This weekend, many in D.C. will be making their escape before Trump is sworn in. This reminds me of one of the most famous escapes in American history.
June 12, 1962, three prisoners, Clarence Anglin, John Anglin, and Frank Morris escaped from the maximum security prison on Alcatraz island in San Francisco bay. The jail was considered escape proof.
It made national news for weeks as the manhunt found clues but no trace of the three convicts. If you are unfamiliar with the story, the wiki page is a good summary:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_1962_Alcatraz_escape_attempt
It is clear that the inmates left the island in a raft they made from raincoats. Their fate has been the speculation of many, but we will probably never know. The exercise today is for everyone to share his or her opinion. What happened to these three men:
- They got to the mainland and lived out their natural lives in hiding.
- They drowned in the water trying to reach the mainland.
I will wait to post my belief on the matter until later. If you have a third option, say it, but it will likely be a subset of one of the two above.
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128 responses to “Escape from Alcatraz”
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They founded Deep State and were involved in the assassination of JFK.
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I take that response Bitter as a subset of option #2
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Good question. I have seen several programs on this. In a pre-internet world, it was easy to disappear if they made it to shore. However, people eventually talk so I doubt that if any survived that they would not have eventually been driven to speak or sell the story for a book or movie.
I understand that the odds against at least one body being discovered are high but I have always heard the water is cold with strong currents. I say it is 90% likely they drowned.
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They made a movie out of it with Clint Eastwood “escape from Alcatraz.” Nice film.
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Yes, the film insinuates that they made it to Angel island and got away from there. The inmates were brilliant, especially Morris, as they crafted fake heads with hair they got from the barber shop so the guard would think they were asleep when in fact they were up in their secret workshop building their raft. Its also true that the Anglins were good swimmers, not so much with Morris.
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I believe whatever the government says happened.
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I have watched some shows that try to prove the brothers ended up in Brazil. A facial recognition expert said a picture taken in Brazil matches an aged Angling brother and there are tales of some “Americanos” camping in the hills. I didn’t find the evidence that convincing.
Some of the raft washed up on an island, so I wonder why if that was the direction of the current why would the bodies not ended up there too.
Still, I think the most likely option is they drowned.
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I believe whatever Gateway Pundit says happened.
Easy fix.
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If you read the wiki, there are reports that they made it. An officer cited a boat, there was a missing electrical cord, a stolen car, Christmas cards and or letters sent after, and possible sightings at the parents’ funerals.
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Many documentaries have been done, and there was an investigator who reopened the case to look at it, and found that there was a blue Chevy that was stolen the day after the escape, and then later, a man reported a blue Chevy driven by three men nearly ran him off the road. Very circumstantial. In San Fran area, there were probably cars stolen every day.
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Very interesting overall.
Negative chance that they survive includes the strong tides and the cold water temps.
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WYDEN: “We are in an arms race on clean energy with China.”
BESSENT: “China will build 100 new coal plants this year. There is not a clean energy race. There is an energy race.”
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Jason says…I believe whatever Gateway Pundit says happened.
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Easy fix.
Kinda weak….
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One of the theories is the raft made out of raincoats was just a ruse, hoping the authorities believed they tried it and drowned, and that they made it off the island another way.
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and possible sightings at the parents’ funerals.”
They would have been smarter than that. They would know the FBI would be there.
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I highly recommend the film. There are some nude scenes in it, which I don’t think will make the cut today for a film that was PG rated at the time.
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Kinda weak….”
Hey, it’s a lot closer to the truth than…
“I believe whatever the government says happened”
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Good post Dw.
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I see the goblin bragged about his j6 prosecutions. The fact remains that most will be pardoned. The goblin is tough on Maga grandparents/non violent ones strolling through the Capitol.
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The parent’s funeral is clearly a joke. This story was hugely popular, and especially so after it was revived in 1979 due to the film. Some jokesters showed up at the funerals just to add to the folklore. Whether or not they lived or died in 1962, they would NOT have shown up in a disguise as jason said.
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So I guess the raft did not show up on Angel Island but on a beach near the Golden Gate Bridge.
“The escape was not discovered until the morning of June 12 due to the successful dummy head ruse.[30][31] Multiple military and law-enforcement agencies conducted an extensive air, sea, and land search over the next ten days. On June 14, a Coast Guard cutter picked up a paddle floating about 200 yards (180 m) off the southern shore of Angel Island. On the same day and in the same general location, workers on another boat found a wallet wrapped in plastic complete with names, addresses, and photos of the Anglins’ friends and relatives.[24] On June 21, shreds of raincoat material, believed to be remnants of the raft, were found on a beach not far from the Golden Gate Bridge. The following day, a prison boat picked up a deflated life jacket made from the same material 50 yards (46 m) off Alcatraz Island. According to the final FBI report, no other physical evidence was found”
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You would have thought he would have held on to the wallet if alive, but who knows.
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why wrap the wallet in plastic to keep it dry if you were just going to discard it after reaching land? The other side says, that would be the perfect ruse to convince investigators they drowned.
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Could be. But I think the most likely reason to wrap your wallet with the addresses would be to keep it dry, and losing it most likely is the result of him drowning first. But I am open to the ruse theory, I just think it is less likely.
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DW – Enlighten us
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This woman is truly an imbecile…geezus
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Okay, here is my take on the escape from Alcratraz:
I am firmly in the camp of option 2, they drowned in the waters of San Francisco bay.
Clearly their homemade raft worked initially because if it failed right away, they would have returned to shore and given themselves up. The water was cold. Their plan was to paddle to Angel island. The raft might have survived a hundred yards or so and then started to fall apart due to the rough waters. Soon the men were in the water with no choice but to swim. There was a strong current that night pushing everything toward the sea.
One documentary featured a professional swimmer who jumped in the water near the island and tried to swim to Angel island. This test was done under similar water temperatures and similar current that was in play that night of the escape. The swimmer had the benefit of protective gear, thermal swimming cap, etc., but he swam in daylight for safety. He gave it all he had, but the currents took him west, away from Angel island and toward the golden gate. Then he got way too cold and had to abandon the swim.
But the best proof that they drowned is the fact that none of the three were ever arrested again. These career criminal types are always in and out of prison, and the chances that all three would never be arrested again were slim to none.
The bodies were never found because they either sank, or they were carried along by the current, under the golden gate bridge, and out to sea before daylight.
The only possibility is if Morris and the Anglins were super smart, and spent the extra weeks stealing the concertina (inflater) and raincoats to build the raft all as a ruse, and put it to sail that night on its own, with the wallet and empty life vests and oars, knowing some of it would be found leading the FBI to think they drowned, and they had some other means of escape, like hiding in the ferry boat, or they had some other raft that was towed behind the ferry boat. But such theorizing like this starts to violate Occam’s Razor.
They probably had no idea how cold the water was until they got in the raft, and they probably had no ideas about the direction of the current that night, whether it was going out to sea or if the tide was coming in. There must have been a quick go-or-no-go discussion, but given all they had done up to that point, to not go must have seemed absurd as they were all bent on escape and their adrenalin rush must have been intense…until the cold water ended their lives.
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Probably the most likely outcome.
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It is possible they studied the currents and the tides, because they did a lot of research for the other items of their escape
“Morris found in the March 1962 issue of Popular Mechanics, with the article, Your Life Preserver — How will it behave if you need it?.[25][26][27] Morris found other ideas in magazines; resin to make a lamp shade in the November 1960 issue of Popular Mechanics,[25] and Signposts of Water Safety about channel buoys indicating course and navigation hazards, in the May 21, 1962, issue of Sports Illustrated.[25] They also assembled a six-by-fourteen-foot rubber raft, the seams carefully stitched by hand and sealed with liquid plastic available in the shops”
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Did they know this?
“The prison breakers’ best chance of success would have been an 11:30 p.m. departure, Baart says. This would have landed them to the northeast of the Golden Gate Bridge. Additionally, it would have washed any evidence of their escape east, to Angel Island (where the FBI later found a paddle and some personal belongings). At other times of the night, the tides and currents could have swept these objects to shores all around the bay.
The currents in the San Francisco Bay are notoriously strong. If the tides were pushing the wrong way, the raft could have been swept into a wide trajectory and sunk before reaching land. Or if the tides were just right, the paddle to freedom could have been short and sweet. According to Baart, the model shows that if the trio left any time before 11 p.m. they would have been hopelessly swept out to sea.
“You can see, even if they are paddling in a way that makes sense with the current, the tide switches and sucks them out past the bridge,” he said.”
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One documentary used all sorts of computer models and confirmed there was really no good time for them to leave that night, none would have resulted in an easy paddling to freedom.
“stitched by hand and sealed with liquid plastic available in the shops”
I am not sure a commercially manufactured inflatable raft would have made it through those rough waters. But one put together with stitching and homemade glue? Sorry. 100 yards tops. But this is the hardest part of the story to believe, from my perspective, that Morris believed that this boat would work. But desperate criminals would roll the dice.
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Even an escapee that “made it” arrived at Angels island in really. bad shape.
if you are ever out here ( I know Bl does not go west of the Mississippi), the tour of Alcatraz and angel island is well worth it.
just bundle up if you come.
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Laken Riley act advances in the senate. Final vote Monday.
This appears to be the first major bill that Trump will sign right away.
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Worried, Ossoff?
Democrats who voted “aye” were Sens. Ruben Gallego (Ariz.), Mark Kelly (Ariz.), Jon Ossoff (Ga.), Gary Peters (Mich.), Jacky Rosen (Nev.), Catherine Cortez Masto (Nev.), Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.), Maggie Hassan (N.H.), Mark Warner (Va.) and Elissa Slotkin (Mich.). Gallego and Sen. John Fetterman (D-Pa.), who did not vote, were co-sponsors of the legislation
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Fetterman will vote for final passage.
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Trump,to be sworn in inside Capitol.
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Jason said….”Kinda weak….”
Hey, it’s a lot closer to the truth than…
“I believe whatever the government says happened””
Sarcasm, Chief. A jab at the Ostriches…
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Zzzzz….
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Latest update on my friend Don and his wife Cindy.
Don is still the same. Now running a temperature. More confused and speaks mostly gibberish. Very rapid breathing. Breathing through his stomach…
Cindy–who is NOT an invalid– “fell” at home night before/early morning. Sho did not hurt herself in the fall. Fell into a stuffed chair that had a deep seat. She could not get up by herself. She called friend who has a key. Cindy had also locked the STORM DOOR so they could not get to the door they had a key to. Had to go to back door inside a screened in porch. THAT storm door was locked. They had to cut the screen to get to the back door to get in.
Pitiful.
What is with people who fall and cannot manage to GET THEMSELVES TURNED OVER AND CRAWL TO A CHAIR AND PULL THEIR DUMB SELF UP.
Will be in the hospital for a few more days before they will release him to go to a skilled nursing home, when they find one.
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So far today, I have started laundry, gone to the Rescue Mission to haul the dumb bunny know (who has poor decision making skills) to the bank.
When dumb bunny comes out of the bank, THEN he tells me I have to take him to Walgreens (different part of town), and after he comes out of Walgreens, then tells me to take him to McDonalds.
At the bank, I told him he only needed to pay me $5 for this trip, since it was only to the bank.. When he added the other stops, I told him he needed to pay me another $5 which he readily did.
Then I go pick up my snow blower and wrestle it in the car (with no help from the dumb bunny). Come home and wrestle the snow blower out of the car by myself and then hit the huge snow piles put there by the snow plow guy in front of my mailbox and two of my neighbors.
Next job is to haul out the ladder and take down all the outside Christmas wreaths.
I will get lunch if I get a chance.
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Vivek to run for Ohio governor in 2026. Shoe-in?
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Kristi Noem Pledges to Shut Down Joe Biden’s ‘Consierge Service’ CPB One for Illegal Migrants on Day One
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The details behind their escape were fascinating. This was no spontaneous plan. It was tediously concocted and implemented by smart men committed to their goal of escaping the prison alive. So, I tend to believe they deliberately left scraps of their escape scattered around to be found and construed as evidence they had drown. It also seems believable they would have people on the outside waiting to help them. If they were able to make it south of the border then they would be able to blend in and vanish by attaining anonymity.
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Cool story on Hegseth. Don’t tell Bitter (iirc, he’s nor a redemption guy).
https://pjmedia.com/chris-queen/2025/01/17/pete-hegseths-story-of-redemption-n4936039
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A win for the Establishment Wing…
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/17/ohio-senate-seat-dewine-husted-ramaswamy-00198974
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Jan, everyone agrees their plan was intensely detailed. Right down to an excellent job of making the dummy heads with real hair, and painted skin color. Where I have a hard time with it is if the raft was a ruse, along with the stolen concertina, and the stolen raincoats, that was a huge risk to steal those items over time, and then them taking all that time to build the raft for just a ruse. Every time they did anything there was risk of being caught. I don’t think they would have taken those risks for a ruse raft.
That means the raft was what they used to try to get to the mainland. I just cannot believe that the raft they built would have been seaworthy to get the mile and a half to Angel island, or the mile south to the city. And when the raft failed, they were in frigid water, left to swim to land.
A professional tried this same swim under the same temperature and tide conditions, and could not make it.
If their craft failed within the first few yards into the water, they would have stayed on the island looking for some other way off, leaving the raft adrift to be found as it was. But then how did they get off the island before dawn? Any accomplice boat would have been spotted by the watch tower approaching the island.
Its why it makes the most sense that their skills at raft making were pretty good…good enough to get 100 yards out, but then when it failed, they were Donner Party, in a deadly situation, in cold water, too far to go back and too far to get to Angel island.
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Walt, when I read your posts I really don’t know what to say as there are so many problems swirling around you. While at a loss for words I do commend you for being there for friends in so much distress. You are indeed the epitome of what it means to be a good friend in actions.
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I’m not. People can live better lives but they can never take away the pain and negative consequences of what they do. I don’t forgive or forget.
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Rationally, DW, your conclusions make more sense than mine. However, maybe my experiences in the nursing field have let me experience what some would say are miracles of faith, where the indomitable spirit of people can never be underestimated.
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DW, what level of importance do you put on the lack of bodies (or parts thereof)?
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A win for the Establishment Wing…
Husted was going to run for governor, but is now slotted for the Senate seat. This gives Vivic, who initially wanted to run for governor, a clearer path for such a run. IMO, it’s workable.
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Chicon, that’s a very legit question, but remember that time was of the essence. They wanted to get as far from that prison as possible before the morning check when the dummy heads were discovered. So they may well have been drowned before midnight. Or even it was at two in the morning, those bodies would either been at the bottom or floated well out to sea, where it would be looking for a needle in a haystack and not long before the bodies turned to mush and there was nothing to find.
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DW, if forced to bet the ranch, I’d say they were shark bait by midnight. But I wouldn’t want to bet a lot on it.
I’ve wondered how far away they needed to get if the plan was to meet a boat. If the raft didn’t need to last very long, I think they had a shot. Of course, that opens further questions; such as how they would secretly communicate with their outside accomplices.
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I wouldn’t vote for Vivek for ANY elected position. But I don’t live in OH.
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The problem was the current…which was strongly pushing out to sea regardless how long their raft survived. But I am not sure how far out the watchtower could see at night or if they regularly swept the waters with searchlights.
They did seem to be on a tight schedule as they would not wait for the forth escapee who was delayed trying to get through his air vent.
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In 1985, President Ronald Reagan held his swearing-in at the White House and Rotunda due to cold temperatures. There was no parade.
Gee, yet another Reagan/Trump similarity.
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Husted is not an isolationist like Vivek, so if that make him “establishment”, fine with me.
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Gee, yet another Reagan/Trump similarity.”
Wow.
I can think of other “similarities”.
They both had more than one marriage. They both had children.
But of course only one of them was actually a Republican and actually a conservative.
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Just like Trump didn’t need your vote, Jason, so will Vivek survive without your support.
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It will be awfully cold in dc for the Inauguration Day.
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These senators are embarrassing.
RON WYDEN: “We’re in a clean energy arms race with China. Which side are you on?”
SCOTT BESSENT: “China will build a hundred new coal plants this year. There is not a clean energy race. There’s an energy race.”
He’s 100% right.
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The “purity” given to Jason/Bitter’s ideal definition of a conservative does not mirror what others see as “conservative.” But, their holier-than-thou image of themselves will never change how they mock one president while idolizing another, even though much of Trump/Reagan’s bio, policies, popularity with the people are very similar.
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It will be awfully cold in dc for the Inauguration Day.
AccuWeather predicts it will be 25 degrees.
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Jan, the similarities between Reagan and Trump are many. This really irritates the Pure Conservatives. Reagan and McCain have reached a level where it is impossible for either to have been wrong about anything. Kinda like……oh, my……a cult.
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That id not that cold.
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What is the appeal of Vivek?
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Jan says….”Just like Trump didn’t need your vote, Jason, so will Vivek survive without your support.”
At least the Pure Conservatives (like Opus Dei) can say they never waned from their fierce dedication to their perceived perfection. Just like all deadenders….
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Bitter said….What is the appeal of Vivek?
To you? I dunno. To young people who identify as Republicans (some of whom you dislike), he’s a very bright and articulate spokesperson for their views. In other words, he connects to them.
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Jan, the similarities between Reagan and Trump are many”
LOL
The Reagan haters hate Reagan but deep down they want Trump to be like Reagan.
You got to feel sorry or them, poor torn souls.
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does not mirror what others see as “conservative.”
This is true, I am not surprised you don’t know what a conservative is.
Btw, still waiting for a yes or no from Chicon…
Is Trump a conservative? Yes or no?
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Just like Trump didn’t need your vote, Jason, so will Vivek survive without your support.””
We shall see.
I have a feeling he will bomb as a candidate. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but he imploded as a Presidential candidate.
He is taking my suggestion of lower office first, but governor is still too high a bar. I recommend Cleveland city council to start.
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What is the appeal of Vivek?”
You know the answer. Isolationism and sophomoric populist garbage.
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Good news!
The jury in the two-week defamation trial between a former military veteran and Mid-East contract evacuation expert, Zachary Young, and news network CNN has returned its verdict. CNN has been found liable for the defamation of Young, and the jury further found that the network acted with malice in its reporting on Young.
In finding CNN liable for those counts, the jury returned two compensatory damages awards. They find that Young is entitled to $4 million in damages due to the economic impact on his ability to work, and $1 million in emotional damages. The court has taken a recess for the time being and will enter into Phase 2 of the trial, which will concern what is probably the bigger determination: that involving the punitive damages”
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Of course there is no real justice. Jean Carroll gets 100 million and she didn’t even have a case.
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Just like Trump didn’t need your vote, Jason,”
Actually, that is wrong too.
Trump won PA by 120k votes. You can bet that without the vote of conservatives who don’t consider themselves MAGA or populists he would have lost the state.
Also Trump won Indies in PA by 50-44. Considering Dems still have a registration lead, this was also key to his win.
The idea that somehow Trump only won PA with the Cultist vote is maybe another Gateway Pundit theory, but it is not correct.
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Reagan and McCain have reached a level where it is impossible for either to have been wrong about anything. Kinda like……oh, my……a cult.
Ah, so well said. Reagan I have always respected. And, the fact his policies, popularity, humor, and parts of his biography bear similarities to Trump is simply an observation, and seems strange to be offensive to people like Jason and Bitter. If they disagree then disagree, but don’t get off on calling people”Reagan haters.” It’s so childish and divisive. John McCain, OTOH, seemed to turn into to a vindictive, angry man as he aged.
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You can bet that without the vote of conservatives who don’t consider themselves MAGA or populists he would have lost the state.
No one ever said Trump could win a state only with those identifying as MAGA or being a populist. Also “conservatives” are MAGA, and MAGA are conservative, even if you want to create your own dividing lines between the two.
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Jan, they don’t like Trump so they view any similarities between the two serve to lower Reagan. Whereas Trump supporters view any similarities as boosting Trump, since Reagan was a great president.
But, the main point is that Bitter and Jason view any minor negative talk about Reagan like Islamists view criticism of Allah. Just like cultists.
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Jan said….Also “conservatives” are MAGA, and MAGA are conservative, even if you want to create your own dividing lines between the two.
True dat. But to the Opus Dei faction of Pure Conservatives, MAGA are heretics.
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iew any minor negative talk about Reagan”
Zzzzzz…..
“Minor” my ass. The Reagan haters are always belittling Reagan and his accomplishments because they think that somehow diminishes Trump.
They also resent the fact that Reagan was an actual Republican and conservative visionary instead of a populist who borrows the R label and the conservative label when convenient.
“Also “conservatives” are MAGA, and MAGA are conservative”
No. The MAGA movement is not a conservative movement, it is a populist movement that incorporates some conservative ideas but also a lot of traditionally liberal and leftist ideas too.
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DW, excellent post today. Fun topic.
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Jason confirms…..
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It is funny that the MAGA cultists are not happy they have won. Their ideas are now a majority among R primary voters. Trump won the election. He has a majority in Congress and an opportunity to implement his agenda.
But no, the MAGA cultists don’t think that is enough. Everyone has to be 100% committed to EVERY cabinet nominee and EVERY initiative or you are a traitor or a RINO or a Democrat.
It is the type of deadender mentality that will not work out int the long run. You read it first here.
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“But to the Opus Dei faction of MAGA Cultists, all others are heretics.”
Fixed it for Chicon.
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Jason confirms…..
Chicon”
Always.
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Also “conservatives” are MAGA”
No.
I am a conservative, and I don’t have a problem with making America great again.
But I don’t I identify with what is currently defined as the MAGA movement, i.e. a populist protectionist and isolationist movement that views conservatism as a convenience rather than a principle.
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Jason says…“But to the Opus Dei faction of MAGA Cultists, all others are heretics.”
Fixed it for Chicon.”
Stealing my material? C’mon man…..
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Thanks everyone for participating in the Alcatraz Escape thread discussion. These are the sorts of American historical stories many of us find interesting. This one in particular has the bent where everyone is tempted to root for the escapees to make it alive. These men were bank robbers and escape artists, and we should be glad they did make it.
Postscript: Allen West, the fourth man who failed to get through his vent hole opening in time to join the others simply returned to his cell, and then cooperated with investigators. He ended up getting released from prison in 1967 only to go right back into prison the next year, and then murdered another inmate in 1972, and died in prison in 1978.
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For the Opus Dei duo….
If you’re king for a day and could name the Republican candidate for President in 2028 today, who would be your favorite candidate?
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DW, the DB Cooper case could be a similar subject, if you find it interesting.
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Mets are not going to sign Alonso after all. I think they offered him a pretty good 3 year deal. I don’t know why he didn’t take it, given I don’t see anyone else this late offering more.
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Will consider a thread for that one Chicon. I don’t want to do these kinds of thread too frequently, but its a good idea for a once in a while to break up the sequence a little.
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Regarding the Anglin brothers and Frank Morris-I’ve must of seen a dozen documentaries on this escape. I agree with one of those documentaries-they made it out with the help of someone with Mafia ties and lived out their lives in Brazil. This one documentary took that postcard featuring the Anglin brothers with the ant hill in background and computer generated match their faces almost to 100%. They said in a letter that followed that Frank Morris passed away years ago.
Some people in the following years since the escape have managed to pull of the almost yhr identical escape using the same stuff that these three men had at the time and in the same weather. It can be done.
Much like the D.B. Cooper escape up here in my neck of the woods. A person jumped out of airliner over Utah a few months after Cooper did it and survived. Again, it can be done.
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you’re king for a day and could name the Republican candidate for
President in 2028 today, who would be your favorite candidate?”
Ron DeSantis
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However, if Trump has a successful presidency the nominee will be Vance.
And if he doesn’t, DeSantis will be the nominee but might not win.
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Jason says he could never vote for Vivek. I’ll file that next to the “I’ll never vote for Trump” promise…..
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I’ll file that next to the “I’ll never vote for Trump” promise…..”
Ok
Add a file for Vance while you are at it.
And of course, there is context missing there. I didn’t say I wouldn’t vote for Trump, I said I wouldn’t with Vance or Vivek on the ticket.
I did in the end but only because I emailed Trump and he assured me he wasn’t going to die in office.
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Actually, I take that back. Four years is a long time and Vance could surprise me, although I doubt it. Keep the file on Vivek, but give Vance a Chance (catchy, huh?)
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‘they made it out with the help of someone with Mafia ties”
Zzzz……
Why would the Mafia be interested in these 3 multi-time losers?
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“I did in the end but only because I emailed Trump and he assured me he wasn’t going to die in office.”
That was good, well played.
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Jason, sorry to ruin your day, but I agree about DeSantis and Vance. I like them both, so far.
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John, do you know if anyone has attempted to test and see if they could stitch together raincoats to make an inflatable raft, using homemade glue to seal it, and then make the homemade oars, and then put three men in it with the same weight as the convicts, and see if they could paddle their way from Alcatraz to Angel island, or any mainland, under the same water temperature and water currents that were there in 1962?
If someone could redo that exact test, and make it safely to land, I will gladly rethink my view.
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“Why would the Mafia be interested in these 3 multi-time losers?”
Agreed. These men were bank robbers. No mafia ties. They were only sent to Alcatraz due to their skill at escaping.
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This the theory janzam is referencing. It has a lot of holes but fwiw the Daily Mail has a comprehensive story on it.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3270269/The-picture-proves-two-inmates-DID-escape-Alcatraz-Notorious-escapees-didn-t-drown-body-surfed-passenger-ferry-freedom-started-farm-Brazil-claims-family.html
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Jason, sorry to ruin your day, but I agree about DeSantis and Vance”
Don’t worry, many others have tried to besmirch my reputation by agreeing with me.
Water off a duck’s back.
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Wes must be smiling at Noem skewering Danang Dick (as he called him).
RICHARD BLUMENTHAL: “Will you help me reunite children with their parents who were separated by Trump’s family separation policy?”
KRISTI NOEM: “What I’m alarmed by is the over 300,000 children that went missing during the Biden administration.”
BLUMENTHAL: “Let’s put aside the labels and what happened in the past. There are still 1,000 children who were separated and waiting to be reunited. I’d like your commitment to continuing the effort to reunite them with their parents.”
NOEM: “Well, I can’t put aside 300,000 children.”
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DW, I believe people have tried to do the crossing with everything they knew those three had at the time. And btw, people have swam across the bay as well, let alone from half way across (Alcatraz).
As for the Mafia ties-I believe it was a friend of the family that bridged the gap with the Mafia. I’ve heard the name of Mickey Cohen and then Frank Brezzi and even Whitey Bulger.
But that could be hearsay.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/01/cbs-considering-settling-10-billion-lawsuit-trump-deceptively/
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it would be highly unusual for serial convicts to both escape and then ever after stay out of trouble with the law…even in another country. But making it from San Francisco to Brazil is easy to do in an article, harder to do in real life with an FBI manhunt going on.
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“And btw, people have swam across the bay as well, let alone from half way across (Alcatraz).”
Sure, they hold events that including swimming in the bay. But this was at night, in very cold water, and with a strong current pushing everything in the water to the sea.
One documentary setup that exact same scenario with a professional swimmer put into the water 100 yards out from Alcatraz, and he couldn’t make it. Had to get back into the boat.
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Yep, these were career criminals. Hard to believe they would be crime free forever after escaping. The fourth guy who they left behind because he was late ended up stabbing another inmate to death.
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Opus Dei is a movement of Catholics. Your analogy sucks.
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Reagan was not angry d-bag always insulting his opponents.
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Good answer by Noem. So, far I think she won as most impressive nominee going against Congress (from the limited highlights) All did welll though.
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Stupid analogy with Opus Dei
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DeSantis-Ayotte
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Because he wants to be THE MAN and Juan Soto will have that role.
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“It turns out that Abrams’ PACs were crooked back in 2018. Now those organizations are on the hook for the biggest ethics fine in Georgia history.
“The Georgia State Ethics Commission announced on Wednesday that it would fine New Georgia Project and New Georgia Project Action Fund $300,000 for its hidden use of dark money during Abrams’ first gubernatorial campaign,” reports Ben T. N. Mause at NOTUS. “The group illegally raised over $4.2 million, then poured over $3.2 million into efforts supporting Abrams’ and other Georgia Democrats’ elections, paying for flyers, organizing field offices and hiring thousands of canvassers who knocked hundreds of thousands of doors.”
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Bitterlaw
January 17, 2025 at 7:05 pm
DeSantis-Ayotte”
I second that ticket.
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John McCain, OTOH, seemed to turn into to a vindictive, angry man as he aged.
Irony Meter explodes as Trump is a vindictive angry man.
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NT at 8:00
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Vivek received fewer delegates in his primary than JEB! did in 2016. Let that set in.
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Bitter said…Vivek received fewer delegates in his primary than JEB! did in 2016. Let that set in.
Yep, Vivek got 3 and DeSantis got 9.
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Here is one j6er apparently convicted in dc by he kangaroo court of violence. He never touched the officer, who admitted to the fact on the stand. Hopefully, he appeals (sc no doubt), or gets a pardon/commutation.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/01/j6-prisoner-luke-coffee-was-convicted-assaulting-violent/
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