According to Selzer. Also a new batch of Redfield and Wilton polls:
 | IOWA – Selzer |
| Trump | 50 |
| Biden | 32 |
| Kennedy | 9 |
| Oliver | 2 |
| Other | 3 |
| Not Sure | 3 |
 | ARIZONA – Redfield & Wilton |
| Trump | 40 (-4) |
| Biden | 38 (-4) |
| Kennedy | 6 (-1) |
| Other | 1 |
| Not Sure | 13 |
 | FLORIDA – Redfield & Wilton |
| Trump | 43 (-3) |
| Biden | 37 (-1) |
| Kennedy | 7 (+1) |
| Other | 3 |
| Not Sure | 9 |
 | GEORGIA – Redfield & Wilton |
| Trump | 44 (+1) |
| Biden | 39 (+1) |
| Kennedy | 6 (-1) |
| Other | 0 |
| Not Sure | 9 |
 | MICHIGAN – Redfield & Wilton |
| Trump | 37 (-6) |
| Biden | 36 (-1) |
| Kennedy | 8 (+1) |
| Other | 3 |
| Not Sure | 16 |
 | NORTH CAROLINA – Redfield & Wilton |
| Trump | 43 (-1) |
| Biden | 40 (+3) |
| Kennedy | 7 (+2) |
| Other | 2 |
| Not Sure | 8 |
 | PENNSYLVANIA– Redfield & Wilton |
| Trump | 44 (+1) |
| Biden | 42 (+1) |
| Kennedy | 5 (-2) |
| Other | 2 |
| Not Sure | 6 |
The Hedgehog Report - Phoenix Edition 
101 responses to “IOWA Safe for Trump”
First. If Trump really plans to cut off military aid to Ukraine, he really is a moron on Ukraine.
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I remember when IA was deep purple.
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True, but despite the rhetoric I doubt he will let Putin annex Ukraine under his watch.
However, I have no doubt that Vance would let Putin win, that is why if he is on the ticket I will not vote for it.
Burgum and Rubio are both pro-Ukraine, so no problem there.
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I just added the new Redfield and Wilton polls to this thread, so if you refresh the page you will see them. This is the firm from the UK.
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Anything from Lord Asshat?
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Schumer deleted his post about his Father’s Day grilling…
After he got grilled for putting cheese on a raw burger
https://x.com/nickaramaOG/status/1802660188039647590/photo/1
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Iowa is out of play.
BTW heading to Pittsburgh Pa later today.
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For those keeping score at home, Trump’s +18 in Iowa is even one point better than Nixon’s +17 in 1972. You have to go back to 1956 to see the last time there was a gap as large as 18 points in IOWA, when Eisenhower drubbed Stevenson.
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Say hello to my daughter.
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According to mslsd, trump will execute his opponents on the White House lawn.
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And how would Trump prevent Putin annexing Ukraine if the US stopped military aid?
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Enjoy the trip. I really like Pittsburgh. Sorry if that makes you hate it.
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Earlier I felt Doug Burgum had the lead in Trump’s VP choice. Now, however, I think Vance is rising in the competition, and at least is becoming the base’s pick for Trump’s second n command. I wholeheartedly support Vance should this come to pass. He is articulate, young, aligned with Trump’s agenda, appealing to rust belt voters, has a compelling story, an attorney wife, and sees the geopolitical problems realistically not necessarily in the terms of establishment politics.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/06/17/exclusive-watch-possible-trump-vp-pick-sen-j-d-vance-reveals-strategy-to-win-election-with-working-class-rust-belt-voters/
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Bl any restaurant picks. Thanks.
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Tina – I will ask my wife. She handles choosing the restaurants. I show up. How long will you be there?
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God all mighty we have a myriad of more critical issues in our country than supporting Ukraine. It’s hilarious to see the hand wringing over it.
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I doubt Trump nominates a neocon…but you never know with him. He already said he wants Haley in his cabinet.
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The Covid con and its impact on the economy impacted my life and my children’s life like no other issue in my 63 years of life. I guess the Ukraine con might outdo that somehow.
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On a good note my son in law won a huge Title 9 case.
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just a quick day trip. (From Ohio).
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Ok. The Strip part of the city has many very good restaurants. I will ask my wife.
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https://www.peaceloveandlittledonuts.com/donuts
Amazing donuts if you are looking for a treat.
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Why not…
When you are in a Biden +59 district, you can claim whatever you want, including the power to perform miracles.
Far-Left Rep. Cori Bush Claimed Her Faith Healing Helped a Sick Toddler Walk, Healed a Woman’s Tumors
Maybe Biden should try it. He could claim that when he went forehead to forehead with the communist Pope, that he just gave him an extra 10 years of life.
He could say that if you re-elect him, he will promise to bring Elvis back to life, or that he will miraculously cure all cancer.
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Biden pleads for help:
Joe Biden Declares Saturday June 15 “World Elder Abuse Awareness Day”
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Iowa is a pretty bleak state for Biden.
The core four – Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and Iowa not even close to competitive this cycle. In 2016 these states were considered all competitive.
Explains why we haven’t seen Robbie in three months. — Phil
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Bitterlaw
June 17, 2024 at 10:14 am
And how would Trump prevent Putin annexing Ukraine if the US stopped military aid?”H
He won’t cut off aid. He actually provided weapons Obama had refused to provide. Trump has no interest in being blamed for Russia enslaving Ukraine and the horror stories that will follow. Bet on it.
He will couch it as “loans” and he will definitely propose a bad deal for the Ukrainians but he is not going to let Putin annex Ukraine.
The way I think it plays out is this. He will propose a ceasefire that allows Russia to keep most of what it has conquered. He will threaten Russia with more aid for Ukraine if Putin refuses and Zelensky with less aid he refuses.
Putin will likely refuse and Trump will use that as an excuse to paint Putin as intransigent and keep the aid flowing.
However, if Putin accepts Zelensky is screwed, he will have to decide to pursue the war with basically European assistance or accept the bad deal.
That is why I won’t vote for Trump if Vance is on the ticket. Vance WOULD let Putin annex Ukraine.
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“Explains why we haven’t seen Robbie in three months.”
No, I am certain that Robbie must have passed away and gone on to his reward. There is no way he would have refrained from commenting after the kangaroo court conviction if he was still alive.
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Vance was like my fourth choice for OH senator. If I lived in OH I would have voted for him because Rs needed the seat.
But he is a lightweight and is woefully ignorant of geopolitics and America’s role in the world.
He is an isolationist who doesn’t even understand what that means.
If Trump picks him, he will have to win without my vote.
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The odds of Amoral Scumbag passing away are very low, he is probably in his late 40’s. I know, wes died at 42 but that makes the odds even longer.
He has disappeared before for like a year.
lisab is another story. I wouldn’t be surprised she passed away. I know she was thinking of moving to Vietnam or something but they have internet.
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I am seeing a lot changed in this 2024 cycle from 2016 & 2024. It appears more people are dissatisfied with Dems as well as skeptical of their tactics. The RNC has changed into conservative/populist hands, where it seems more likely election integrity will be implemented to a greater extent than other times. Trump has a better team of people around him. There are ongoing efforts to vet people, on board with his policy agenda, that can go directly into his administration should he win. Voting early, chasing ballots are all on the table this time for republicans, in order to win the election. People in the field say there is more voter enthusiasm to defeat the Dems than ever before.
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“ If Trump picks him, he will have to win without my vote.”
That would not be a loss at all – only one sullen vote.
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There are other reasons not to pick Vance.
“I’m a Never Trump guy,” Vance said in an interview with Charlie Rose in 2016, a clip used in both the new ads. “I never liked him.”
Both ads also feature a screenshot of a Vance tweet from October 2016. “My god what an idiot,” he wrote, referring to Trump.
Vance expressed a similar sentiment in other interviews and since-deleted tweets from that time, including publicly mulling the idea of supporting Hillary Clinton, calling Trump “noxious” and “reprehensible.”
I don’t mean Vance is not pro-Trump now. I am sure he is loyal, he is entitled to change his mind about Trump like I did. But the Dems will run ads with these statements.
Of course, Ryan ran those same ads, didn’t help him.
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That would not be a loss at all – only one sullen vote.”
Not sure how not voting is a sullen vote, but Janzam can always surprise you even if you think she could never be MORE stupid.
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Might not have been a big deal in OH which is pretty Red now, but I could see those statements having some effect in more marginal areas where every vote WILL count.
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In case any of you are wondering about the track record of Redfield and Wilton:
Final Redfield and Wilton 2020 polls compared to actual results:
AZ: Trump 43, Biden 49 (-6) | Actual: -0.3
GA: Trump 44, Biden 45 (-1) | Actual: -0.2 with fraud
NC: Trump 44, Biden 49 (-5) | Actual: +1.34
PA: Trump 42, Biden 49 (-7) | Actual: -1.33
FL: Trump 44, Biden 49 (-5) | Actual: +3.36
MI: Trump 42, Biden 50 (-8) | Actual: -2.78
WI: Trump 41, Biden 51 (-10) | Actual: -0.63
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if lisab died…..Zzzzzzzz
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Ok, 2 votes counting Bitter. But, considering how many Americans see giving more aid to Ukraine as a useless prolongation of a war, any votes lost would be irrelevant considering those gained by an agenda focused on national security at home (the border), the economy, re-gendering issues, education, no more vaccine mandates, avoiding a nuclear war and so on. Ukrainian parents are also desperately trying to circumvent having their kids drafted (those still alive), which is why conscription takes those up to 60 years of age, suffering injuries from earlier deployments to the front, foreigners and those affiliated with ties to Nazi ideology.
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”Doesn’t bring ANY votes to the ticket
Puts a Senate seat at risk
Has a strong record of opposing Trump in the past, the media will feast on it. He didn’t vote for Trump in 2016.”
Vance brings the youth and rust belt vote, plus those who are solidly behind Trump’s policies. Ohio is becoming a red state, bringing more assurance of a conservative being elected to his seat. A lot of people have a strong record of earlier not being a Trump fan. Vance, though, has openly addressed his former opinion of Trump, and has been a strong supporter of his even thru the lean years following the 2020 debacle, where even people like Burgum denounced him.
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Bl thanks. I am actually going tomorow. Any tips are appreciated.
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Give me an address I will send $5. You can tell me later what I am tipping for.
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Vance brings the youth and rust belt vote, plus those who are solidly behind Trump’s policies.”
Nah, he brings NOTHING.
Trump is the one who brings the rust belt vote. Those solidly behind Trump’s policies are already voting for him.
Vance actually underperformed in the OH senate race, he won but Portman would have won by a much larger margin. Probably any of the other 3 Rs that Vance beat in the primary would have also.
Vance has no appeal among swing voters in ANY state.
If Trump picks him, it is because he thinks Vance will be a yes man, which is probably true.
Vance is a lightweight and a horrible pick, not only because he is an isolationist moron.
I am not surprised Janzam likes him.
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At the highly successful, well attended TPUSA MI event this last weekend, where Trump was the keynote speaker, Vance was a runaway favorite for VP in the straw poll taken afterwards. In 2024 the major energy working to get out the vote are the grass root volunteers – the very ones signing up to be poll watchers, precinct captains, ballot chasers. Three thousand people signed up, at this MI event alone, to actively participate in the upcoming election. Their choice of VP will be very important.
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Burgum still the favorite in the betting odds.
I don’t think he is a good pick either but he does have 3 very important advantages over Vance.
Outside of that, like Vance, he brings nothing to the ticket.
Trump should pick Rubio, Scott or Haley.
All of them actually bring voters to the ticket.
Of course, I won’t vote for a Trump-Haley ticket either, but she is still a good pick if Trump wants to win.
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Forgot the link.
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/8069/Who-will-win-the-2024-Republican-vice-presidential-nomination
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Then there is Carson.
I think he is past his expiration date and brings very little to the ticket too.
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Their choice is not important. What’s important is bringing something to the ticket. Vance is a moron, isolationist, , actually less than zero because he will turn off even more voters to Trump.
He’s a self aggrandizing bloviator whose bombastic comments would hurt Trump. He honestly brings nothing to the table and whose number one concern is…himself.
There are 1,000,000 other people who would be better than Vance, and zero reasons to be in favor of him.
The only reason why some want him is he is virulently anti-Ukraine.
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Tina – Vallozz’s is a very good Italian restaurant.
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Its been since April 1 since we heard from Trafalgar Group on a national poll, and almost that long since Big Data Poll
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Will Jason find enough reasons to not vote for Trump? Will Trump only receive 33.3% of Jason’s support from 2016 to 2024?
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A few facts about J. D. Vance:
Came from a rural working class family, and is very cognizant about the poverty and discontent in the rust belt, and relatable to the people living there.
He became a Marine after high school, later a lawyer for a multinational law firm, and wrote a best-selling memoir that was turned into a movie.
He’s married to mixed race woman who is a well respected attorney, and has several children.
In an earlier interview with The American Conservative Magazine the site crashed because of the interview’s enormous popularity.
In 2016 Vance founded a non-profit in Ohio for disadvantaged children.
In 2021 he publicly apologized for the harsh comments he made about Trump, and had since been one of his strongest advocates.
In essence, Vance is hardly an unlikable guy who honestly speaks his mind, even if it doesn’t sync with the political class. Like Trump he questions the indefinite aid packages going to Ukraine. And, like Trump, he would like to see an end to the war. I don’t think that necessarily makes him an “isolationist,” but rather more of an independent, prudent-minded thinker.
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he’s a isolationist. He severely underperformed in the election he squeezed out whereas, as Jason rightly points out, the other candidates would have done far better
he’s a blowhard and a self aggrandizing self promotor. He brings absolutely nothing to the ticket and he would be an AWFUL President, and would get crushed in 2028. He has no appeal outside the anti-Ukraine crowd.
Rubio, Scott and Haley are by far and away better candidates for VP.
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Trafalgar’s polls were largely off the mark in 2022. That probably has something to do with their being so quiet in this cycle.
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polling being off the mark has never disqualified other pollsters in the past, otherwise Quinnipiac would have been gone years ago.
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DW with the smack down of Quinnipiac. BTW, where are those guys? Awful quiet. Wonder why. — Phil
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its not just Quinnipiac.
Suffolk? Monmouth? They used to pump out state polls, but have gone silent. Emerson was pumping them out at a record pace, then went silent after the kangaroo court verdict. Numerous university pollsters who only poll their own state also have been silent.
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Vic, if you read my post dealing with his bio, you obviously did so with a bias. Your big qualification for VP is how much a candidate supports a forever war with Ukraine. Vance was new to politics when he ran for the Senate, very much like Trump was when he ran for the presidency. He won that Ohio election, but not by wide margins. He has a well known profile today, giving speeches at Davos, speaking firmly about China’s aggression, for the border etc. His appeal is consequently far wider than just his Ukrainian POV – it’s a well-rounded appeal as well, not just one issue like is pressed for here. He is definitely my #1 choice, but I’ll vote for the Republican ticket no matter who is the VP. However, if by chance it’s Haley, the base will abandon the ticket as she is despised by the grass roots and Trump base, and he will lose the election.
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….. the fact Vance was a Marine, deployed to Iraq, demonstrates his personal knowledge of war, not like some couch warriors around here. He is also a by-product of the rust belt, having roots and experiences corresponding to those living there today. People want someone who is not right out of the establishment mold – rather they want a politician of the people, by the people, and for the people. Vance fits that description, no matter how much you and others wish to discredit him.
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The importance of the Iowa poll (by one of the nation’s best pollsters) is what it means for neighboring states, especially Wisconsin.
Chicon
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Wisconsin and Minnesota stubbornly hold on to Biden net job approval of only about -10. Delaware is -21 and Michigan -27 for comparison. So I am not sure the good news out of Iowa pulls MN and WI toward Trump as far as I wish it would.
Also, a programming note. NORTH CAROLINA has been moved from the battleground status grid to the other states grid. Reasons include:
a) Trump carried the state in 2020 when the wind was against him.
b) Everybody is on the ballot there, Oliver, Kennedy, Stein, and West, providing ample options for every kook and misfit to find an ideal candidate.
c) Trump has led every single poll in NC, often by high single digits and sometimes double-digits.
d) The only times a poll shows it close is when its a Democrat polling firm, or some pollster no one has heard of or a pollster from the UK.
e) The mainstream pollsters including media pollsters all show a strong lead for Trump.
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“He’s a blowhard and a self aggrandizing self promotor. He brings absolutely nothing to the ticket and he would be an AWFUL President, and would get crushed in 2028. He has no appeal outside the anti-Ukraine crowd.”
Pretty much sums it up.
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Anybody elected to office becomes part of the Establishment. Sorry, Jan.
Personally. I don’t trust isolationists to protect America’s military, political, and economic interests. Trump is still getting my vote for President regardless of his VP choice.
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I am still hoping its Youngkin. Go with him, flip Virginia, ending the election by 9:15 pm.
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Anybody who does not vote for Trump for any reason should just vote for Biden. It’s the same result and more honest.
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Will Jason find enough reasons to not vote for Trump? Will Trump only receive 33.3% of Jason’s support from 2016 to 2024?”
I won’t vote for him if he picks Haley or Vance or Vivek.
I guess that adds up to 3 reasons.
I will let you know if there are any more.
And 33.% is better than 0%.
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It’s only slightly better than Robbie’s record.
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Anybody who does not vote for Trump for any reason should just vote for Biden. It’s the same result and more honest.”
Zzzzzz….
Get the “Convoluted Logic Award for June”, even if early.
Of course Bitter didn’t vote for Trump in 2016, he said he voted against Hillary. Talk about “more honest”.
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It’s only slightly better than Robbie’s record.”
Actually, I posted a post where he said he voted for Trump in 2020.
Of course he is a pathological liar, but he did say that.
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In any case, I won’t vote for Biden.
Bitter is free to make up any “interpretation” what not voting for Trump if he picks a VP candidate I view as unqualified for the office.
If he thinks it is a “vote for Biden”, I can live with that. In my view, when you don’t vote, you aren’t supporting ANY candidate. I am not even a Republican, so in effect Rs aren’t “losing” my vote.
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If Trump really wanted to pick a VP to help him win, he would pick Youngkin.
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There is zero difference between Donald Trump and JD Vance and Rand Paul on Ukraine. NONE.
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The guy Bitter thinks I should vote for:
BIDEN: We have the “highest unemployment” in 50 years! “You know, my, my, my son says, you ought to have a, uh, you know, we all have, uh, various short-term descriptions for your jobs, for what you’re accomplished. You should say, ‘Joe jobs.’”
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There is zero difference between Donald Trump and JD Vance and Rand Paul on Ukraine. NONE.”
BS.
Trump supported Ukraine as President and supports aid if it is framed as a “loan”, which he knows will not be paid back.
Very different from Vance and Rand Paul who are hard core isolationists, Rand Paul did not support a lot of Trump’s foreign policy and is not a supporter of Israel like Trump is.
Not to say Trump isn’t an isolationist and protectionist, I never denied that.
But his record on Ukraine is pretty clear despite the pandering to the Putin loving morons.
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Rand or Flynn should be VP
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Trump has made it very clear that in his second term there will be NO MONEY FOR UKRAINE. He said it this weekend.
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My vote helped Trump win PA. Yours? Oh wait.
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Only Trump or Biden will win. If Trump does not get your vote, that puts Biden one vote closer to winning.
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No, he did not say that. Of course, he wants the Europeans to pay more, and he wants to frame aid as a loan, but he did not say NO MONEY.
“Former US President Donald Trump said he is not opposed to Republicans approving a military aid package Kyiv has been pleading for months, but that it should “exist in the form of a loan.”
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No money. No aid. He said he gets elected and the problem is solved before he re-takes office. NO NEED FOR MONEY.
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Only Trump or Biden will win. If Trump does not get your vote, that puts Biden one vote closer to winning.”
Voodoo math.
Here is how to look at it. Trump has zero votes. Biden has zero votes. I don’t vote for either one. Both still have zero votes.
My not voting didn’t help either one.
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No money. No aid. He said he gets elected and the problem is solved before he re-takes office. NO NEED FOR MONEY.”
GOAL POST MOVING ALERT.
He never said there will be no aid to Ukraine.
And in fact he was not opposed to the latest package.
Bunu is always going to be disappointed with people he supports because they are never as stupid as he is.
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“Former US President Donald Trump said he is not opposed to Republicans approving a military aid package Kyiv has been pleading for months, but that it should “exist in the form of a loan.”
Pretty clear, Bunu.
“Not opposed”
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Republican platform out next month will say NO MONEY FOR UKRAINE. NO FOREIGN AID. AMERICA FIRST
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Trump is not going to loan money to someone who can’t pay it back. Since Ukraine cant beat Russia, it wont be around to pay back. They have to work it out after the election because there is no more money to come
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Trump blasts Zelysnky. Doesnt sound like someone he is going to be giving money to!
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5120987/donald-trump-stopping-aid-ukraine
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My vote helped Trump win PA. Yours? Oh wait.”
My vote didn’t help or hurt Trump.
The problem with your logic is you assume my vote already “belongs” to Trump.
If I don’t vote for him, he then “loses” a vote.
But it is the wrong way to think about it. My vote is a just a vote, not a “Trump vote”.
As such, if it is not cast, it “helps” nobody.
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Trump blasts Zelysnky. Doesnt sound like someone he is going to be giving money to”
Zzzzz…
Trump is smarter than you are.
The money is not for Zelensky. It is for Ukraine.
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WSJ:
“Trump unlikely to abandon Ukraine”
https://www.wsj.com/politics/trump-is-unlikely-to-abandon-ukraineand-might-even-escalate-the-war-356a2825
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Corporate WSJ wants Trump to escalate war according to headline but two times this past week he said. They got enough money. There is no more to come. It will never end. Trump can ask Z the salesman to come work for his company so he can be safe.
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I believe the WSJ a lot more than any of Bunu’s fake news sites.
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don’t worry. You pathetic tiny d*#k coward. No one is going to ask you to serve your nation and fight for freedom, so you and your Ron Paul pathetic PoS don’t have to be scared. No one is coming to draft you from your moms basement
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If you vote for Trump, Biden needs to receive 2 votes to take the lead. If you don’t vote, Biden needs only 1 vote to take the lead.
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Dave Wissing’s birthday is today.
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Jan. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and believe you haven’t seen in other posts my position on Ukraine. I did see this above “Your big qualification for VP is how much a candidate supports a forever war with Ukraine. ” That is patently false. My biggest qualification for Trump’s VP would be…are they qualified to be President, what kind of President will they be, and do they add something to the ticket that will help get Trump elected…in that order.
I do not believe for a moment that JD Vance meets any of that criteria. Of current Republican members of Congress, or Governors, he would rate down near the bottom of those who I would consider Presidential material. He’s a self aggrandizing, self promoting populist with no real agenda other than to be bombastic and I feel he would hurt the country greatly if President.
Ukraine – I see you took a pot shot at many here with your “couch warriors” comment. I can tell you that Im fairly certain you haven’t seen the battle field, nor have you been to Ukraine, nor have you fought for this country. Therefore I think I speak with an experience you do not have on the subject (BTW your boy Vance was a “public affairs” writer while in the military. All service is good service, but please don’t try to pretend he was a grunt.).
You take some Paulista or Trump loving Ukraine hating websites description of the situation in Ukraine (moms hiding sons…people deserting) as dicta. It is not. There are ALWAYS anectodal stories of deserting or not wanting to go to war by some, heck even here in the US during WW II…but that IS NOT an accurate reflection of the situation on the ground. Ukrainians are fighting for their survival…staving off submission that they have felt once before. For every one Ukrainian that is scurrying away, there are 20 ready to (AND DOING SO) fighting for their freedom and independence from an invader.
I recall the comment you quoted about aid being one third skimmed, one third stolen, and etc. Obviously the quote is not exact, but I think its accurate enough. For the last time…This is absolutely not the truth. There is corruption. There is corruption everywhere…please don’t get the impression it doesn’t go on here. But here is the real situation in Ukraine. It may not please everyone, but its reality.
The Ukraine is corrupt. I apologize, but that much is true. I have seen it for more than a decade, and it is a prevalent, not as much as before, but it still happens. With that said, most of our aid comes in the form of military equipment, and not cash into coffers. When US money is used, it is used to pay for equipment that then goes into Ukraine. It is not given like it was to Iran, on pallets. Is there some skimming, some corruption, some overinflation of invoices. Yes. 33%…hardly….2-3% maybe. There are a lot more controls than you think.
Ukraine is paramount to our defense in that it provides that buffer between the West and Russia…and its very important. It is worth fighting for, so that there continues to be that buffer. Don’t expect Russia to all of a sudden change courses even if Putin were to step down. Russians are very very very nationalistic, they are very wary of the West, and they like being led…democracy doesn’t work the way we want it to there. They like being a power.
Anyway, that’s enough for now.
i really wish we could just stop talking about this. Hardcore trump backers/populist will always hate Ukraine because they feel thats what got Trump impeached. And that’s why they oppose the aid.
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If you vote for Trump, Biden needs to receive 2 votes to take the lead. If you don’t vote, Biden needs only 1 vote to take the lead.”
No moving of goalposts.
You said not voting for Trump was a vote for Biden.
“Anybody who does not vote for Trump for any reason should just vote for Biden. It’s the same result and more honest.”
This is factually wrong. Not voting does not “help” either candidate.
But frankly, if Trump picks someone I can’t vote for, I will say that only once. I will have no interest in this particular argument all the way to the election.
We should be able to find things to agree on.
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Damm, Vic just tore Janzam a new a-hole.
Facts, common sense and truth against lies and propaganda will prevail every time.
Best “take down” of the year, but we are only in June.
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You either oppose Biden or you don’t. You are looking for a reason to not oppose Biden. Play your games. You never like arguments you are losing.
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”Damm, Vic just tore Janzam a new a-hole.”
I certainly didn’t receive his post that way. Vic was civil and went into detail as to why he has taken the positions he has taken regarding Ukraine and Vance. While I don’t necessarily share those positions I have taken them into consideration. As for you Jason Slava Ukraini, you throw out nothing but pejoratives and nothing worthwhile.
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Jan – I am glad you accepted the comments the way I meant them. BTW. Just because I disagree that Vance would be a bad choice for VP, doesnt meant that everyone should think like me. I don’t want to look in the mirror. Yet, everything I have seen about Vance leads me to believe there are better options.
As well, I think my experience in Ukraine gives me a different perspective than most. I wish Putin had not invaded. He did, and its our job to help (along with our allies) Ukraine to push back the invasion because the cost of submission would be crushing and deadly…more so than trying to protect themselves. He invaded because he knew Biden was weak. He would not have invaded during a Trump administration and that is a straight up fact.
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Go Celtics!!! (I’m a Boston fan who now lives in North Carolina.)
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amén. Number 18!!!
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Actually, it is an opinion.
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