more liability than they are worth. Ukraine was and is the prize.
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Good luck with the blog DW and chicon. I will continue to search. I hope things in Ukraine work out to both of your satisfaction.
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