
The model of the sunken and deteriorated K-129 submarine. Image public domain
The year was 1968. The Soviets lost one of their nuclear subs, K-129, to an accident resulting in the deaths of the entire crew as they were crushed in the depths of the ocean as the sub sank to the bottom of the Pacific.
The Soviets launched a search for the lost vessel arousing suspicions in the American intelligence community that the Soviets had lost a ship.
At the time, Soviet thinking was that something lost in the deep ocean was simply gone and there was no way to find the precise location of the wreck, much less recover it.
They didn’t know that the USA was recording acoustic data in the northern Pacific, and upon studying the data found evidence of an implosion, on March 8, 1968, and that the precise location could be determined–and in fact by July of the same year the US Navy had located the wreck site and photographed it.
The idea of recovering an intact Russian sub stirred the imaginations of the US Defense Secretary and National Security Advisor, who proposed a clandestine plan to recover the wreckage.
Project Azorian.
A recovery vessel called the Glomar Explorer was built for this sole purpose of recovering the Soviet sub.
A “cover” was needed, and they used billionaire Howard Hughes, and they claimed the recovery ship was his, and was being built to mine manganese nodules from the ocean floor. The science program NOVA did an episode on it, unknowingly(?) pushing the ruse.
Finally after a few survey trips to the site, the recovery vessel arrived on the scene on July 4, 1974 to attempt the recovery.
It was later learned that the Soviets were suspicious about a salvage attempt and were monitoring the situation. The top brass in Russia did not believe such a salvage was possible.
The official results of the salvage was that during the lift, the claw used to grab the sub suffered a failure, resulting in two-thirds of the sub to break off and sink back to the bottom.
The claim is that 38 feet of the bow was successfully raised, including two nuclear torpedoes. Bodies of Soviet sailors were reburied at sea.
The entire operation was video recorded by the CIA, but it remains classified.
A Time Magazine reporter, Jack Anderson, leaked the story of the recovery, preventing any subsequent attempts at further missions to the site.
That was the official story. There have been numerous questions raised by all of this, with varying opinions as to what actually happened:
1) The official story is true.
2) The entire mission was itself a ruse, covering another unknown and still classified mission.
3) The mission was more successful than what has been suggested, and in fact the entire sub was recovered.
4) Only small artifacts were recovered, but the real mission was to take detailed photographs and measurements of the sub.
5) Other.
Here is a longer summary of the project:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Azorian
Which option do you believe happened, from the above five choices?





92 responses to “Unsolved Mysteries: Project Azorian”
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I like this topic because the whole story is itself proposed to be a TRUE conspiracy theory. Hundreds of people had to keep it top secret, because they knew the real purpose of the recovery ship they were building. If the official story is in fact true.
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Leave it to the freakin press to ruin a potentially valuable mission; “Screw National Security! I gotta get that Pulitzer!”
Worthless commies, damned near all of them. Imagine if the current NYT was asked by Admiral Nimitz to go along with the story that Yorktown is too battered after Coral Sea and will await months of repairs instead of getting her underway towards Midway in just 72 hours. These arsehats would do everything in their power to aid Japan to victory.
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When the free lunch period is over, jason will be back to give his views on Project Azorian, he has been very interested in this story.
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Great story, DW. I read a book once (it is true I can read) that included this story. I’d fall somewhere between #1 & #4. I think getting a piece of the hull for metallurgy purposes was of great importance because it gave a picture of the capabilities of the boat. Same for the torpedoes.
So, I’d guess they got what they were looking for.
Excellent subject, thanks.
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The Soviets had us at a disadvantage GF. If they knew of a Russian reporter that was going to blow the lid on their national security, the guy wouldn’t have lived to see morning.
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Lupita, I look forward to Jason’s take.
In the meantime, spit in his eye, eh?
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When Bill Clinton wanted to reduce the size of federal employees by buy-outs there was no media outcry or injunctions. Hmmmmm…..
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/statement-the-buyout-program-for-federal-employees
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It was Harpers Ferry.
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I once retrieved a sub from Firehouse Subs.
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https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/02/06/heres-how-usaid-was-behind-trumps-impeachment-n4936726
-The United States does not need to hand out boxes that say USAID written on it. Get rid of this agency. Let the State Department be responsible for it, with plenty of transparency.
Any government agency which sends aid abroad can all use the same box saying “Humbly given by the taxpayers and/or CITIZENS of the United States of America.”
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3) The mission was more successful than what has been suggested, and in fact the entire sub was recovered.
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The U.S. government hasn’t told the truth to the American people for 73 years.
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Are you sure it was Firehouse? It might have been Subway…and with that we have a new unsolved mystery to serve as a way for people to get angry and call either other names.
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I say 3 – partial recovery.
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I once took my Labrador retriever to a firehouse in Subs-Zero temperatures.
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I have retrieved more subs from various places than has the Glomar Explorer.
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I did not like the Firehouse sub.
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Lupita – Please advise Jason he can use any language he wants. Then tell him to F off.
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“It was Harpers Ferry.”
So, I retracted my initial guess that it may be too small a location for Harper’s Ferry. This was a useful start, but it did not list all the railroad bridges in WV;
WV_RailPlan.pdf
So, I had to narrow it down. I knew it wasn’t Huntington since the merge of the two rivers by Ashland is just downstream. And I didn’t think Walt would give us som boondock location, and once I realized that BOTH bridges (adjacent to one another) were actualy rail bridges vice one for rail and the other for autos, I rethought my prior guess that it was not HF. Thsi comfimed my new suspcion;
CSX Train Comes Through Harpers Ferry Tunnel
It’s a winter time view of the same location vice the Spring/Summer photo Walt provided.
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/west-point-disbands-student-clubs-related-gender-race/story?id=118493041
-Not sure how any General could have thought these clubs would improve readiness, which is their main job.
Good to have a Major in charge.
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I retrieved my half-eaten Subway Sub from the Sub-Zero refrigerator in the firehouse.
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Correction:
I retrieved my 2/3s-eaten Subway Sub from the Sub-Zero refrigerator in the firehouse.
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I believe whatever Tom Clancy wrote in The Hunt For Red October. I heard he wrote that book after getting a large earmark from USAID.
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REAKING: Secretary of State Marco Rubio just deemed that only 294 USAID staffers are necessary out of 14,000. The entire agency will be imminently reduced from 14,000 to 294 employees. This has to be the biggest mass firing yet.
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Not just because Walt holds this view, but I have for years held to option 3:
3) The mission was more successful than what has been suggested, and in fact the entire sub was recovered.
Several years ago I was talking to an acquaintance of mine who happened to be an active duty Navy Commander. He had heard of Azorian, but had never researched into it. He watched the documentary at my request and then gave me his impression:
He said to me that the Navy never likes to tell the whole story, and in this case he believes they fabricated the story that they lost two-thirds of the sub when the claw tines snapped because they were too brittle and not flexible enough.
He thinks they wouldn’t have made that sort of engineering mistake in the design.
Furthermore, he said that it would have been standard practice to under-sell what we got to mitigate risk with the Russians.
Finally, he pointed to the story about how the ship’s bell was returned to Russia. Then he asked me if I knew where on a sub the bell was located. I had no idea. He said with a grin, its in the conning tower. That was part of the sub that the official story says broke off and sank again to the bottom.
So I listened to this Navy Commander and became convinced they got the whole sub.
Further research on my own, involves the design of the Glomar Explorer. These long steel tubes they lowered into the water, one on top of another, to lower the claw into the deep ocean resulted in a tremendous amount of weight below the ship, and then when the sub was in the claw, being raised by reversing the process of raising and removing the steel tubes, this would have kept constant pressure and strain on the hull of the recovery ship.
Had 2/3rds of the sub broken free, the sudden loss of weight under the Glomar Explorer would have caused such an uplift recoil in released pressure, it would have likely cut the ship in half and destroyed it.
So put me down for option 3, they got the whole thing which is why its all still highly classified.
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Has GF been commissioned our Area Studies instructor yet?
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“Finally, he pointed to the story about how the ship’s bell was returned to Russia.”
-Yes, by Jack Ryan.
I’m going with #3 as well.
Our government, especially our military, can by extremely competent when the job has a clear focus.
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DW, I can jive with that, it fits with what I know about the Navy and Intel communities (incuding some *black* ops in which I was lucky to have participated).
WRT to not having declassified the pertinent files, by now, there really isn’t a good reason to not unveil what happened; submarine technology has moved leaps and bounds ahead of what we and the Soviets were using 57 years ago. Nothing we gleaned then would be directly applicable today as that data itself has been progressed through five plus decades of further research and development. I’m sure that not everyone involved with that operation is dead just yet, but most are, and nothing criminal was likely involved, so no need to keep it under wraps any longer.
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I misread it. I go with 4 – partial recovery.
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The other mystery is where is the dividing line between subs and hoagies? Or are hoagies only around Philadelphia.
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You make a good case for #3, DW.
BTW, I watched the new Hunting History episode on DB Cooper. The host is an outdoorsman. After doing the jump and wandering around, he suspects DB could have survived the exit from the plane and the mountain.
One thing they focused on is that they never found his chute, which means it never opened or he survived long enough to hide it well. If it never opened, wouldn’t his body have been close to the money?
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https://pjmedia.com/rick-moran/2025/02/06/you-wont-believe-who-senate-democrats-say-is-trumps-most-dangerous-nominee-n4936725
-I don’t know much about this person, but sure sounds good to me!
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https://www.tasteofhome.com/article/subs-grinders-and-hoagies/#:~:text=Though%20their%20names%20are%20often,hoagie's%20bread%20is%20only%20split.
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NYC says….”Our government, especially our military, can by extremely competent when the job has a clear focus.”
Even better, it was likely a CIA job. And we’ve just seen they had the capability to run a psyops program in America for years.
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“REAKING:”
-Pretty obvious that the news media has lost some income due to the USAID situation.
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Looks like a Bitter-inspired hoagie/sub/hero sammich for dinner.
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Tina, that was an amazing post dealing with the enormous downsizing of the USAID staffing!
Also….
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I saw that Benz comment, janz.
https://foundationforfreedomonline.com/about/
BUT, do we know where he got his $$$ from?? He used to work for State Department.
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USAID
$4 billion to Haiti – they can account for 2% of it.
Could that be true?
Gut this agency.
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You think John Boehner, Paul Ryan and/or Mitch McConnell could have checked out some of this back in 2017…..
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Sorry, Boehner would have had to check it out BEFORE 2017.
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They are conducting audit reviews essentially of each federal agency.
Usaid was a corrupt agency.
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Second stab at doing F.I.T. and S.I.T returns for tax year 2024.
2023: 2024
F.I.T. refund of… $5924 F.I.T.refund $7061
WV Inc. Tax, pay $1561 S.I.T pay……$ 94
This year, 35% of WV SS income is nontaxable. (Next year that increases).
Plus we get tax credit for $545 paid for county property tax on vehicles.
Plus legislature reduced the WV S.I.T. rate…
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Plus, Social Security giving me an increase in 2025 on my monthly SS checks…
Plus, I get about $3,000 direct payment annually from US AID…
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DW convinced me. Also, it might be suspicious if the Soviets came back and found 2/3 of a sub.
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ST IN: Senator Eric Schmitt releases new bombshell regarding USAID. “It appears now USAID routed funds to Soros-aligned causes.” This is madness.
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Headline on Citizen’s Free Press:
While bureaucrats prepared orientation packets and welcome memos, DOGE’s team was already deep inside the payment systems. No committees. No approvals. No red tape. Just four coders with unprecedented access and algorithms ready to run. That trail led to staggering discoveries. Programs marked as independent had coordinated funding streams. Grants labeled as humanitarian aid showed curious detours through complex networks. Black budgets once shrouded in secrecy began to unravel.
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https://freebeacon.com/democrats/not-kidding-michigan-state-rep-says-she-sterilized-herself-to-protest-trump/
-Deep thinker here.
“Commenters seemed similarly excited, with one writing, “The gene pool breathes a sigh of relief.”
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“Headline on Citizen’s Free Press:”
-is this on the ACCEPTABLE LINK list?
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I went thru Rudy’s first couple of years as NYC’s Mayor.
These last couple of weeks are his 8 years on steroids!
Open The Books! Enforce The Laws!
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Unfortunately, now I can’t stop thinking “Where will we be attacked, and when?”.
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”Humanitarian” was USAID’s cover label.. However, covert domestic/foreign CIA plots is what their $50 billion funding was mainly repurposed for.
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The Senate Confirms Russell Vought as Office of Management and Budget Director. Vought, IMO, will be a significant player in the Trump Administration, to navigate and correct the fiscal errors cultivated in prior administrations.
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I hired a bunch of Latino construction workers to build another deck on my house. I had the TV up real loud because I was in another room doing chores. The weather was on and I heard the weather girl say “Ice is on the way!” Then I heard a bunch of commotion and ran to see that the Latinos had dropped their tools on the deck and were flying down the stairs.
I guess they got spooked when they heard the weathercaster say ICE was on the way.”
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We’ll have to see how much of this USAID stuff is accurate. If all of it is…..whooo boy…..
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I am a big fan of covert CIA operations against our international enemies.
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Samantha Power didn’t get a pardon? She could probably use one.
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Yes. But how much of USAID was such covert operations? Probably around 294/14000
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It’s fascinating what can be revealed when you methodically audit a system, department, or even funds going overseas!
“The beautiful thing about payment systems,” noted a transition official watching their screens, “is that they don’t lie. You can spin policy all day long, but money leaves a trail.”
That trail led to staggering discoveries. Programs marked as independent revealed coordinated funding streams. Grants labeled as humanitarian aid showed curious detours through complex networks. Black budgets once shrouded in secrecy began to unravel under algorithmic scrutiny.
By 6 AM, Treasury’s career officials began arriving for work. They found systems they thought impenetrable already mapped. Networks they believed hidden already exposed. Power structures built over decades revealed in hours.
Their traditional defenses—slow-walking decisions, leaking damaging stories, stonewalling requests—proved useless against an opponent moving faster than their systems could react. By the time they drafted their first memo objecting to this breach, three more systems had already been mapped.”
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Bitter says….I am a big fan of covert CIA operations against our international enemies.
International? Me, too.
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NSA surveilled a quarter of a million Americans in 2022-2023 without a warrant. USAID, in turn, extended their influence and impact domestically regarding cultural changes (gender programming), newspaper payments, etc. The depth of their interference in politics and American life I think will prove to be breathtaking if fully exposed.
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Will Politico survive without USAID money?
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Yes, but as a smaller entity.
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The Palisades/Eaton fires in CA burned thousands of homes down to the ground, including churches, schools, businesses and iconic structures. But, it has been rolled over by all the news cycles since then. Initially, with the spotlight on Newsom and Bass, they seemed willing to bend regulations, helping owners build faster and with more ease. However, as the fires have receded in the news, so has the bureaucratic cooperation both politicians earlier promised.
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Gee, USAID gave $300 million to Humas to construct terror tunnels.
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Hopefully, one or more free passers condemn this:
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“I am a big fan of covert CIA operations against our international enemies.”
-You trust a CIA with a John Brennan or a Leon Panetta to have the same “enemies” list as you do?
Who was there the last 4 years? As one would say “Great job, Brownie!”.
It needs to be chopped down and re-focused. We are not getting our moneys worth these days, in my opinion.
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And Tina streaks ths truce.
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https://ca.news.yahoo.com/rubio-years-strong-support-usaid-100047996.html
-They are going after Rubio for SAYING things in the past.
Maybe, just maybe, he was presented with facts that contradicted what he thought before, and now he holds a different position.
Good for him. His remarks the other day about stopping the insubordination at USAID was most welcome to hear.
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“And Tina **Breaks the** truce.”
-She couldn’t help herself!
Come on, Tina!
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Thanks DW for mystery. At this time, I cannot, with all honesty, answer some questions regarding that. I, like many others, thought that Robert Ballard (Titanic) was hired by Howard Hughes to help the CIA recover the sub and see what nuclear missiles were on board. At least the Ballard part proved to be false. The only other thing I can tell you is that if a nuclear war, God forbid, ever broke out, the US would be the clear and decisive winner with their arsenal of submarines, and only because of their submarines. Nothing is more dominate nor secretive. Whether the Ohio Class or Los Angeles Class and other Class subs America would control the world with its superiority (one sub can easily take out a small country with its nukes) Most other countries know it, get it, but try to ignore it. But they know. The American submarine fleet is top secret and that’s all I can say-the rest is a closely held secret. Hint, I live near Bangor Base.
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No, Bl, cream soda.
Hope the Eagles win Sunday
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Thanks, Tina. The Niners were too devastated by injuries this year. They will be back in the playoffs next season. Cream soda.
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The unhinged rants againt OMB nominee Vought by Dem Senators were beautiful. They seem scared of him, which I’m all for.
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Speaking for myself, this first several weeks of Trump II has me feeling more positive about the future of the country than at any time since January 20, 1989.
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thanks for Commenting John Goggin…so do you believe we recovered some of the sub or all of it? None of it?
or you can’t say because you were involved with the cover up?
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Programming note: planning to launch a Weekend/Super Bowl Prediction contest thread around noon today.
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I just bought and ate blueberries. How is this possible? CNN panelist said I wouldn’t be able to do that if Trump cracked down on the border.
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And no avocados and corona, per Chuckie.
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“And Tina **Breaks the** truce.”
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I m announcing the immediate sanctions against Tina.
–for starters, she is on the no fly list of any aircraft I own.
–I will also call Gov. Newsom and ask him to audit her taxes.
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Because of my personal interest in the CA fires, I’ll continue to post updates and any political absurdities surrounding the cleanup and rebuilding functions.
”LOS ANGELES, California — Ambassador Ric Grenell told federal, state, and local leaders that he would not tolerate diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) criteria slowing down the process of cleaning up and rebuilding after L.A. fires.
“That bullshit can’t happen,” Grenell said, saying that he had heard that subcontractors for debris removal were being delayed because they were trying to find “the right mix” in terms of DEI requirements, slowing down the process.”
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/02/06/that-bullsht-cant-happen-grenell-says-dei-must-not-slow-fire-cleanup/
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one other theory on the Azorian project was that the true mission was to find out why the sub was where it was…given how far off course it was, in an unexpected location. There was some mystery as to why a sub that normally carried a crew of 83 had 98 on board.
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Hopefully someday more will be de-classified so we can learn:
a) why the K-129 was in the waters it was when it sank.
b) why the sub had a catastrophic failure and sank.
c) what the CIA’s actual interests were in the sub.
d) how much of the sub was raised into the Glomar Explorer.
Another theory on the sinking was a collision with the USS Swordfish. The American sub received repairs in Japan right after the K-129 was lost. Given the K-129 was way off course from what was expected, it might explain why a US sub was in the vicinity.
The official position of the US Navy was that we had no sub anywhere near the K-129, and the damage that need repair on the Swordfish was caused by ice.
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DW, nope, and don’t know nor was part of the cover-up. However, I can’t think why the CIA wanted anything to do with an outdated diesel-electric sub built in 1960 unlike the 1981 model which was nuclear powered.
Being diesel powered it probably broke up while being retrieved from the ocean floor. Perhaps the answer is the simpliest-the CIA wanted to take a look at their nuclear missiles.
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John, you seem very knowledgeable, and I respect your judgement on this. What about it being deisel powered contributed to it breaking up while being retrieved?
I wasn’t aware that there was controversy around the reason for lifting it, if in fact that happened, as the glaring reason was to look at the nuclear missiles. No doubt other aspects of the ship might have been interesting, but the missiles were the prize.
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Jan said….”Because of my personal interest in the CA fires, I’ll continue to post updates and any political absurdities ”
Please do. It’ll be good to hear about as the topic fades from national prominence.
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“outdated diesel-electric sub built in 1960 unlike the 1981 model which was nuclear powered.”
Well, the K-129 was lost in 1968, and Azorian was 1974, prior to the 1981 model. So at the time, it was strategic.
But given the ship is outdated NOW, I don’t know why it cannot be de-classified.
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DW, you probably nailed it yourself. Why is a Soviet sub carrying nuclear missiles heading in the direction of Japan?
Diesel subs are slow compared to nuclear powered subs and can only be submerged only for a few days at most. An engineer friend that worked on nuclear subs at Bangor Base told me he went under the polar ice cap. I asked him once how long can a Ohio Class or Los Angeles Class can stay submerged and flat out told me it was classified. His did mention they only come up for food and everything is recycled (down there).
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Fascinating John. Thanks.
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