OK. YOu are just not interested I in what is happening in the WV delegate elect making terroristic threats to kill the Speaker and 6 other members of the House of Delegates.
I will refrain from posting more, unless he posts the $300,000 cash bail ande then gets out and kills people.
Tina said….Are you shocked at the agents that missed, chi. Did you see the pony tail brigade at the Butler rally.
0-for-6 from five feet seems pretty bad (good point by Jason that bushes played a part). I will admit, though, that I thought the Secret Service was far better than they showed this summer.
It is very clear that people in the U.S. (and most of the posters at HHS) have lost their trust in most U.S/ institutions, be it in the church, in higher education, in the pollsters, in the media, in both the established D and R parties, in the election process, in the courts, and in the federal government itself. The reasons are legion.--and we could expound on that and the WHY it has happened.
AND we (right and left) have devolved into the quick use of violence instead of reason and the rule of law and trust in “the system”. LOTS of example s over the last 15 years.
Trust is a crucial thing to have. It is a horrible thing to lose. And it is extremely difficult to reestablish. Similar to a guy who out of the blue got jilted by his serious girlfriend after they had been together for a while , talked marriage, names for the children they would bring into the world, etc.
Question. HOW do the Republicans (or Dems) in the federal government regain the trust of the American people?
How do they make the federal bureaucracy subservient to the American people, rather than the other way around?
Serious question to discuss. If you want to.
What big or little steps can be taken to accomplish the restoration of trust?
I HAVE had any interactions with him over the years. He calls me “brother”. Interactions with him in the BCRepClub when I was very active there for years, and he has attended the meetings of the organization that I have belonged to for 23 years and that met just last night where the police presence was. DeSoto is a dues paying member of organization–both the political PAC, and is one of the few PAC members who has also financially contributed to the organization’s Board on Managers on which I serve. DeSoto is a strange dude.
He had only TWO people who gave him political campaign contributions in his recent race–one for $250 and one for $80. Neither of them were from me. He raised and spent $41,000 in his primary race–most of it coming from himself (incl. a $30,000 loan he made to his own campaign) and he also got about $3,000 from his lawyer son in CA, and about $5 or $6,000 fro his lawyer wife (who I have never met).
He also got some contributions from a few PACs (our group does not endorse in the primary, We did narrowly vote to endorse both DeSoto and one other far right loon, in the uncontested general, but gave him no campaign contribution.
Go to his campaign website and look at his photos.
We are very busy here with doing “translations” on what other posters say, and also busy by making gigantic leaps of “well you said this so that means you believe this and that….”
Walt, there’s likely many sources for the issues you’ve raised. The advent of the computer, then the smart phone with social media attached, makes it easy to run to people like us.
Cable news has also had an impact – liberal friends of mine sometimes are completely unaware of stories covered ad nauseum on Fox (the opposite is also true).
Clarence Thomas asked a question i find very interesting – “what binds us together as a people?” I’m not sure if know an answer, other than momentum.
As far as what to do about it, I don’t have much. Generally, a good thing is to work to develop an understanding of why someone on the other side believes what they do.
On the internet, a good rule i don’t always follow, is to write as if you’re sitting next to the other person in a bar or restaurant.
Hear on the radio in the car today about a woman who has sex with 101 people in one day. I guess a 24 hour period. She did it to achieve a personal record of hers. The world record for this is a woman in Sweden (a worken in the po.rn industry) having sex with 921 men in one day. She got paid a lot of money to do this–and sure how much. She was interviewed and they played part of that and how she pretty much does not remember 90% of all that happened, no it was not “enjoyable” for her, and she felt bad because there was no verbal interaction with each of the men who were doing it to her.
NOW the woman who had sex with 101 men wants to shoot for doing it again with 1000 men and break the world record. She will again make a ton of money. She says that the venue will probably be is some factory or warehouse setting and she will be on a conveyor belt and be moved from one man to another.
The host of this show was discussing whether of not this sort of thing should be allowed. He opined that some (lets label them neo-conservatives) would view this as a liberty and freedom issue of consenting adults and there should be no effort by government to stop her from doing this. AFter all it involves consenting adults.
On the other hand, he said those who are (let’s call them conservatives) who would say government should intervene to prevent this. He said that his view is that such a thing would be moral depravity and self-degradation (albeit willingly by the woman) and self-harm and that it violates the social norms of society and should not be allowed.
“Walt – We used to discuss sports, movies, music, television, etc. Other than baseball, those topics just trigger accusations of wokeness.”
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TRUE.
We stopped because of the posts that followed that said “Well if you watched pro football then you are supporting taking the knee, giving the finger to the national anthem, wokeness…and that means you and not a conservative, etc. etc……”
Well if you watched pro football then you are supporting taking the knee, giving the finger to the national anthem, wokeness…and that means you and not a conservative, etc.”
Do YOU believe what the John Kirby and the other government officials here are telling you?
Trust issue….
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BTW, I have thought about putting a list on here of how drones could easily be used by those with evil intent toward the U.S. to deliver X, Y, and Z to sights containing A, B, and C and cause utter mayhem and death, but I am petrified that it might give nut jobs some ideas and so refuse to do that.
Once trust is broken, restoring it not only takes time but there has to be proof, other than words, that a person or an institution has become more trustworthy. Here, HHR is run by a stream of hubris, where opinions are readily smeared and dismissed, discouraging further civil discussions that aren’t testy. Until exchanges can be more open to differing POVs, without stomping on them first, the site will continue as it is now. The “translations” of other people’s posts are especially irritating. However, I believe it’s intentionally done to elicit useless denials so the conversations just become endless cycles of back and forths.
Regarding the J6 protesters —— I believe most of them should be pardoned, with some receiving monetary restitutions for the injustices committed by the zealous DOJ, many having their lives, families and businesses broken by lengthy incarcerations, even before they were able to go to trial. With a new administration accessing emails, information, videos etc., deliberately excluded or covered up by the Biden administration., the J6 prosecutions will eventually be seen as an unfortunate example of corrupt governmental abuse and overreach.
OH, I forgot to tell you the OTHER news story here in this corner of WV concerning a former legislator–this time a former WV State Senator.
Former Senator Sandra Lucht was a long time former Senator from here who served in the 1970s/1980s. She was just a little thing. Maybe 4 feet 10 inches tall at the most and probably did not weigh 85 pounds. She was a school psychologist.
She has health issues now. Husband passed last year. Her 59 year old son lives with her. On DEc. 10, he beat her up, picker her up off her bed and threw her across the room and into the wall which made big dents in the wall and left her crumpled on the floor wrapped around the legs of some wooden stand. Son was demanding more money from her, she said she would give him some money, but he instead beat her up, threw her against the wall and stole her checkbook. She laid there on the floor for 3 hours.
A pest control contracted guy came by to do the outside treatment at the home and heard someone call for help. He went inside and found her on the floor. She told him what happened. She was taken to local hospital, she gave police the story of what happened. She is flown to a D.C. hospital where she passed away a couple days ago from her injuries. IU think she was about 85 or so years old.
The son was found near the local Rescue Mission for homeless people and after a struggle, arrested and jailed.
I heard a host on a sports talk show say Rudolph the red nosed reindeer should have told Santa to F off after years of doing nothing while the other reindeers bullied him.
“Viewers have fled left-leaning MSNBC since Vice President Kamala Harris lost the presidential race to former President Donald Trump on Nov. 5. The audience for the Comcast-owned channel is down 46 percent compared to the first 10 months of 2024, according to Nielsen data.”
“Fox News will finish the year with an average of 1.5 million viewers over the full day, an increase of 5 percent from 2016. MSNBC has 820,000 viewers, up 35 percent from that year.
“CNN, which has faced management changes and a shift away from opinionated hosts, has not fared as well, dropping 34 percent over the period to 493,000 viewers.”
President-elect Donald Trump’s approval rating, according to a survey by Morning Consult. His unfavorability rating is 47 percent, giving him a net approval of 3. While that may not sound high, it’s the best number Trump has registered in this particular poll since April 2017, near the start of his first term.”
Dec. 12, 2024
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57 percent
The share of non-voters in November’s election who say they have no regrets about not voting. Among these, 35 percent said they didn’t think their votes would make a difference; 31 percent said they don’t like politics; 17 percent said they did not care about the income; and 15 percent said voting is inconvenient. A smaller share of non-voters, 42 percent, said they wished they had voted after all.
Dec. 5, 2024
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345
The number of ballots cast by Nebraska residents that weren’t counted in November because they failed to present a photo ID under a new state law. That number represented a tiny fraction of more than 965,000 votes cast statewide, representing a smaller share of voters than other states with voter ID laws and fewer ballots than were rejected in Nebraska due to failure to sign absentee ballot envelopes.
GFY. Jan thinks the J6 protestors, even the violent ones, were the brave descendants of the Sons of Liberty, Crispus Attucks, the Founding Fathers, Rosa Parks and MLK, Jr.
“Question. HOW do the Republicans (or Dems) in the federal government regain the trust of the American people?
My main suggestion would be Full Disclosure of information for what has gone on in the least 60-75 years, since WWII ended. Open the government books for all to see. Pick one topic at a time, and release the information each month or so, so that writers, bloggers, TV people, Hollywood etc etc etc can engage with it. Our nation, for the most part, is a source of good in this world, but we are not perfect. Let’s allow ourselves to see which stories are true, and which ones are not, and then move forward as a nation.
“GFY. Jan thinks the J6 protestors, even the violent ones, were the brave descendants of the Sons of Liberty, Crispus Attucks, the Founding Fathers, Rosa Parks and MLK, Jr.”
-And Bitterlaw shows that Janz is correct…….
“Here, HHR is run by a stream of hubris, where opinions are readily smeared and dismissed, discouraging further civil discussions that aren’t testy. Until exchanges can be more open to differing POVs, without stomping on them first, the site will continue as it is now. The “translations” of other people’s posts are especially irritating. However, I believe it’s intentionally done to elicit useless denials so the conversations just become endless cycles of back and forths.”
“Nixon’s resignation had not put an end to the desire among many to see him punished. With his resignation, Congress dropped its impeachment proceedings against him but criminal prosecution was still a possibility both on the federal and state level.[10]“
I do believe we can be the ones to rebuild trust and show others how it can be obtained. Step one is to respect others views here and argue, but respectfully. That goes for BOTH SIDES!!! Calling someone a moron, whether you believe them to be or not, is not “telling it like it is” or ok because “politics is a rough and tumble place” does not foster intellectual discourse, or help find compromise. Calling someone a neo-con or globalist because they beilieve in a strong military or the concept that we have to interact with the world since we live in an age where information is transmitted globally in a nano second does not foster unity, intellectual discourse or bridging the divide.
you can make you point, and let someone know you don’t agree with them without the vitriol.
I don’t agree that all J6ers are these poor innocent victims who were directed to go into the capital. Most were trespassers who needed to be charged as such, and some were part of a raucous mob who were there to cause damage…they deserved to be charged. yet I also believe most were overcharged and it was a travesty if Justice.
this differs from what Jan believes but I don’t feel calling her names because I disagree makes me a “tough guy”. I disagree, we agree to disagree and we move on.
42 responses to “No style. No substance. Post away.”
Frist!
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OK. YOu are just not interested I in what is happening in the WV delegate elect making terroristic threats to kill the Speaker and 6 other members of the House of Delegates.
I will refrain from posting more, unless he posts the $300,000 cash bail ande then gets out and kills people.
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Tina said….Are you shocked at the agents that missed, chi. Did you see the pony tail brigade at the Butler rally.
0-for-6 from five feet seems pretty bad (good point by Jason that bushes played a part). I will admit, though, that I thought the Secret Service was far better than they showed this summer.
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SWITCHING subjects…
It is very clear that people in the U.S. (and most of the posters at HHS) have lost their trust in most U.S/ institutions, be it in the church, in higher education, in the pollsters, in the media, in both the established D and R parties, in the election process, in the courts, and in the federal government itself. The reasons are legion.--and we could expound on that and the WHY it has happened.
AND we (right and left) have devolved into the quick use of violence instead of reason and the rule of law and trust in “the system”. LOTS of example s over the last 15 years.
Trust is a crucial thing to have. It is a horrible thing to lose. And it is extremely difficult to reestablish. Similar to a guy who out of the blue got jilted by his serious girlfriend after they had been together for a while , talked marriage, names for the children they would bring into the world, etc.
Question. HOW do the Republicans (or Dems) in the federal government regain the trust of the American people?
How do they make the federal bureaucracy subservient to the American people, rather than the other way around?
Serious question to discuss. If you want to.
What big or little steps can be taken to accomplish the restoration of trust?
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Walt, I appreciate the story; thanks for posting it. Have you had interaction with the nut?
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Chi,
I HAVE had any interactions with him over the years. He calls me “brother”. Interactions with him in the BCRepClub when I was very active there for years, and he has attended the meetings of the organization that I have belonged to for 23 years and that met just last night where the police presence was. DeSoto is a dues paying member of organization–both the political PAC, and is one of the few PAC members who has also financially contributed to the organization’s Board on Managers on which I serve. DeSoto is a strange dude.
He had only TWO people who gave him political campaign contributions in his recent race–one for $250 and one for $80. Neither of them were from me. He raised and spent $41,000 in his primary race–most of it coming from himself (incl. a $30,000 loan he made to his own campaign) and he also got about $3,000 from his lawyer son in CA, and about $5 or $6,000 fro his lawyer wife (who I have never met).
He also got some contributions from a few PACs (our group does not endorse in the primary, We did narrowly vote to endorse both DeSoto and one other far right loon, in the uncontested general, but gave him no campaign contribution.
Go to his campaign website and look at his photos.
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Sounds like Walt will be on the first issue of the HHR Podcast.
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We–even here at HHR–also have very little trust or pleasant, civil conversation with others with whom we differ and disagree.
How do we get that resolved–what big or little steps?
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We are very busy here with doing “translations” on what other posters say, and also busy by making gigantic leaps of “well you said this so that means you believe this and that….”
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Walt, there’s likely many sources for the issues you’ve raised. The advent of the computer, then the smart phone with social media attached, makes it easy to run to people like us.
Cable news has also had an impact – liberal friends of mine sometimes are completely unaware of stories covered ad nauseum on Fox (the opposite is also true).
Clarence Thomas asked a question i find very interesting – “what binds us together as a people?” I’m not sure if know an answer, other than momentum.
As far as what to do about it, I don’t have much. Generally, a good thing is to work to develop an understanding of why someone on the other side believes what they do.
On the internet, a good rule i don’t always follow, is to write as if you’re sitting next to the other person in a bar or restaurant.
Just some random musings on a hard topic.
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Walt – We used to discuss sports, movies, music, television, etc. Other than baseball, those topics just trigger accusations of wokeness.
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HERE is another story to discuss.
Hear on the radio in the car today about a woman who has sex with 101 people in one day. I guess a 24 hour period. She did it to achieve a personal record of hers. The world record for this is a woman in Sweden (a worken in the po.rn industry) having sex with 921 men in one day. She got paid a lot of money to do this–and sure how much. She was interviewed and they played part of that and how she pretty much does not remember 90% of all that happened, no it was not “enjoyable” for her, and she felt bad because there was no verbal interaction with each of the men who were doing it to her.
NOW the woman who had sex with 101 men wants to shoot for doing it again with 1000 men and break the world record. She will again make a ton of money. She says that the venue will probably be is some factory or warehouse setting and she will be on a conveyor belt and be moved from one man to another.
The host of this show was discussing whether of not this sort of thing should be allowed. He opined that some (lets label them neo-conservatives) would view this as a liberty and freedom issue of consenting adults and there should be no effort by government to stop her from doing this. AFter all it involves consenting adults.
On the other hand, he said those who are (let’s call them conservatives) who would say government should intervene to prevent this. He said that his view is that such a thing would be moral depravity and self-degradation (albeit willingly by the woman) and self-harm and that it violates the social norms of society and should not be allowed.
I am with the second group (conservatives).
Thoughts?
Should we put this on the podcast?
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“Walt – We used to discuss sports, movies, music, television, etc. Other than baseball, those topics just trigger accusations of wokeness.”
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TRUE.
We stopped because of the posts that followed that said “Well if you watched pro football then you are supporting taking the knee, giving the finger to the national anthem, wokeness…and that means you and not a conservative, etc. etc……”
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Ma, that DeSoto bait didn’t work.
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Well if you watched pro football then you are supporting taking the knee, giving the finger to the national anthem, wokeness…and that means you and not a conservative, etc.”
Nah, it means what it means.
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https://www.aol.com/news/mysterious-jersey-drones-appear-avoid-133113370.html
Do YOU believe what the John Kirby and the other government officials here are telling you?
Trust issue….
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BTW, I have thought about putting a list on here of how drones could easily be used by those with evil intent toward the U.S. to deliver X, Y, and Z to sights containing A, B, and C and cause utter mayhem and death, but I am petrified that it might give nut jobs some ideas and so refuse to do that.
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Once trust is broken, restoring it not only takes time but there has to be proof, other than words, that a person or an institution has become more trustworthy. Here, HHR is run by a stream of hubris, where opinions are readily smeared and dismissed, discouraging further civil discussions that aren’t testy. Until exchanges can be more open to differing POVs, without stomping on them first, the site will continue as it is now. The “translations” of other people’s posts are especially irritating. However, I believe it’s intentionally done to elicit useless denials so the conversations just become endless cycles of back and forths.
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Personally, I would not want to be the second one in, let alone the 101st one in.
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Regarding the J6 protesters —— I believe most of them should be pardoned, with some receiving monetary restitutions for the injustices committed by the zealous DOJ, many having their lives, families and businesses broken by lengthy incarcerations, even before they were able to go to trial. With a new administration accessing emails, information, videos etc., deliberately excluded or covered up by the Biden administration., the J6 prosecutions will eventually be seen as an unfortunate example of corrupt governmental abuse and overreach.
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OH, I forgot to tell you the OTHER news story here in this corner of WV concerning a former legislator–this time a former WV State Senator.
Former Senator Sandra Lucht was a long time former Senator from here who served in the 1970s/1980s. She was just a little thing. Maybe 4 feet 10 inches tall at the most and probably did not weigh 85 pounds. She was a school psychologist.
She has health issues now. Husband passed last year. Her 59 year old son lives with her. On DEc. 10, he beat her up, picker her up off her bed and threw her across the room and into the wall which made big dents in the wall and left her crumpled on the floor wrapped around the legs of some wooden stand. Son was demanding more money from her, she said she would give him some money, but he instead beat her up, threw her against the wall and stole her checkbook. She laid there on the floor for 3 hours.
A pest control contracted guy came by to do the outside treatment at the home and heard someone call for help. He went inside and found her on the floor. She told him what happened. She was taken to local hospital, she gave police the story of what happened. She is flown to a D.C. hospital where she passed away a couple days ago from her injuries. IU think she was about 85 or so years old.
The son was found near the local Rescue Mission for homeless people and after a struggle, arrested and jailed.
So sad.
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Tragic story. Now execute the son.
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I heard a host on a sports talk show say Rudolph the red nosed reindeer should have told Santa to F off after years of doing nothing while the other reindeers bullied him.
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GOVERNING.COM
“Viewers have fled left-leaning MSNBC since Vice President Kamala Harris lost the presidential race to former President Donald Trump on Nov. 5. The audience for the Comcast-owned channel is down 46 percent compared to the first 10 months of 2024, according to Nielsen data.”
“Fox News will finish the year with an average of 1.5 million viewers over the full day, an increase of 5 percent from 2016. MSNBC has 820,000 viewers, up 35 percent from that year.
“CNN, which has faced management changes and a shift away from opinionated hosts, has not fared as well, dropping 34 percent over the period to 493,000 viewers.”
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BENNIE THOMPSON WANTS PREMPTIVE PARDON FROM BIDEN. The first member from the shameless, sham Select Committee to ask for one.
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Do you know why Santa’s reindeer have bells?
Answer: Because their horns don’t work.
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“50 percent A POLL!
President-elect Donald Trump’s approval rating, according to a survey by Morning Consult. His unfavorability rating is 47 percent, giving him a net approval of 3. While that may not sound high, it’s the best number Trump has registered in this particular poll since April 2017, near the start of his first term.”
Dec. 12, 2024
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57 percent
The share of non-voters in November’s election who say they have no regrets about not voting. Among these, 35 percent said they didn’t think their votes would make a difference; 31 percent said they don’t like politics; 17 percent said they did not care about the income; and 15 percent said voting is inconvenient. A smaller share of non-voters, 42 percent, said they wished they had voted after all.
Dec. 5, 2024
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345
The number of ballots cast by Nebraska residents that weren’t counted in November because they failed to present a photo ID under a new state law. That number represented a tiny fraction of more than 965,000 votes cast statewide, representing a smaller share of voters than other states with voter ID laws and fewer ballots than were rejected in Nebraska due to failure to sign absentee ballot envelopes.
Dec. 2, 2024
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Bitter,
WV did away with the death penalty 40 years ago.
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I guess they can’t bring it back for a few days?
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Pretty good analysis from Redstate
https://redstate.com/brutalbrittany/2024/12/12/january-6-was-hooliganism-not-orchestration-n2183138
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I still have trouble with the concept of a pardon for a crime that hasn’t been even charged yet.
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WV should have the votes in the legislature to bring back the death penalty.
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It’s odd but wasn’t Nixon also pardoned for any crimes he may have committed? I don’t feel like looking it up.
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GFY. Jan thinks the J6 protestors, even the violent ones, were the brave descendants of the Sons of Liberty, Crispus Attucks, the Founding Fathers, Rosa Parks and MLK, Jr.
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“Question. HOW do the Republicans (or Dems) in the federal government regain the trust of the American people?
My main suggestion would be Full Disclosure of information for what has gone on in the least 60-75 years, since WWII ended. Open the government books for all to see. Pick one topic at a time, and release the information each month or so, so that writers, bloggers, TV people, Hollywood etc etc etc can engage with it. Our nation, for the most part, is a source of good in this world, but we are not perfect. Let’s allow ourselves to see which stories are true, and which ones are not, and then move forward as a nation.
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“How do they make the federal bureaucracy subservient to the American people, rather than the other way around?”
-FOIA rules should be more strictly enforced, make it a crime to withhold certain information for too long. A Republican Congress should make it so.
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“GFY. Jan thinks the J6 protestors, even the violent ones, were the brave descendants of the Sons of Liberty, Crispus Attucks, the Founding Fathers, Rosa Parks and MLK, Jr.”
-And Bitterlaw shows that Janz is correct…….
“Here, HHR is run by a stream of hubris, where opinions are readily smeared and dismissed, discouraging further civil discussions that aren’t testy. Until exchanges can be more open to differing POVs, without stomping on them first, the site will continue as it is now. The “translations” of other people’s posts are especially irritating. However, I believe it’s intentionally done to elicit useless denials so the conversations just become endless cycles of back and forths.”
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https://babylonbee.com/news/rudolph-changes-name-to-rolanda-dominates-female-reindeer-games/
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Walt,
That’s a terrible story about that former legislator. Very sorry to hear that.
A quick death may be too lenient for that wicked son.
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Bitterlaw,
From Wikipedia:
“Nixon’s resignation had not put an end to the desire among many to see him punished. With his resignation, Congress dropped its impeachment proceedings against him but criminal prosecution was still a possibility both on the federal and state level.[10]“
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A D.C. jury would probably have looked to convict Nixon for anything
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I do believe we can be the ones to rebuild trust and show others how it can be obtained. Step one is to respect others views here and argue, but respectfully. That goes for BOTH SIDES!!! Calling someone a moron, whether you believe them to be or not, is not “telling it like it is” or ok because “politics is a rough and tumble place” does not foster intellectual discourse, or help find compromise. Calling someone a neo-con or globalist because they beilieve in a strong military or the concept that we have to interact with the world since we live in an age where information is transmitted globally in a nano second does not foster unity, intellectual discourse or bridging the divide.
you can make you point, and let someone know you don’t agree with them without the vitriol.
I don’t agree that all J6ers are these poor innocent victims who were directed to go into the capital. Most were trespassers who needed to be charged as such, and some were part of a raucous mob who were there to cause damage…they deserved to be charged. yet I also believe most were overcharged and it was a travesty if Justice.
this differs from what Jan believes but I don’t feel calling her names because I disagree makes me a “tough guy”. I disagree, we agree to disagree and we move on.
that’s how we start…
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NT
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