Damm, we got our money’s worth on those bombs? Watch the video.
Another Russian warship bites the dust, or is it the bottom of the bay….
Someone do a welfare check on Janzam and Tina.
The clearest video yet of the large secondary explosion that destroyed the Russian landing ship Novocherkassk, after the ship was struck by Ukrainian missiles in port last night. pic.twitter.com/NCh7WAQR4p
You are so predictable. Every time a ship, tank or armament gets cremated by a missile, bestowed to Ukraine from the west, it is gleefully reported here. I saw that story this morning and just knew it would wind up on HHR via Jason. In the meantime Ukraine is sending out ambulances to snatch men off the street to fight – those under 18 and up to 60 years of age are now subject to forced conscription, due to the extreme depletion of Ukraine’s fighting forces.
”Kyiv is pushing its Western partners hard for continued, and expanded, aid. But Zelensky faces growing fatigue in Europe and the U.S., with skeptics strengthened by the Ukrainian counteroffensive failure.”
I can see Janzam is triggered by the loss of a major Russian warship with Western provided weaponry, which destroys her BS about the “aid being stolen” and rest of her Kremlin propagand.
Russia state media reporting that a large piece of the warship was found 650 meters away, which means there was a major secondary explosion of the ship’s cargo, possibly drones and/or ammunition.
The complement of that ship is 87 sailors, you can bet even with a skeleton crew if was in port dozens were probably killed.
Russian state media finds a chunk of the plating from the "Novocherkassk" landing ship Ukraine struck overnight in the garden patch outside of a grocery store in Feodosia, Crimea. No worries. Coat of paint and she'll be good as new. pic.twitter.com/oMRtVxiI3h
Does the Russian Navy even try to protect its vessels or is that too much work?”
This is the 11th major warship/sub that has been sunk.
The Russians have pretty much pulled their naval assets out of Sevastopol in order to protect them,.
I think this attack was at an unexpected port where it was deemed “safe”. Feodosia is on the eastern part of Crimea, only about 50 miles from Russia proper.
Both Jason & Bitter are “triggered” by any post questioning the funding, the actual progress (or stalemate) Ukraine is making in this war, or the misgivings voiced by the Ukrainian military, aids, or government officials about how this war is being internally managed by Zelensky. The corruption the Times, the Economist, and other publications have reported on is either scoffed at or said to be Pravda-sourced. Ironically, throwing stones and insults at reports not in sync with your own narrative is what the left does to their opposition here. Consequently, it sounds like Jason and Bitter are following the left’s playbook in their desperation to make the case for what oftentimes seems to be a blinded support for Ukraine.
Jason your multiple posts on a Russian vessel being destroyed by a Ukrainian missile has not been disputed. So, what is your point? Maybe, it’s because you have little else to boost about, except to cheer how many deaths possibly occurred from that attack.
You treat this war sometimes as an impersonal video game rather than real life human suffering. Like in the American Civil War, when the north and south fought, it was akin to brother killing brother. The same is true in this war, as there are many linkages between the Ukrainian and Russian people. It’s ostensibly the leaders, Putin and Zelensky, who are calling the shots, while it’s the people on both sides taking the hits.
Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. Could Jan sound more like Putin with the “brothers” bs? Ukraine was a sovereign nation. Putin ordered the invasion. Putin is 100% responsible for this war. He caused it. Zelensky and the Ukrainians are defending themselves. Why can’t you admit it?
DESANTIS: “I’m going to be a change agent in Washington. I don’t want to be liked in Washington. I don’t care about the media, the bureaucrats, any of that. I want to return this government to We the People.”
I believe him. Washington, media, bureaucrats, establishment hate this guy.
Ok Folks, this is going to be my one and only post about the Ukraine. I think most here know I had business there for a number of years, so feel I can chime in.
A. The only reason the left cares about the Ukraine is because it was the vehicle of Trump’s impeachment. If not for that, and their newfound distaste for Russia (remember all the years they were the Soviet Union liberals pushed detente and how good health care was there, and our buddy Obama said they weren’t a threat in 2012. They only became the bad guys because Hillary used them as the scapegoat for her loss in 2016), they would not care about the war in the Ukraine.
B. Some on the right (especially the Pauliac followers and Freedom caucus bozos) pan Ukraine and Zelinski because the Ukraine was the vehicle for Trump’s impeachment, and not for that, they wouldn’t care one way or the other about the war.
3. a. As in life, both sides of the argument that rages daily here have crumbs of truth. Most important, the Ukraine will not survive without aid from the West, and we should continue to support them. We can not allow Russia to take over the country
b. There is massive corruption and graft going on, and people are getting rich there off the aid and military equipment going in. I worked early on to arrange equipment going in, and was shocked at the graft. Still, the equipment was necessary and was sent.
c. Both can be true and are
It is a lot more complex situation than we can really address here on this board, but it breaks my heart to see the fighting going on each day over this topic. I do not think anyone on this board likes Putin. I think that those supporting aid are correct, we can not stop it. I do think there needs to be more oversight. Both can be true.
Soooooo…..can we stop fighting and posting about the Ukraine and concentrate on the issues that will actually shape this election. I read a terrifying piece in the NY Times yesterday about the Dems strategy, and they are going full in on the Hitler comparisons. We will see good, hard working, average Americans being compared to Hitler and called Nazi’s by next fall, and we can not have that.
So let’s concentrate on the issues, let’s post as many polls as we can, and maybe we’ll also bring in some of the old, and some new to this amazing site.
Like in the American Civil War, when the north and south fought, it was akin to brother killing brother. The same is true in this war, as there are many linkages between the Ukrainian and Russian people. It’s ostensibly the leaders, Putin and Zelensky, who are calling the shots, while it’s the people on both sides taking the hits”
LOL
This is not a civil war and the analogy between the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the US Civil War is one of the stupidest things I ever read here. There are no “linkages” between Russia and Ukraine, Ukraine is a sovereign nation recognized as such by the international community. It is not part of Russia and Russians and Ukrainians are not “brothers”.
Zelensky is not calling any shots. He is defending his country from an unprovoked, unwarranted, and brutal invasion. Putin is 100% for this war and all its consequences.
Soooooo…..can we stop fighting and posting about the Ukraine and concentrate on the issues that will actually shape this election.”
Sorry, Vic but foreign policy is an important part of any election and the Russian invasion of Ukraine has important strategic and geopolitical long term significance for the US.
So when you say let’s concentrate on the issues, the issue of Russia expansionism is an important issue. Putin must be stopped in Ukraine so there is no way we can stick our heads in the sand and will the issue away.
Jason, I agree with you 100% when you say, “So when you say let’s concentrate on the issues, the issue of Russia expansionism is an important issue. Putin must be stopped in Ukraine so there is no way we can stick our heads in the sand and will the issue away.”
Putin can not win, and I do not think the West will allow him to win. I think he has moved into a war of attrition stage, thinking we will get tired. We can not, and I don’t believe we will.
With that said, we do need some accountability and oversight. We can both provide the necessary equipment and aid while also ensuring that exploitation and graft is kept under control.
As well, and most importantly, we can not stick our heads in the ground, and get “unpregnant” so to speak. The war is going on. There is no going back, no redo.
My hope is that on this blog we can realize that it isn’t going to end, and if Trump is elected, he will continue to support the Ukraine until Russia withdraws. He will not, much to the chagrin of the Paulistas and Freedom Causus bozos, stop the aid to Ukraine. I hope, with that said, we can move on to other issues.
I realize that foreign policy is a huge issue going into the election, and we need to focus on that. We are at two wars right now with another about to explode in Africa and yet another one in the Balkans. No one is talking about those. There could be, literally, on election day, four wars across the globe. That is a complete failure on our behalf, not to mention the invasion at our own border.
Biden Approval Ratings – Please see how many are below 40% – Wasn’t it Dem in sheeps clothing Robbie who was always bringing up Trump’s approval?? His overall Approval is 40.5%
Vic – Thoughtful analysis. I disagree with you on what Trump would do if he was re-elected. His “end the war in 24 hours” statement proved that he does not comprehend the issues involved in the war. I believe he would cater to the isolationist wing of the party (Jan and Tina) and stop US aid.
I don’t think Trump would end aid to Ukraine, he certainly allowed plenty of aid to Ukraine during his first term. He is not going to let Russia annex Ukraine under his watch, you read it here first.
I think he will use aid as a bargaining chip against Putin (and Zelensky) to try to sell his “peace plan”. If the Russians refuse it, he will continue aid, maybe even increase it. And remember, as we know Trump is not a fiscal conservative and he would have no qualms from a financial standpoint to continue aid. The Putin Stooges will be disappointed that Trump is not going to be worried about “accountability”, that is a word missing from his lexicon.
Unfortunately, Trump’s “24 hour plan” is probably something that will reward Putin for his invasion, which I will strongly oppose. Undoubtedly he would allow Russia to keep most of the territory it has illegally conquered and he might agree to some vague promise to keep Ukraine out of NATO, a terrible mistake. And in my view, any deal that does not make the Russians pay reparations and refer war criminals for trial at the Hague is not acceptable.
But end aid to Ukraine without a peace deal, no. I would be willing to bet he would not do that.
Hassan Atrash, who is a weapons smuggler for Hamas, was absolutely blown to smithereens in a gargantuan airstrike that was operated by Israel, according to the New York post, which cites the Israel Defense Forces.”
I think Trump is an arrogant mf-er who will accept 99% of what Putin wants, tell Zelensky to be happy with his 1%, call it an epic “Peace Deal” and nominate himself for a Nobel Peace Prize and a Medal of Freedom.
Listened to local talk radio. One topic was potential VP choices for Trump. Tim Scott, Haley, DeSantis and Tucker Carlson were mentioned. Several callers proposed Tulsi Gabbard as an independent choice to attract more moderate and Democrat voters who don’t like Biden. Others included Manchin and Col. Allen West. Nobody proposed Walt. Yet. I think Walt may be disqualified because we are not sure if he was born in the US because it did not exist when he was born and we’re not sure where he was born before the land mass separated into continents.
It’s good that the Palestinian protestors are starting to block U.S. airports especially with so many of these so these fake Christians who watch Fox News Fake News who don’t know what’s going on in the world.
OK.
Here is my take on the disputed 2020 presidential election.
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If you recall, I STATED ON HERE THAT IS ALL THIS MESS OF THE DISPUTED ELECTION OUTCOME AND CLOSE OUTOCME IN VARIOUS KEY STATES that there NEEDED TO BE AN INVESTIGATION into the allegations or else all hell would break loose. In the two months between the election and the swearing in of Biden, NO COURT CASE HAPPENED AND OREAL INVESTIGATION TOOK PLACE. Guiliani and others DID have hearings before various state legislators in GA, AZ, WI, etc. but that was it.
And all hell has broken loose for the last 3 years.
Trump filed 40 or whatever lawsuits in various states disputing the election results. The various courts REFUSED to actually conduct a court case where evidence could be submitted and through the case out without a TRIAL–no standing, would not have affected the outcome, we don’t want to get involved, etc., etc.
Some states did RECOUNTS of the same ballots they counted on election night. And of course, counting the same ballots without looking at VBM absentee ballot signature matches, etc., etc. the outcome was the same. No effort to actually see WHO cast ballots, WHEN, WERE THEY ELEIGIBLE VOTER, DID THEY CAST A VOTE IN ANOTHER STATE, HAD THE VOTER DIED IN 1952 BUT STILL CAST HIS BALLOT, ETC. , ETC.
A REAL and public court case would either explain to the American people in an appropriate way that the various charges of fraudulent election were not factual. Or else the evidence could not be sufficiently explained away and did indeed show election abuse, irregularities, etc. If no fraud was substantiated, then it is proved it was a fair and valid election and everyone moves on. If it WAS proven there WAS fraud, irregularities, violation of State laws, etc. then we move on from there–even arrests, possible new election, etc.
However, I feel the courts at various levels knew full well that there are a certain amount of voter fraud, irregularities, violation of state law, etc. in EVERY election. To wit:
–ballot harvesting of mentally incompetent folks residing in nursing homes,
–people voting in more than one state
–hundreds of voters voting from the same vacant lots, etc.
–ineligible voters voting (felon in some states, underage, legal and illegal immigrants, etc.
–people paying people (money, gift cards, liquor, whatever) to vote a certain way
–perhaps corrupt election officials taking action to put their finger on their scales (depending on their own political view) of whether or not to count this provisional vote or that provisional vote that was cast.
The bigger problem in THE 2020 election was the unparalleled FLOOD of absentee ballots that came into play (because of COVID, they say). Most European countries have run away from VBM ballots because of the chain of custody of the ballot issues, and the opening wide the door to allow voter fraud/manipulation, etc. that could thwart the integrity of the election and the outcome.
One recent poll discovered that 17% of voters in the U.S. said they illegally helped fill out someone else’s VBM ballots, and 17% knew of someone else who illegally filled out all or part of someone else’s VBM ballot.
That brings into play the actions of various state SOS and State courts that issued directives that were CONTRARY to STATE LAW, including
–who gets mailed ballots and why,
–relaxing of signature verifications of mail in ballots
–relaxing of when the absentee ballots have to be mailed back by a certain deadline
–relaxing of when VBM ballots were returned, and they were still counted anyway
–relaxing rules of when people had to REGISTER to vote prior to the election,
–etc.
The other issue is the “crooked” “dirty tricks” play of others in the 2020 election.
Such as:
–involvement of the top people in MSM and social media in decisions to limit information on various things including the Hunter Biden laptop
–involvement of Blinken and others to get 50 or whatever top current or former CIA/FBI people to sign the letter to say the Hunter Laptop story was Russian fake
–the involvement in the CIA/FBI/DOJ, etc. directly into key elements that would play a crucial part in the 2020 election outcome. (slow walking Hunter Biden investigation, etc.
Previously, dirty tricks were done by various election campaigns in the past. But in 2020 it seemed clear the DOJ/FBI/CIA and other federal agencies had been weaponized to play a far bigger role in the election and interfere in the election outcome than ever before.
IMO, the people on the various courts (state and federal) privately feared that if the DID move forward with a trial, the public would 1) become aware of all the REGULAR voting monkey business was going on during the very close 2020 election (and many other elections) and that would undermine the public’s confidence in the integrity of the election, and 2) if it became known during the trial of how much various federal agencies were involved in unique election interference would be like setting off a political atomic bomb and the people of the country would be enraged and demanding a new election or whatever. I do not think any of the judges in the various court cases wanted to pull up the covers and let the American public get a good hard look at the nuts and bolts of how an election takes place and of how much “normal” fraud, irregularities, etc. actually takes place in many, many elections. It would shake the public’s belief in the whole election process to the core.
Was there 2020 election FRAUD in a narrow sense?
Yes of course,. there always is.
Was there election MANIPULATION, INTERFERENCE, ETC.?
Indeed there WAS. But…is it “just politics” or were there clear VIOLATIONS OF EXSTING LAW? How could the courts handle exposing all this info without it leading to huge repercussions if the court allowed the big bandage to be suddenly ripped off the arm of the public regarding “election integrity”.
And of course, all this was happening with the backdrop of the 2016 election that the Hillary Clinton camp had insisted was ‘stolen.”
For the State or Federal courts to have undertaking a REAL TRIAL would have been a MONUMENTAL TASK THAT WOULD HAVE TAKEN MANY, MANY, MANY WEEKS OR MONTHS. Might not have completed the court case until after January, 2021.
And if the outcome showed “fraud” in the bigger sense of the word, it would have put the U.S. on uncharted ground. There is no provision in the constitution for having a do over election or in having the courts decide who actually should be sworn in as president in Jan. 2021.
Or what to do about a person sworn in (Biden) and how to remove him, when it later was discovered he won by fraudulent (in the larger sense) means.
DESANTIS on the radical agricultural policies of the WEF and European countries: “That’s dead on arrival in my Administration.”
“I will end this ESG nonsense on Day One…We need a viable, prosperous agriculture sector. And all the stuff that they are talking about in Europe is just deadly to that.”
Until there is legit chain of custody and cross verification of legal voter registration status in EVERY state elections will always be questioned. And the US citizenry is too passive and the political leaders are weak or corrupted to address it properly.
There is one Governor that did. He won by 19 points.
In case anyone was wondering, the cost to remove and replace the broken garage door springs-which as I suspected were both broken–and have installed a new 16-foot garage door rod, new springs, brackets, rollers (does NOT include replacing the garage door itself) is a cool $1,000.
With the influx of multi-millions of illegals, out of control spending in congress encouraged by the Trump and Biden administrations, leading to runaway inflation and creating a financial bubble that’s ready to burst, feeble foreign policy, and lawlessness abounding nationwide there is going to be hell to pay in the comings days, weeks and years. .
Interviewed by John Solomon tonight. Donald Trump is asked again if he would choose Nikki Haley as VP and does not rule it out.
“I actually got along with her very well. As you know, she left at a nice ceremony at the White House — it was very nice. She said terrific things about me.”
Typical Trump. This is NOT the leader we need facing the critical issues of our times.
It’s good that the Palestinian protestors are starting to block U.S. airports”
Zzzzz.. they are not Palestinian protestors, they are pro genocide, pro-Hamas and pro-terrorist agitators.
But I hope they do continue to disrupt the lives of travelers, they thing the will get sympathy for a caused by making travelers miss flights and suffer huge traffic jams?
I think Trump is an arrogant mf-er who will accept 99% of what Putin wants, tell Zelensky to be happy with his 1%, call it an epic “Peace Deal” and nominate himself for a Nobel Peace Prize and a Medal of Freedom.”
Zzzzzz…I doubt you really believe that garbage.
The “Trump is pro-Putin” meme is a far left talking point that was never borne out during his Presidency, much to the contrary. The “pro-Putin” BS stems from the “Russia helped him get elected” and “he praised Putin”.
Trump never lifted the sanctions against Russia for the Crimea invasion, approved the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine (Obama refused to do that) and openly attacked Russia’s operations in Syria and its allies there.
I very much doubt Putin would have invaded Ukraine at the time and manner that he did if Trump had been President. That alone tells you Putin was much more afraid of Trump than Biden. One reason Putin would not have invaded was that Trump told him he would “nuke Moscow” if he invaded Ukraine.
“fI got along great with him. I say, ‘Vladimir, if you do it, we’re hitting Moscow.’ And he sort of believed me, in like 5%, 10%, that’s all you need.”
Retllaw’s rendition of the 2020 election covered most of the bases dealing with legislative and other irregularities. I think a plurality, if not a majority, of voters still feel our elections are pathetically corrupted, whether or not a trial was done to prove how fraudulently run the last presidential election was run.
As for Trump’s not disavowing Haley as a possible VP candidate, it’s his way to use a response with honey in order to attract some of her supporters to his side during the GE. His deliberate vagueness leaves that door congenially open. However, the many times he has referred to her as “birdbrain,” shows how little respect Trump really has for her – someone he would not choose for his VP.
“Gaston Glock, the man responsible for developing the namesake weapon, died on Wednesday at the age of 94.
Glock developed the famous handgun in the 1980s, when the Austrian military was looking for a new, innovative weapon. Until then, the Glock company had made military knives and consumer goods including curtain rods.
Glock assembled a team of firearms experts and came up with the Glock 17, a lightweight semi-automatic gun largely made of plastic. The revolutionary design – with a frame made of a high-strength, nylon-based polymer and only the slide made of metal – beat several other companies’ blueprints and secured his upstart outfit the contract.
The easily assembled weapon became a global hit, with the Austrian winning loyal followings among police and military across the world.”
Your explanation regarding Haley makes sense if Trumps wants establishment voters. Which also makes sense because he panders to the establishment if they compliment him.
And I don’t really believe you think Trump was a brilliant strategist at countering Putin’s plans. Putin had no involvement in getting Trump elected. However, Trump’s statement he could end the war in 24 hours reveals that he is a
complete moron on the war. Truly embarrassing and naive.
When the garage door springs, etc. were being replaced today, the wife comes to get me as the dehumidifier in the carpeted basement has malfunctioned.
Happened once before. Big mess to clean up the water in/under the carpet.
Not as bad this time.
This time, I figured out what the problem was. The filter had not been cleaned for a while. This led to a clog in the little spout where condensed water enters the removable container below that catches the water. The water was not going through the clogged tube into the removable container that, when filled, a float mechanism causes the dehumidifier to shut down until you empty the container, replace it, and hit the start button. So, the dehumidifier was working and sucking moisture out of the air. But it was not going into the container that holds the water until filled and instead just was running out somewhere onto the carpeted floor.
I cleaned out the clog in the little spout, cleaned the air filter good, and put it back together. Works fine. The flat 12 inch X 10 inch filter is hard to see. Check your owner’s manual.
It’s the blind cult followers of Trump that make me root for his political demise asap. The conservative movement will have a lot to evaluate after that happens.
100% Wrong as usual. The GOP was a cesspool from 2000-2016 before Trump took over. If not for him, we would have had Jeb or birdbrain or some other establishment figure bombing Iran by now.
The fact that John McCain and the RINOs hate Trump more than even the democrats tells all conservative voters who they need to be supporting.
It’s not about “NeverTrumper” (again 2016) it is about winning elections with solid Constitutional conservatives…Trump is nothing more than controlled opposition who will be in the court system for a couple years. Unless SCOTUS decides he has immunity. Which I doubt based on opinions on Presidential immunity issues already from a couple Trump appointments.
His best days are over. He might win the primary but he will never win another General.
Colorado 3rd will be a D seat in 2024. MAGA Lauren “Hands” Boebert is switching congressional districts in 2024. She will now run in the Colorado 4th Congressional District. This seat is now open due Ken Buck retiring. When your party has candidates that have to flee plus-9 districts in your favor, that is NEVER a good sign. However, to Lauren’s credit she actually out-performed Trump in her former district. She at least won, albeit barely, Trump lost it by 13 in 2020. Are you tired of winning yet?
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And I don’t really believe you think Trump was a brilliant strategist at countering Putin’s plans. Putin had no involvement in getting Trump elected. However, Trump’s statement he could end the war in 24 hours reveals that he is a
complete moron on the war. Truly embarrassing and naive.”
I already gave my opinion on Trump’s plan, and it was not a favorable review. Nothing brilliant. It will be a combination of threatening Zelensky with less aid and threatening Putin with more aid. It will involve the Russians giving back some of the territory they conquered but keeping most of it so both sides can have a “win”. It won’t include reparations by Russia or prosecutions of war crimes. I won’t support it.
However, I don’t think saying he will end the war in 24 hours is embarrassing or naive. It would only be naive if Trump really believed it, which he doesn’t. It is actually smart politics. It’s the kind of thing that gets him votes and helps get him elected.
Kurt Schlichter is for the Golden Calf. Contrary to him, I won’t vote for a Trump/BLM Panderer ticket, but his article is well balanced.
“The GOP primaries and caucuses have not actually started, but Donald Trump appears from the polling to be way ahead. I prefer Ron DeSantis, but if you are betting, you would probably put your money on Donald Trump being nominated again. So be it. That’s what primaries are for—to find out what the base wants and to do that. And if that’s what the base wants, that’s what it should get. I’m going to support the nominee whether it is Ron DeSantis or Donald Trump or… well, it’s going to be one of those two. And I am still going to continue to support the nominee even if it is Donald Trump and he picks Nikki Haley as his vice presidential running mate, which I totally see him doing. I am a Republican, and my party winning is what matters first.
An upset victory by Ron DeSantis in Iowa would probably end all the ridiculous commentary about how Ron DeSantis is somehow running a terrible campaign. The idea his campaign is somehow bad is nonsense. Ron DeSantis is running the only campaign he could possibly run in this situation, and he’s running it just fine. Is it perfect? No. Every campaign has ups and downs and problems. But the breathless critiques of his campaign accusing it of somehow being terrible are just plain silly. This is especially prevalent on social media, where you have people announcing that they have never seen a campaign so bad, which might be true since they only got into politics about one or two cycles ago. His campaign is not bad. His path to the nomination is just incredibly narrow and difficult. Plus, Democrat election interference in the form of disgraceful, bogus lawfare rallies Trump’s supporters and focuses attention on Trump.
The reality is that Ron DeSantis has a real challenge in this election in the form of a popular, at least among Republican voters, ex-president who is running again. Republicans like Donald Trump. No one else does. Independents don’t like him, and Democrats positively loathe him to the extent that he would generate huge turnout numbers even for the senile, desiccated old pervert he will be running against (unless they trade Crusty out for Governor Hairstyle). The only path for Ron DeSantis is to somehow get around the fact that Republicans still like Donald Trump. And they should still like Donald Trump. He can be very annoying, but he was also a pretty good president overall and would probably be perfectly acceptable if he won reelection.
Still, a challenger has to get around the voters (many of them new voters) who will never vote for anyone else and those who are open to it in theory but will stick with Trump in practice. You’re either going to overcome the Trump obstacle or you’re not, and a lot of that’s out of your control if you’re challenging him. The only way to do that is to win the argument on electability—the case is that Donald Trump is going to have a very difficult time winning in November because about 53 percent of Americans unreasonably hate him. You’re not going to change the voters’ minds on policy because the two are very similar, though I think Ron DeSantis would be stronger on policy because he’s more ideological and a more focused leader. The only differentiator is electability. Ron DeSantis essentially has to win with the argument that you should go with him because he is more likely to win in November than Donald Trump for a variety of reasons. Of course, the risk is that the voters shrug and say, “We like this guy enough that we’re going to take our chances.”
Which is what the polls, if you believe them, appear to say.”
Kristen Soltis Anderson
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If you think Trump is a chaotic menace and that voters in November will obviously agree, consider this a warning.
Right now, a non-insignificant number of voters look back at the prior president’s term with some fondness, at least relative to today.just
I find when JeffP talks about someone “ranting” he must be referring to himself. All he does is sound more and more frustrated with Trump’s presence in this election, where he remains ahead of the pack, despite the “most successful governor in the country” unable to gain traction with the voters. This may all change once the primary voting begins, when Trump’s lead could go sideways. However, people who bitterly flog the leader of a contest, deriding what was a fairly successful first term under extreme opposition, just become aggravating.
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@seanmdav
It was obvious from the beginning this would only end with a negotiated settlement that included Russia claiming a large swath of land. That settlement could’ve been agreed to years ago, before hundreds of thousands of people were killed. Everyone with a brain and a soul knew it.
And the only reason they were sent into the meat grinder is because a bunch of politicians in Washington and London decided years of death and misery were worth it because a profit could be made for their benefactors in the military-industrial. That’s not my opinion, as the war’s backers proudly said as much out loud.
Lindsey Graham was happy to fight to the last Ukrainian. Mitch McConnell all but said wiping out a generation of Ukrainian men was a worthwhile trade for rebuilding America’s defense industry. Major national newspapers and networks published and broadcast that propaganda in both their news and editorial products. Joe Biden and the remnants of the Obama administration decided Zelensky had to be protected at any cost because of all the money that flowed to the Biden family through Ukraine.
These people are monsters, who care nothing for peace or stability or human life. They are evil. They want money and power above else, but what they deserve is your total contempt.
He is the first elected official to snap the spines of the demonic teachers’ unions in a major urban population center Miami. This is a generational accomplishment. All he does is win on policy, which is what matters most.
Zzzzzzzzzz. Putin did not require Biden’s approval. Even if Biden had made a speech that said, “Putin – I demand that you invade Ukraine!” Putin is the only person responsible for the invasion.
Rich Baris “The People’s Pundit”
@Peoples_Pundit
Nikki Haley could not answer a question RE: the “cause of the Civil War”, much like she could not #Name3 provinces in Ukraine so critical to democracy the U.S. needs to fight Russia over them.
Just stop.
But thanks, at least. The spin has been HILARIOUS.
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“The Bible doesn’t say how many wise men there were, just that there were 3 gifts. Also there is no mention of camels.”
True, DW, the tradition of three Magi comes from the number of gifts. Also, the original Greek refers to the Magi giving gifts to a toddler (not a newborn) who was in his house (not a manger). The shepherds worshipped the newborn Jesus at the manger, but the Magi didn’t reach Jesus until a year or two later, when Joseph and Mary were living in a house. That also explains why Herod ordered that all male children *ages three and under* be murdered: The Magi were asking him about a birth that had taken place months or years prior.
JeffP, you have it ass-backwards with respect to Boebert’s district. It’s a comfortably GOP CD that Trump carried by 8.3% in 2020, and only Boebert’s incompetence turned it into a nail-biter in 2022. With Boebert now running in the safely GOP CO-04 (which Trump carried by over 18% in 2020), that means that a normal Republican will get the CO-03 nomination and win easily, instead of having to wait several days to see if Boebert can eke out a victory.
Nikki “you have to feel my pain” Haley the Pander Queen.
Nikki Haley was asked by a voter in New Hampshire tonight about the cause of the Civil War. “I mean, I think the cause of the Civil War was basically how government was going to run. The freedoms and what people couldn’t do,” Haley answered.
Huh, no.
The Civil War happened because the South was not willing to give up slavery.
If you can’t say what the Civil War was about, you shouldn’t be President.
Good analysis of Nikki “you must feel my pain” Haley. Not fit for dogcatcher. But its not rare we get “such accidental insight” from her. We get it from her just about every time she opens her mouth.
Haley’s Sin Isn’t Racism — It’s Contempt
Jeffrey Blehar
But what insults about it is that — lost in rote accusations of “racism blah blah GOP base blah blah” — we will avoid discussion of Nikki Haley’s real sin: holding her voters either in such contempt, or fear, that she can’t confidently state a simple truth. The real gaffe Haley committed on Wednesday was that, when she froze up under an unpredicted question and defaulted to her factory settings in answering, those answers demonstrated such contempt for the intelligence of her voters. We can be told the Civil War was about slavery, Nikki — we’re all adults here. Few politicians look good when caught nakedly pandering in public, but Nikki Haley wears the look witheringly poorly — it knocks out one of the key underlying struts currently upholding her fragile public brand. That’s why this little gaffe, however minor, memorably reveals something about Haley; we rarely get such accidental insight into how little politicians think of their own voters.”
And btw I don’t accuse Nikki “you must feel my pain” Haley of racism, just pandering. You can believe the Civil War was just about “economics” or “how to run the government” and not be a racist. You are just wrong.
“The cause of the Civil War was all about racism and slavery as to why the north and south went to war with each other.”
So, if that is TRUE,
–why did several states that allowed slavery fight on the side of the north?
–why did Lincoln not issue the emancipation proclamation to outlaw slavery at the beginning of the civil war instead of several years as the fighting commenced?
–why was WV allowed by the Lincoln government to become a state in 1863 and enter the union (North) when its new State constitution allowed slavery to continue in WV for some time
–why did the emancipation proclamation not free any slaves held in non confederate states?
–why did some free Blacks in the south fight in the confederate army
There were a number of economic issues that led to the civil war, slavery being one of them.
IMO (which can be supported by a wide number of factual documents) slavery was NOT THE cause of the civil war., was not THE cause. But the outcome of the civil war DEFINITELY did for a fact END SLAVERY IN AMERICA.
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Historically false simplistic statement is: The cause of the civil war was all about slavery. The north anti-slavery side won and then ended slavery in south and everywhere in the U.S.”
More historically accurate statement is: There were a number of causes of the civil war including what to do about the long simmering slavery issue. Other cultural and economic issues included the south developing mostly as an agricultural society and the north a more industrialized society and the southern folks being upset over disparities of U.S. laws and policy that seemed to favor the northern manufacturing states over the southern more agricultural states. These disparities included tariff policies between manufactured goods and agricultural goods and over the lack of federal government spending in the south on internal transportation improvements to connect the east with the expanding west as compared with amount spent by federal government on same in the north. Several years after the war began, Lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation which freed all the slaves in any southern confederate state where the northern army was in control. The Emanc. Procl., however, did NOT free a single slave in D.C. or any other of the slave states that were part of the union and not part of the confederacy. After the North won the civil war, amendments to the constitution were quickly passed to end slavery, make former slaves U.S. citizens and giving former slaves the right to vote.
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I find it amazing that many Northern and Southern soldiers and commanding officers often treated their adversaries with respect and compassion during the war itself, and within a few years they had put that war behind them and veterans from both sides would meet to commemorate various battles and interact amicably. Contrast that with the harsh divide of right and left today. Can you imagine the far left whackadoodles and far right whackadoodles in today’s cultural wars treating each other with dignity and respect and letting bygones be bygones? We can’t even accomplish that on HHR.
While true that the reason the south wanted to keep slavery was for economic reasons the basic reason the war happened was that the South did not want to give up slavery.
Everything else is smoke and mirrors to try to justify the unjustifiable.
All the reasons Walt gave to support his theory don’t support it at all, he is talking about political decisions that were made according to the situation at hand, nothing to do with the root cause of the war. Lincoln only signed the emancipation several years later because the political situation at the start of the war did not allow for it.
Everyone who thinks otherwise should go to the blackboard and write 1,000 times.
The thread is getting a little long but there is a lively debate going. New thread will go up tomorrow morning while I am waiting for the 6:58 train. GFY
142 responses to “Back to work until the end of the year!”
My office is closed today. I am going to my office. Both can be true.
The staff is off but when you work on billable hours, the timesheet never closes.
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Translation: brown nosing.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/easily-fooled-nikki-haley-has-long-history-pushing/
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Zzzzzzz No bosses here and it does not matter whether I bill time here or at home. It is just quieter and easier to work in the office. GFY.
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Ma, that bait for Brown Nose Fish works well.
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Damm, we got our money’s worth on those bombs? Watch the video.
Another Russian warship bites the dust, or is it the bottom of the bay….
Someone do a welfare check on Janzam and Tina.
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Does the Russian Navy even try to protect its vessels or is that too much work?
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You are so predictable. Every time a ship, tank or armament gets cremated by a missile, bestowed to Ukraine from the west, it is gleefully reported here. I saw that story this morning and just knew it would wind up on HHR via Jason. In the meantime Ukraine is sending out ambulances to snatch men off the street to fight – those under 18 and up to 60 years of age are now subject to forced conscription, due to the extreme depletion of Ukraine’s fighting forces.
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A look at Ukraine’s progress through maps indicating territory gained and lost in this war.
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-war-maps-2023-counteroffensive-before-after-1854000
”Kyiv is pushing its Western partners hard for continued, and expanded, aid. But Zelensky faces growing fatigue in Europe and the U.S., with skeptics strengthened by the Ukrainian counteroffensive failure.”
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Assuming your report is true, Jan (you provided no link), who are the Ukrainians fighting? Russian invaders.
I will try again. What is the result if Ukrainians stop fighting? Putin is not going to negotiate anything less than a complete Ukrainian surrender.
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I can see Janzam is triggered by the loss of a major Russian warship with Western provided weaponry, which destroys her BS about the “aid being stolen” and rest of her Kremlin propagand.
Russia state media reporting that a large piece of the warship was found 650 meters away, which means there was a major secondary explosion of the ship’s cargo, possibly drones and/or ammunition.
The complement of that ship is 87 sailors, you can bet even with a skeleton crew if was in port dozens were probably killed.
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Every square inch of territory is Ukraine’s. None of it is Russia’s.
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Funny how Janzam, by claiming the counteroffensive “failed” and Ukraine “needs more soldiers”, is actually making the case for MORE AID, not less.
But her head is too full of Putin’s propaganda and she is too stupid to realize that.
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Every time a ship, tank or armament gets cremated by a missile, bestowed to Ukraine from the west, it is gleefully reported here”
Guilty as charged. I am rooting tor the Ukrainians and every ship, tank, or plane that gets destroyed helps the Ukrainians.
Every weapon “bestowed to Ukraine” that is used against the invaders is a sign the aid is being put to its appropriate use.
Why do Russian losses bother you?
A friend wants to know.
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Piece of ship 650 meters from explosion.
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I am sorry you are having a bad day with the loss of the Russian ship, Janzam.
Maybe the Russians will fire a missile into a school or hospital and kill some civilians to make you feel better.
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Loved the comment:
“Dude, you so miss the oppty … hot glue some Bedazzles on it, then list it on eBay as a work of art”
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https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/158517-gerasimov_russia_ukraine/
Just in case Jan missed any reports from Pravda.
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When you direct a post at me, do you want me to respond or not respond? Also, you and Ma can GFYs.
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Bitterlaw
December 26, 2023 at 2:10 pm
Does the Russian Navy even try to protect its vessels or is that too much work?”
This is the 11th major warship/sub that has been sunk.
The Russians have pretty much pulled their naval assets out of Sevastopol in order to protect them,.
I think this attack was at an unexpected port where it was deemed “safe”. Feodosia is on the eastern part of Crimea, only about 50 miles from Russia proper.
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When you direct a post at me, do you want me to respond or not respond?”
It depends on the response.
Post acknowledging my stellar brilliance, sagacity, perspicacity and erudition are always welcome.
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Just in case Jan missed any reports from Pravda”
I doubt that is possible. She has a hard copy subscription in case she misses anything online.
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More videos of the explosion. Janzam will hate it.
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Both Jason & Bitter are “triggered” by any post questioning the funding, the actual progress (or stalemate) Ukraine is making in this war, or the misgivings voiced by the Ukrainian military, aids, or government officials about how this war is being internally managed by Zelensky. The corruption the Times, the Economist, and other publications have reported on is either scoffed at or said to be Pravda-sourced. Ironically, throwing stones and insults at reports not in sync with your own narrative is what the left does to their opposition here. Consequently, it sounds like Jason and Bitter are following the left’s playbook in their desperation to make the case for what oftentimes seems to be a blinded support for Ukraine.
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Jason your multiple posts on a Russian vessel being destroyed by a Ukrainian missile has not been disputed. So, what is your point? Maybe, it’s because you have little else to boost about, except to cheer how many deaths possibly occurred from that attack.
You treat this war sometimes as an impersonal video game rather than real life human suffering. Like in the American Civil War, when the north and south fought, it was akin to brother killing brother. The same is true in this war, as there are many linkages between the Ukrainian and Russian people. It’s ostensibly the leaders, Putin and Zelensky, who are calling the shots, while it’s the people on both sides taking the hits.
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Zzzzzzzzz My support for Ukraine is based solely on the following.:
1. Ukraine was brutally invaded with absolutely no justification on the order of a KGB thug, Putin.
2. Military aid to Ukraine is the only way to defend its citizens against further death, rape, displacement, and defeat by Putin.
3. There is no deal acceptable to Putin except for Ukraine’s surrender.
4. It is in the strategic interest of the US to prevent expansion of Russia into Europe via the annexation of Ukraine
Jan refuses to admit that the only result of her desire to end military aid to Ukraine is a victory for Putin. Let her justify that.
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Jesus, Mary, and Joseph. Could Jan sound more like Putin with the “brothers” bs? Ukraine was a sovereign nation. Putin ordered the invasion. Putin is 100% responsible for this war. He caused it. Zelensky and the Ukrainians are defending themselves. Why can’t you admit it?
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DESANTIS: “I’m going to be a change agent in Washington. I don’t want to be liked in Washington. I don’t care about the media, the bureaucrats, any of that. I want to return this government to We the People.”
I believe him. Washington, media, bureaucrats, establishment hate this guy.
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Where is the Florida Ag?
https://nypost.com/2022/12/10/anatomy-of-a-biden-deal-hudson-west-iii/
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Ok Folks, this is going to be my one and only post about the Ukraine. I think most here know I had business there for a number of years, so feel I can chime in.
A. The only reason the left cares about the Ukraine is because it was the vehicle of Trump’s impeachment. If not for that, and their newfound distaste for Russia (remember all the years they were the Soviet Union liberals pushed detente and how good health care was there, and our buddy Obama said they weren’t a threat in 2012. They only became the bad guys because Hillary used them as the scapegoat for her loss in 2016), they would not care about the war in the Ukraine.
B. Some on the right (especially the Pauliac followers and Freedom caucus bozos) pan Ukraine and Zelinski because the Ukraine was the vehicle for Trump’s impeachment, and not for that, they wouldn’t care one way or the other about the war.
3. a. As in life, both sides of the argument that rages daily here have crumbs of truth. Most important, the Ukraine will not survive without aid from the West, and we should continue to support them. We can not allow Russia to take over the country
b. There is massive corruption and graft going on, and people are getting rich there off the aid and military equipment going in. I worked early on to arrange equipment going in, and was shocked at the graft. Still, the equipment was necessary and was sent.
c. Both can be true and are
It is a lot more complex situation than we can really address here on this board, but it breaks my heart to see the fighting going on each day over this topic. I do not think anyone on this board likes Putin. I think that those supporting aid are correct, we can not stop it. I do think there needs to be more oversight. Both can be true.
Soooooo…..can we stop fighting and posting about the Ukraine and concentrate on the issues that will actually shape this election. I read a terrifying piece in the NY Times yesterday about the Dems strategy, and they are going full in on the Hitler comparisons. We will see good, hard working, average Americans being compared to Hitler and called Nazi’s by next fall, and we can not have that.
So let’s concentrate on the issues, let’s post as many polls as we can, and maybe we’ll also bring in some of the old, and some new to this amazing site.
That is it. Rant over.
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Like in the American Civil War, when the north and south fought, it was akin to brother killing brother. The same is true in this war, as there are many linkages between the Ukrainian and Russian people. It’s ostensibly the leaders, Putin and Zelensky, who are calling the shots, while it’s the people on both sides taking the hits”
LOL
This is not a civil war and the analogy between the Russian invasion of Ukraine and the US Civil War is one of the stupidest things I ever read here. There are no “linkages” between Russia and Ukraine, Ukraine is a sovereign nation recognized as such by the international community. It is not part of Russia and Russians and Ukrainians are not “brothers”.
Zelensky is not calling any shots. He is defending his country from an unprovoked, unwarranted, and brutal invasion. Putin is 100% for this war and all its consequences.
You are one ignorant moron.
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Soooooo…..can we stop fighting and posting about the Ukraine and concentrate on the issues that will actually shape this election.”
Sorry, Vic but foreign policy is an important part of any election and the Russian invasion of Ukraine has important strategic and geopolitical long term significance for the US.
So when you say let’s concentrate on the issues, the issue of Russia expansionism is an important issue. Putin must be stopped in Ukraine so there is no way we can stick our heads in the sand and will the issue away.
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Jason, I agree with you 100% when you say, “So when you say let’s concentrate on the issues, the issue of Russia expansionism is an important issue. Putin must be stopped in Ukraine so there is no way we can stick our heads in the sand and will the issue away.”
Putin can not win, and I do not think the West will allow him to win. I think he has moved into a war of attrition stage, thinking we will get tired. We can not, and I don’t believe we will.
With that said, we do need some accountability and oversight. We can both provide the necessary equipment and aid while also ensuring that exploitation and graft is kept under control.
As well, and most importantly, we can not stick our heads in the ground, and get “unpregnant” so to speak. The war is going on. There is no going back, no redo.
My hope is that on this blog we can realize that it isn’t going to end, and if Trump is elected, he will continue to support the Ukraine until Russia withdraws. He will not, much to the chagrin of the Paulistas and Freedom Causus bozos, stop the aid to Ukraine. I hope, with that said, we can move on to other issues.
I realize that foreign policy is a huge issue going into the election, and we need to focus on that. We are at two wars right now with another about to explode in Africa and yet another one in the Balkans. No one is talking about those. There could be, literally, on election day, four wars across the globe. That is a complete failure on our behalf, not to mention the invasion at our own border.
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Biden Approval Ratings – Please see how many are below 40% – Wasn’t it Dem in sheeps clothing Robbie who was always bringing up Trump’s approval?? His overall Approval is 40.5%
Rasmussen Reports 12/17 – 12/21 1500 LV 46 53 Spread-7
Economist/YouGov 12/16 – 12/18 1336 RV 42 55 Spread -13
Quinnipiac 12/14 – 12/18 1647 RV 38 58 Spread -20
Yahoo News 12/14 – 12/18 1533 A 37 57 Spread -20
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NY Times/Siena 12/10 – 12/14 1016 LV 39 57 Spread -18
FOX News 12/10 – 12/13 1007 RV 43 57 Spread -14
Gallup 12/1 – 12/20 1013 A 39 59 Spread -20
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NPR/PBS/Marist 12/4 – 12/7 1129 RV 42 54 Spread -12
Emerson 12/4 – 12/6 1000 RV 41 51 Spread -10
Reuters/Ipsos 12/1 – 12/3 1017 A 40 53 Spread -13
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Vic – Thoughtful analysis. I disagree with you on what Trump would do if he was re-elected. His “end the war in 24 hours” statement proved that he does not comprehend the issues involved in the war. I believe he would cater to the isolationist wing of the party (Jan and Tina) and stop US aid.
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Of course, if Trump did support military aid to Ukraine, Jan and Tina would say it was a brilliant move and join me and Jason as warmongers.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12904039/Michigan-Supreme-Court-KEEPS-Donald-Trump-ballot-reject-14th-amendment-insurrectionist-claim.html
Michigan refuses to go along with Colorado’s shenanigans.
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I don’t think Trump would end aid to Ukraine, he certainly allowed plenty of aid to Ukraine during his first term. He is not going to let Russia annex Ukraine under his watch, you read it here first.
I think he will use aid as a bargaining chip against Putin (and Zelensky) to try to sell his “peace plan”. If the Russians refuse it, he will continue aid, maybe even increase it. And remember, as we know Trump is not a fiscal conservative and he would have no qualms from a financial standpoint to continue aid. The Putin Stooges will be disappointed that Trump is not going to be worried about “accountability”, that is a word missing from his lexicon.
Unfortunately, Trump’s “24 hour plan” is probably something that will reward Putin for his invasion, which I will strongly oppose. Undoubtedly he would allow Russia to keep most of the territory it has illegally conquered and he might agree to some vague promise to keep Ukraine out of NATO, a terrible mistake. And in my view, any deal that does not make the Russians pay reparations and refer war criminals for trial at the Hague is not acceptable.
But end aid to Ukraine without a peace deal, no. I would be willing to bet he would not do that.
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Hassan Atrash, who is a weapons smuggler for Hamas, was absolutely blown to smithereens in a gargantuan airstrike that was operated by Israel, according to the New York post, which cites the Israel Defense Forces.”
Kind of an appropriate name….
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I think Trump is an arrogant mf-er who will accept 99% of what Putin wants, tell Zelensky to be happy with his 1%, call it an epic “Peace Deal” and nominate himself for a Nobel Peace Prize and a Medal of Freedom.
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RIP, Tom Smothers of the Smothers Brothers.
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Listened to local talk radio. One topic was potential VP choices for Trump. Tim Scott, Haley, DeSantis and Tucker Carlson were mentioned. Several callers proposed Tulsi Gabbard as an independent choice to attract more moderate and Democrat voters who don’t like Biden. Others included Manchin and Col. Allen West. Nobody proposed Walt. Yet. I think Walt may be disqualified because we are not sure if he was born in the US because it did not exist when he was born and we’re not sure where he was born before the land mass separated into continents.
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It’s good that the Palestinian protestors are starting to block U.S. airports especially with so many of these so these fake Christians who watch Fox News Fake News who don’t know what’s going on in the world.
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Did Bunu sustain a concussion? This post makes less sense than usual.
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I guess Vic shut down the thread with his lengthy analysis. We are not meant to handle deep thoughts.
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OK.
Here is my take on the disputed 2020 presidential election.
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If you recall, I STATED ON HERE THAT IS ALL THIS MESS OF THE DISPUTED ELECTION OUTCOME AND CLOSE OUTOCME IN VARIOUS KEY STATES that there NEEDED TO BE AN INVESTIGATION into the allegations or else all hell would break loose. In the two months between the election and the swearing in of Biden, NO COURT CASE HAPPENED AND OREAL INVESTIGATION TOOK PLACE. Guiliani and others DID have hearings before various state legislators in GA, AZ, WI, etc. but that was it.
And all hell has broken loose for the last 3 years.
Trump filed 40 or whatever lawsuits in various states disputing the election results. The various courts REFUSED to actually conduct a court case where evidence could be submitted and through the case out without a TRIAL–no standing, would not have affected the outcome, we don’t want to get involved, etc., etc.
Some states did RECOUNTS of the same ballots they counted on election night. And of course, counting the same ballots without looking at VBM absentee ballot signature matches, etc., etc. the outcome was the same. No effort to actually see WHO cast ballots, WHEN, WERE THEY ELEIGIBLE VOTER, DID THEY CAST A VOTE IN ANOTHER STATE, HAD THE VOTER DIED IN 1952 BUT STILL CAST HIS BALLOT, ETC. , ETC.
A REAL and public court case would either explain to the American people in an appropriate way that the various charges of fraudulent election were not factual. Or else the evidence could not be sufficiently explained away and did indeed show election abuse, irregularities, etc. If no fraud was substantiated, then it is proved it was a fair and valid election and everyone moves on. If it WAS proven there WAS fraud, irregularities, violation of State laws, etc. then we move on from there–even arrests, possible new election, etc.
However, I feel the courts at various levels knew full well that there are a certain amount of voter fraud, irregularities, violation of state law, etc. in EVERY election. To wit:
–ballot harvesting of mentally incompetent folks residing in nursing homes,
–people voting in more than one state
–hundreds of voters voting from the same vacant lots, etc.
–ineligible voters voting (felon in some states, underage, legal and illegal immigrants, etc.
–people paying people (money, gift cards, liquor, whatever) to vote a certain way
–perhaps corrupt election officials taking action to put their finger on their scales (depending on their own political view) of whether or not to count this provisional vote or that provisional vote that was cast.
The bigger problem in THE 2020 election was the unparalleled FLOOD of absentee ballots that came into play (because of COVID, they say). Most European countries have run away from VBM ballots because of the chain of custody of the ballot issues, and the opening wide the door to allow voter fraud/manipulation, etc. that could thwart the integrity of the election and the outcome.
One recent poll discovered that 17% of voters in the U.S. said they illegally helped fill out someone else’s VBM ballots, and 17% knew of someone else who illegally filled out all or part of someone else’s VBM ballot.
That brings into play the actions of various state SOS and State courts that issued directives that were CONTRARY to STATE LAW, including
–who gets mailed ballots and why,
–relaxing of signature verifications of mail in ballots
–relaxing of when the absentee ballots have to be mailed back by a certain deadline
–relaxing of when VBM ballots were returned, and they were still counted anyway
–relaxing rules of when people had to REGISTER to vote prior to the election,
–etc.
The other issue is the “crooked” “dirty tricks” play of others in the 2020 election.
Such as:
–involvement of the top people in MSM and social media in decisions to limit information on various things including the Hunter Biden laptop
–involvement of Blinken and others to get 50 or whatever top current or former CIA/FBI people to sign the letter to say the Hunter Laptop story was Russian fake
–the involvement in the CIA/FBI/DOJ, etc. directly into key elements that would play a crucial part in the 2020 election outcome. (slow walking Hunter Biden investigation, etc.
Previously, dirty tricks were done by various election campaigns in the past. But in 2020 it seemed clear the DOJ/FBI/CIA and other federal agencies had been weaponized to play a far bigger role in the election and interfere in the election outcome than ever before.
IMO, the people on the various courts (state and federal) privately feared that if the DID move forward with a trial, the public would 1) become aware of all the REGULAR voting monkey business was going on during the very close 2020 election (and many other elections) and that would undermine the public’s confidence in the integrity of the election, and 2) if it became known during the trial of how much various federal agencies were involved in unique election interference would be like setting off a political atomic bomb and the people of the country would be enraged and demanding a new election or whatever. I do not think any of the judges in the various court cases wanted to pull up the covers and let the American public get a good hard look at the nuts and bolts of how an election takes place and of how much “normal” fraud, irregularities, etc. actually takes place in many, many elections. It would shake the public’s belief in the whole election process to the core.
Was there 2020 election FRAUD in a narrow sense?
Yes of course,. there always is.
Was there election MANIPULATION, INTERFERENCE, ETC.?
Indeed there WAS. But…is it “just politics” or were there clear VIOLATIONS OF EXSTING LAW? How could the courts handle exposing all this info without it leading to huge repercussions if the court allowed the big bandage to be suddenly ripped off the arm of the public regarding “election integrity”.
And of course, all this was happening with the backdrop of the 2016 election that the Hillary Clinton camp had insisted was ‘stolen.”
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Bitter,
That above in my ‘DEEP THOUGHT”.
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For the State or Federal courts to have undertaking a REAL TRIAL would have been a MONUMENTAL TASK THAT WOULD HAVE TAKEN MANY, MANY, MANY WEEKS OR MONTHS. Might not have completed the court case until after January, 2021.
And if the outcome showed “fraud” in the bigger sense of the word, it would have put the U.S. on uncharted ground. There is no provision in the constitution for having a do over election or in having the courts decide who actually should be sworn in as president in Jan. 2021.
Or what to do about a person sworn in (Biden) and how to remove him, when it later was discovered he won by fraudulent (in the larger sense) means.
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Another reason RSD is the best choice.
DESANTIS on the radical agricultural policies of the WEF and European countries: “That’s dead on arrival in my Administration.”
“I will end this ESG nonsense on Day One…We need a viable, prosperous agriculture sector. And all the stuff that they are talking about in Europe is just deadly to that.”
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Until there is legit chain of custody and cross verification of legal voter registration status in EVERY state elections will always be questioned. And the US citizenry is too passive and the political leaders are weak or corrupted to address it properly.
There is one Governor that did. He won by 19 points.
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In case anyone was wondering, the cost to remove and replace the broken garage door springs-which as I suspected were both broken–and have installed a new 16-foot garage door rod, new springs, brackets, rollers (does NOT include replacing the garage door itself) is a cool $1,000.
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With the influx of multi-millions of illegals, out of control spending in congress encouraged by the Trump and Biden administrations, leading to runaway inflation and creating a financial bubble that’s ready to burst, feeble foreign policy, and lawlessness abounding nationwide there is going to be hell to pay in the comings days, weeks and years. .
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Inflation is a bitch. Walt only payed 5 shekels to replace the door of the manger after one of the camels carrying the 3 Wise Man damaged it.
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Excellent election analysis Walt. I am copying it to send to some of my friends. Yes I will give “Walt” credit.
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Interviewed by John Solomon tonight. Donald Trump is asked again if he would choose Nikki Haley as VP and does not rule it out.
“I actually got along with her very well. As you know, she left at a nice ceremony at the White House — it was very nice. She said terrific things about me.”
Typical Trump. This is NOT the leader we need facing the critical issues of our times.
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It’s good that the Palestinian protestors are starting to block U.S. airports”
Zzzzz.. they are not Palestinian protestors, they are pro genocide, pro-Hamas and pro-terrorist agitators.
But I hope they do continue to disrupt the lives of travelers, they thing the will get sympathy for a caused by making travelers miss flights and suffer huge traffic jams?
Think again.
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The Bible doesn’t say how many wise men there were, just that there were 3 gifts. Also there is no mention of camels.
–DW
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36/62 job approval for Biden in new RMG Research poll of 1000 rv
–DW
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I think Trump is an arrogant mf-er who will accept 99% of what Putin wants, tell Zelensky to be happy with his 1%, call it an epic “Peace Deal” and nominate himself for a Nobel Peace Prize and a Medal of Freedom.”
Zzzzzz…I doubt you really believe that garbage.
The “Trump is pro-Putin” meme is a far left talking point that was never borne out during his Presidency, much to the contrary. The “pro-Putin” BS stems from the “Russia helped him get elected” and “he praised Putin”.
Trump never lifted the sanctions against Russia for the Crimea invasion, approved the sale of lethal weapons to Ukraine (Obama refused to do that) and openly attacked Russia’s operations in Syria and its allies there.
I very much doubt Putin would have invaded Ukraine at the time and manner that he did if Trump had been President. That alone tells you Putin was much more afraid of Trump than Biden. One reason Putin would not have invaded was that Trump told him he would “nuke Moscow” if he invaded Ukraine.
“fI got along great with him. I say, ‘Vladimir, if you do it, we’re hitting Moscow.’ And he sort of believed me, in like 5%, 10%, that’s all you need.”
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Flynn knows where the bodies are buried, and he must be the VP
https://twitter.com/WarClandestine/status/1740150637436838329?s=20 Flynn knows where the bodies are buried
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Retllaw’s rendition of the 2020 election covered most of the bases dealing with legislative and other irregularities. I think a plurality, if not a majority, of voters still feel our elections are pathetically corrupted, whether or not a trial was done to prove how fraudulently run the last presidential election was run.
As for Trump’s not disavowing Haley as a possible VP candidate, it’s his way to use a response with honey in order to attract some of her supporters to his side during the GE. His deliberate vagueness leaves that door congenially open. However, the many times he has referred to her as “birdbrain,” shows how little respect Trump really has for her – someone he would not choose for his VP.
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Speaking of Glocks..best pistols in the world…
“Gaston Glock, the man responsible for developing the namesake weapon, died on Wednesday at the age of 94.
Glock developed the famous handgun in the 1980s, when the Austrian military was looking for a new, innovative weapon. Until then, the Glock company had made military knives and consumer goods including curtain rods.
Glock assembled a team of firearms experts and came up with the Glock 17, a lightweight semi-automatic gun largely made of plastic. The revolutionary design – with a frame made of a high-strength, nylon-based polymer and only the slide made of metal – beat several other companies’ blueprints and secured his upstart outfit the contract.
The easily assembled weapon became a global hit, with the Austrian winning loyal followings among police and military across the world.”
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Your explanation regarding Haley makes sense if Trumps wants establishment voters. Which also makes sense because he panders to the establishment if they compliment him.
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Trump calling people juvenile names doesn’t mean anything other than he is an asshol*.
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Trump has no respect for anybody.
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1 Free Pass, Bunu.
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My wife needs a handgun. She is 5’6 and only 120 lbs. My Glock is way too much for her. Any ideas?
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And I don’t really believe you think Trump was a brilliant strategist at countering Putin’s plans. Putin had no involvement in getting Trump elected. However, Trump’s statement he could end the war in 24 hours reveals that he is a
complete moron on the war. Truly embarrassing and naive.
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Yeah…Trump doesn’t respect the most successful Republican Governor in the country sure tells us a lot about who he is.
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1FPB
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End of year homeowner tip:
When the garage door springs, etc. were being replaced today, the wife comes to get me as the dehumidifier in the carpeted basement has malfunctioned.
Happened once before. Big mess to clean up the water in/under the carpet.
Not as bad this time.
This time, I figured out what the problem was. The filter had not been cleaned for a while. This led to a clog in the little spout where condensed water enters the removable container below that catches the water. The water was not going through the clogged tube into the removable container that, when filled, a float mechanism causes the dehumidifier to shut down until you empty the container, replace it, and hit the start button. So, the dehumidifier was working and sucking moisture out of the air. But it was not going into the container that holds the water until filled and instead just was running out somewhere onto the carpeted floor.
I cleaned out the clog in the little spout, cleaned the air filter good, and put it back together. Works fine. The flat 12 inch X 10 inch filter is hard to see. Check your owner’s manual.
You are friggin welcome.
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”Yeah…Trump doesn’t respect the most successful Republican Governor in the country sure tells us a lot about who he is.”
And…why do you think DJT doesn’t respect who you think is “the most successful Republican governor in the country?”
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Because Trump is an emotionally immature, draft dodging, silver spoon, immoral, hypocrite, petty, narcissist who wanted to be anointed king.
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It’s the blind cult followers of Trump that make me root for his political demise asap. The conservative movement will have a lot to evaluate after that happens.
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JeffP
100% Wrong as usual. The GOP was a cesspool from 2000-2016 before Trump took over. If not for him, we would have had Jeb or birdbrain or some other establishment figure bombing Iran by now.
The fact that John McCain and the RINOs hate Trump more than even the democrats tells all conservative voters who they need to be supporting.
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He served a purpose that purpose is over. Done. Toast. Nada.
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When you refer to 2016 you’re losing the argument.
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Nope, the NeverTrump movement is back in full swing and needs to be put down once again.
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Most of us would rather the country burn to the ground then have Never Trumpers gain power.
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It’s not about “NeverTrumper” (again 2016) it is about winning elections with solid Constitutional conservatives…Trump is nothing more than controlled opposition who will be in the court system for a couple years. Unless SCOTUS decides he has immunity. Which I doubt based on opinions on Presidential immunity issues already from a couple Trump appointments.
His best days are over. He might win the primary but he will never win another General.
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The GOP is still a cesspool BTW.
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Only because the Never Trumpers are back
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Now this is a thread!!!
Great analysis Walt
Guess I didn’t kill it after all…just wounded it for a few hours 😉
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Who are “us?”
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1 free pass, Bunu.
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Colorado 3rd will be a D seat in 2024. MAGA Lauren “Hands” Boebert is switching congressional districts in 2024. She will now run in the Colorado 4th Congressional District. This seat is now open due Ken Buck retiring. When your party has candidates that have to flee plus-9 districts in your favor, that is NEVER a good sign. However, to Lauren’s credit she actually out-performed Trump in her former district. She at least won, albeit barely, Trump lost it by 13 in 2020. Are you tired of winning yet?
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JeffP – Be careful. You are starting to sound like Robbie. Of course, Tina is starting to sound a little like Bunu (without being anti-Semitic).
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The fact that John McCain and the RINOs hate Trump more than even the democrats tells all conservative voters who they need to be supporting.”
The ghost of John McCain hates Trump?
Who knew.
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Anonymous
December 27, 2023 at 11:51 pm
Most of us would rather the country burn to the ground then have Never Trumpers gain power.”
I am surprised that at the American Nazi Party that view is only “most” rather than unanimous.
Did you guys properly dispose of dissenters?
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Bunu is a America hating terrorist loving Nazi.
JeffP is a TDS moron that doesn’t understand his silly MSM borrowed talking points against Trump aren’t really working.
Both can be true.
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Thanks for the dehumidifier advice, Walt.
Walt hasn’t made this type of significant contribution to society since he invented the wheel.
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Bitterlaw
December 27, 2023 at 10:10 pm
And I don’t really believe you think Trump was a brilliant strategist at countering Putin’s plans. Putin had no involvement in getting Trump elected. However, Trump’s statement he could end the war in 24 hours reveals that he is a
complete moron on the war. Truly embarrassing and naive.”
I already gave my opinion on Trump’s plan, and it was not a favorable review. Nothing brilliant. It will be a combination of threatening Zelensky with less aid and threatening Putin with more aid. It will involve the Russians giving back some of the territory they conquered but keeping most of it so both sides can have a “win”. It won’t include reparations by Russia or prosecutions of war crimes. I won’t support it.
However, I don’t think saying he will end the war in 24 hours is embarrassing or naive. It would only be naive if Trump really believed it, which he doesn’t. It is actually smart politics. It’s the kind of thing that gets him votes and helps get him elected.
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I think Trump believes he can end the war in 24 hours. He can’t. Both can be true. Suck it.
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Zzzzz….. do you think Trump really thought he could get Mexico to pay for the wall?
Same kind of rhetoric. He doesn’t believe the war will end in 24 hours, but he knows it will make headlines.
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Kurt Schlichter is for the Golden Calf. Contrary to him, I won’t vote for a Trump/BLM Panderer ticket, but his article is well balanced.
“The GOP primaries and caucuses have not actually started, but Donald Trump appears from the polling to be way ahead. I prefer Ron DeSantis, but if you are betting, you would probably put your money on Donald Trump being nominated again. So be it. That’s what primaries are for—to find out what the base wants and to do that. And if that’s what the base wants, that’s what it should get. I’m going to support the nominee whether it is Ron DeSantis or Donald Trump or… well, it’s going to be one of those two. And I am still going to continue to support the nominee even if it is Donald Trump and he picks Nikki Haley as his vice presidential running mate, which I totally see him doing. I am a Republican, and my party winning is what matters first.
An upset victory by Ron DeSantis in Iowa would probably end all the ridiculous commentary about how Ron DeSantis is somehow running a terrible campaign. The idea his campaign is somehow bad is nonsense. Ron DeSantis is running the only campaign he could possibly run in this situation, and he’s running it just fine. Is it perfect? No. Every campaign has ups and downs and problems. But the breathless critiques of his campaign accusing it of somehow being terrible are just plain silly. This is especially prevalent on social media, where you have people announcing that they have never seen a campaign so bad, which might be true since they only got into politics about one or two cycles ago. His campaign is not bad. His path to the nomination is just incredibly narrow and difficult. Plus, Democrat election interference in the form of disgraceful, bogus lawfare rallies Trump’s supporters and focuses attention on Trump.
The reality is that Ron DeSantis has a real challenge in this election in the form of a popular, at least among Republican voters, ex-president who is running again. Republicans like Donald Trump. No one else does. Independents don’t like him, and Democrats positively loathe him to the extent that he would generate huge turnout numbers even for the senile, desiccated old pervert he will be running against (unless they trade Crusty out for Governor Hairstyle). The only path for Ron DeSantis is to somehow get around the fact that Republicans still like Donald Trump. And they should still like Donald Trump. He can be very annoying, but he was also a pretty good president overall and would probably be perfectly acceptable if he won reelection.
Still, a challenger has to get around the voters (many of them new voters) who will never vote for anyone else and those who are open to it in theory but will stick with Trump in practice. You’re either going to overcome the Trump obstacle or you’re not, and a lot of that’s out of your control if you’re challenging him. The only way to do that is to win the argument on electability—the case is that Donald Trump is going to have a very difficult time winning in November because about 53 percent of Americans unreasonably hate him. You’re not going to change the voters’ minds on policy because the two are very similar, though I think Ron DeSantis would be stronger on policy because he’s more ideological and a more focused leader. The only differentiator is electability. Ron DeSantis essentially has to win with the argument that you should go with him because he is more likely to win in November than Donald Trump for a variety of reasons. Of course, the risk is that the voters shrug and say, “We like this guy enough that we’re going to take our chances.”
Which is what the polls, if you believe them, appear to say.”
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So he is pandering to isolationist morons? Got it.
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A Trump rant every few days is therapeutic.
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Kristen Soltis Anderson
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If you think Trump is a chaotic menace and that voters in November will obviously agree, consider this a warning.
Right now, a non-insignificant number of voters look back at the prior president’s term with some fondness, at least relative to today.just
I find when JeffP talks about someone “ranting” he must be referring to himself. All he does is sound more and more frustrated with Trump’s presence in this election, where he remains ahead of the pack, despite the “most successful governor in the country” unable to gain traction with the voters. This may all change once the primary voting begins, when Trump’s lead could go sideways. However, people who bitterly flog the leader of a contest, deriding what was a fairly successful first term under extreme opposition, just become aggravating.
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Now the Demented White House want a Ukrainian settlement. The aiders of the grifter won’t be happy.
https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1740068264619708521
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“Probably by giving up territory.” Lol. Probably because demented “allowed for a Russian incursion” in the first place.
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Follow the $$$
Sean Davis
@seanmdav
It was obvious from the beginning this would only end with a negotiated settlement that included Russia claiming a large swath of land. That settlement could’ve been agreed to years ago, before hundreds of thousands of people were killed. Everyone with a brain and a soul knew it.
And the only reason they were sent into the meat grinder is because a bunch of politicians in Washington and London decided years of death and misery were worth it because a profit could be made for their benefactors in the military-industrial. That’s not my opinion, as the war’s backers proudly said as much out loud.
Lindsey Graham was happy to fight to the last Ukrainian. Mitch McConnell all but said wiping out a generation of Ukrainian men was a worthwhile trade for rebuilding America’s defense industry. Major national newspapers and networks published and broadcast that propaganda in both their news and editorial products. Joe Biden and the remnants of the Obama administration decided Zelensky had to be protected at any cost because of all the money that flowed to the Biden family through Ukraine.
These people are monsters, who care nothing for peace or stability or human life. They are evil. They want money and power above else, but what they deserve is your total contempt.
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Now the uni party will cut its losses from Ukraine.
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Trump running is a waste and a losing proposition Jan. I don’t want the country to continue its downward destruction under Woke Commie Dems.
For you it’s Trump first regardless. It’s Stupid.
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Jan the HHR apologist for Trump. It’s comical.
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If you don’t understand nominating Trump is stupid politically and governing from 2024-2028 I can’t relate or help you. The end.
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Another reason to vote for RDS.
He is the first elected official to snap the spines of the demonic teachers’ unions in a major urban population center Miami. This is a generational accomplishment. All he does is win on policy, which is what matters most.
https://x.com/miamiherald/status/1739471112977707513?s=61&t=uLyKpWBwDwyCK292uUHCSA
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Zzzzzzzzzz. Putin did not require Biden’s approval. Even if Biden had made a speech that said, “Putin – I demand that you invade Ukraine!” Putin is the only person responsible for the invasion.
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Hundreds of thousands killed by Putin’s military. Fixed it for Tina.
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Goober now wants to hit Iran. War monger moving on to a new war front
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Lol, even the U.S. military is buying Russian oil. Indirectly of course.
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/17/1219882734/russias-economy-is-going-strong-despite-sanctions-from-the-u-s-and-its-allies
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Rich Baris “The People’s Pundit”
@Peoples_Pundit
Nikki Haley could not answer a question RE: the “cause of the Civil War”, much like she could not #Name3 provinces in Ukraine so critical to democracy the U.S. needs to fight Russia over them.
Just stop.
But thanks, at least. The spin has been HILARIOUS.
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“The Bible doesn’t say how many wise men there were, just that there were 3 gifts. Also there is no mention of camels.”
True, DW, the tradition of three Magi comes from the number of gifts. Also, the original Greek refers to the Magi giving gifts to a toddler (not a newborn) who was in his house (not a manger). The shepherds worshipped the newborn Jesus at the manger, but the Magi didn’t reach Jesus until a year or two later, when Joseph and Mary were living in a house. That also explains why Herod ordered that all male children *ages three and under* be murdered: The Magi were asking him about a birth that had taken place months or years prior.
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JeffP, you have it ass-backwards with respect to Boebert’s district. It’s a comfortably GOP CD that Trump carried by 8.3% in 2020, and only Boebert’s incompetence turned it into a nail-biter in 2022. With Boebert now running in the safely GOP CO-04 (which Trump carried by over 18% in 2020), that means that a normal Republican will get the CO-03 nomination and win easily, instead of having to wait several days to see if Boebert can eke out a victory.
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I agree with Meldrim. The chances of the GOP retaining this seat actually improved, assuming the new nominee is not a deadender.
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Nikki “you have to feel my pain” Haley the Pander Queen.
Nikki Haley was asked by a voter in New Hampshire tonight about the cause of the Civil War. “I mean, I think the cause of the Civil War was basically how government was going to run. The freedoms and what people couldn’t do,” Haley answered.
Huh, no.
The Civil War happened because the South was not willing to give up slavery.
If you can’t say what the Civil War was about, you shouldn’t be President.
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Bitterlaw
December 28, 2023 at 9:48 am
So he is pandering to isolationist morons? Got it.”
Trump IS an isolationist.
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Damn. That would disqualify DW and the ghost of Wes.
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Good analysis of Nikki “you must feel my pain” Haley. Not fit for dogcatcher. But its not rare we get “such accidental insight” from her. We get it from her just about every time she opens her mouth.
Haley’s Sin Isn’t Racism — It’s Contempt
Jeffrey Blehar
But what insults about it is that — lost in rote accusations of “racism blah blah GOP base blah blah” — we will avoid discussion of Nikki Haley’s real sin: holding her voters either in such contempt, or fear, that she can’t confidently state a simple truth. The real gaffe Haley committed on Wednesday was that, when she froze up under an unpredicted question and defaulted to her factory settings in answering, those answers demonstrated such contempt for the intelligence of her voters. We can be told the Civil War was about slavery, Nikki — we’re all adults here. Few politicians look good when caught nakedly pandering in public, but Nikki Haley wears the look witheringly poorly — it knocks out one of the key underlying struts currently upholding her fragile public brand. That’s why this little gaffe, however minor, memorably reveals something about Haley; we rarely get such accidental insight into how little politicians think of their own voters.”
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So Bitter, for years you chastised Wes for not admitting the Civil War WAS about slavery.
What do you think of Nikki “you must feel my pain” Haley’s statement that the Civil War was about “how the government was going to run”.
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Bitter won’t vote for Trump or the Golden Calf in the primary because they have weak positions on Ukraine.
Let’s see if Bitter uses the same standard on someone who is weak on the Civil War.
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And btw I don’t accuse Nikki “you must feel my pain” Haley of racism, just pandering. You can believe the Civil War was just about “economics” or “how to run the government” and not be a racist. You are just wrong.
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Did I hear a splashing noise?
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/brutal-fourth-grader-roasts-calls-nikki-haley-her/
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Can’t wait to watch Trump win again so I can watch more meltdowns
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1 Free Pass, Bunu
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Nikita blames drat plant for civil war question.
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Maine sos nazi just took trump off the primary ballot.
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Maine SOS helping Trump by making him forbidden fruit.
–DW
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U.S. Civil War:
Paraphrasing what many say and actually believe:
“The cause of the Civil War was all about racism and slavery as to why the north and south went to war with each other.”
So, if that is TRUE,
–why did several states that allowed slavery fight on the side of the north?
–why did Lincoln not issue the emancipation proclamation to outlaw slavery at the beginning of the civil war instead of several years as the fighting commenced?
–why was WV allowed by the Lincoln government to become a state in 1863 and enter the union (North) when its new State constitution allowed slavery to continue in WV for some time
–why did the emancipation proclamation not free any slaves held in non confederate states?
–why did some free Blacks in the south fight in the confederate army
There were a number of economic issues that led to the civil war, slavery being one of them.
IMO (which can be supported by a wide number of factual documents) slavery was NOT THE cause of the civil war., was not THE cause. But the outcome of the civil war DEFINITELY did for a fact END SLAVERY IN AMERICA.
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Historically false simplistic statement is: The cause of the civil war was all about slavery. The north anti-slavery side won and then ended slavery in south and everywhere in the U.S.”
More historically accurate statement is: There were a number of causes of the civil war including what to do about the long simmering slavery issue. Other cultural and economic issues included the south developing mostly as an agricultural society and the north a more industrialized society and the southern folks being upset over disparities of U.S. laws and policy that seemed to favor the northern manufacturing states over the southern more agricultural states. These disparities included tariff policies between manufactured goods and agricultural goods and over the lack of federal government spending in the south on internal transportation improvements to connect the east with the expanding west as compared with amount spent by federal government on same in the north. Several years after the war began, Lincoln issued the emancipation proclamation which freed all the slaves in any southern confederate state where the northern army was in control. The Emanc. Procl., however, did NOT free a single slave in D.C. or any other of the slave states that were part of the union and not part of the confederacy. After the North won the civil war, amendments to the constitution were quickly passed to end slavery, make former slaves U.S. citizens and giving former slaves the right to vote.
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I find it amazing that many Northern and Southern soldiers and commanding officers often treated their adversaries with respect and compassion during the war itself, and within a few years they had put that war behind them and veterans from both sides would meet to commemorate various battles and interact amicably. Contrast that with the harsh divide of right and left today. Can you imagine the far left whackadoodles and far right whackadoodles in today’s cultural wars treating each other with dignity and respect and letting bygones be bygones? We can’t even accomplish that on HHR.
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They need to lock the Maine sos up
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She is a fascist.
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Fugly the fascist
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I don’t agree with Walt at all.
In my view, the Civil War WAS about slavery.
While true that the reason the south wanted to keep slavery was for economic reasons the basic reason the war happened was that the South did not want to give up slavery.
Everything else is smoke and mirrors to try to justify the unjustifiable.
All the reasons Walt gave to support his theory don’t support it at all, he is talking about political decisions that were made according to the situation at hand, nothing to do with the root cause of the war. Lincoln only signed the emancipation several years later because the political situation at the start of the war did not allow for it.
Everyone who thinks otherwise should go to the blackboard and write 1,000 times.
:”The cause of the US Civil War was slavery”
Period.
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Fourth grader did destroy Nikki “you have to feel my pain” Haley. Hilarious.
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The thread is getting a little long but there is a lively debate going. New thread will go up tomorrow morning while I am waiting for the 6:58 train. GFY
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Nazi sos from Maine just “suspended” her ruling.
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They need to drug test the fascist fugly.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/course-maine-secretary-state-barring-trump-2024-ballot
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Wes used to say that when somebody made comparisons to Nazis they undercut their argument.
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I don’t sugarcoat.
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And you show a complete ignorance of history and dishonor millions who died because of Nazism. Quite an accomplishment.
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