https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a01QQZyl-_Ihttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a01QQZyl-_IFirst post of August 2023! Get excited! The charges against Trump…
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300 responses to “First post of August 2023! Get excited! The charges against Trump…”
2024 National GE:
DeSantis 51% (+3)
Biden 48%
Biden 50%
Trump 50%
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788 RV, 7/7-12
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I apologize for the mess of the post. My question was whether the bs indictments of Trump will make anybody not already committed to Trump more or less likely to vote for him. I am skeptical that it helps him.
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“NEW — Mollie Hemingway and Miranda Devine discuss Devon Archer confirming President Joe Biden participated in over twenty calls about his son’s foreign business dealings.
“We have Devon Archer saying that Burisma executives asked Hunter Biden to help them get the prosecutor who was going after them fired.
We know that five days later, Joe Biden was speaking in front of the Ukrainian parliament, laying the groundwork to get this guy fired.
And then as you showed, he bragged about getting it done within just a few short months.’
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Frankly, Trump and Biden may well become cellmates in the future. Well maybe not, but one can hope.
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Guess I was not first after all…still getting used to the new posting
With regards to the post, I think its going to depend on the way he can spin it. If he can truly come across as a martyr it may help him with those undecided.
Additionally, if the feds continue to overreach – I think most people realize the documents thing is wtichhunt, then that may also sway some undecided voters.
The real questions is, in this environment, with the 100% name recognition of both candidates (biden and Trump), is there really anyone undecided??
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So, SDC you seem to be coupling Trump’s political indictments with Biden’s yeas of selling out this country for money! That seems like the attitude of an ingrate, dismissing the positive policies of a past president, so you can stick it to him when you favor someone else.
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The docu hoax and indicting on peacefully protesting erection from 2.5 years ago are jokes.
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I think Trumps viability is based on two factors. 1. The amount of voters who think he can beat EVERY indictment the corrupt system throws his way. Which doesn’t include me. 2. His ability to raise campaign money versus having money for all his legal bills. Question is how will big donors respond in their giving in light of potential legal hurdles Which is one reason they want RDS out of the race. I don’t think raising campaign funds bodes well for Trump either.
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I am skeptical as well. A lot of Trump drama fatigue in the GOP. I think his poll numbers are soft.
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When the January 6th indictments come out soon it will be very telling how mainline solid conservatives in the House and Senate respond.
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https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2023/07/31/poll-trump-leads-joe-biden-three-points-nationwide-six-points-swing-states/
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Welcome, Vic. Glad you made it to the lifeboat.
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Trump’s donor base are small donors, unlike RDS who depends on billionaires to financially fill his campaign coffers. I also think those small donors see most of the indictments thrown at him as malicious and politically derived. Consequently I doubt many are upset if their monies are applied to defending him and others from what amounts to deep state abuse. Trump is also picking up some of the legal fees of J6 prisoners, as well as a few caught up in the web of unjust claims the DOJ is attempting to encircle him and staffers with.
For those hoping these indictments are successful in eliminating Trump’s candidacy, you are also flirting with a precedent-setting avenue, that can used over and over again, to get rid of political opponents (R or D) a group doesn’t approve of or like. In essence you’re rooting for the collapse of any integrity our election process may have by coalescing around an unscrupulous process to manipulate who wins or not.
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unlike RDS who depends on billionaires to financially fill his campaign coffers.
I want to modify that sentence:
‘unlike RDS who depends on billionaires to both appease and financially fill his campaign coffers…”
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The public is already seeing the J6 event as a set-up. More protest film, Capitol police lies and obfuscations, and other details being released are only increasing the number who see the treatment of the J6 defendants, the refusal of bail and speedy trials, as being a Frankenstein abuse of our justice system. Solid conservatives who want to continue the travesty behind this choreographed event will not be treated well in their re-election bids.
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Trump is frantically calling large donors he lost from 2022 begging for money. Sources say he apparently has been brought to tears.
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I think you will be surprised.
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Not good…
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Deep State? Zzzzzzzzzzzz. If it was supposed to be a secret all-powerful conspiracy, its members suck at it.
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I didn’t listen to DeSantis’s NH economic speech. But, those who did seem to fall into predictable political camps – you probably thought the speech was great if you support him, and were unimpressed if you don’t. Reading the speech, however, in a monotone voice he is known for, didn’t help move the dial much in DeSantis’s direction.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/08/01/desantis-economic-policy-looks-like-typical-gope-think-tank-work-product-of-mindless-platitudes/
DeSantis describes what is referenced by each of his ten points, he does not outline the specific action that takes place within them. That’s how you can tell when a think-tank puts meaningless platitudes into a format for a candidate to speak. In this instance the think tank is the stunningly typical Club for Growth, U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the multinationals who are funding the DeSantis campaign operation.
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Bitter – Glad to have made it in. took awhile to figure out how to get onboard though!!!
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I hate that term too…Administrative State is the proper term.
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This supports my belief Trumps support is soft.
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This demonstrates how UNconservative MAGA become….
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Welcome!
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Jan – Why are you more worried about billionaires donating to DeSantis than about how Trump became a billionaire? I doubt there are any clean hands in real estate development – especially in New York City. Trump has a record as President. DeSantis has a record as Governor. Evaluate that. Your fear of the spooky DeSantis-supporting billionaires earns another Zzzzzzzzz.
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After watching the Bret Baier interview last night…DeSantis is absolutely going to crush Trump on the debate stage. It will be merciless.
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Looks like we find out tonight.
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RFK, Jr. is a loon. If he was Trump’s VP, it would be difficult for me to cast my vote that ticket. However, Biden would still need to be stopped so it might be necessary
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Trump was indicted for the third time. This time for his efforts to overturn the election he lost (yes, he lost Jason fraud).
Unfortunately, for conman Donnie Trump, he did not get someone like Judge Cannon. He got an Obama appointee, a black woman, who has routinely sentenced January 6th criminal to long prison terms.
Don’t drop the soap in the prison shower, Donnie!
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Seung Min Kim
@seungminkim
WASHINGTON (AP) — Indictment: Trump told Pence ‘you’re too honest’ when VP objected to blocking Biden win.
– Jason fraud wants people who aren’t honest. That’s why he loves Trump.
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Zzzzzzz….. Amoral Scumbag and the Biden DOJ see things the same way.
What a surprise.
In the real world, these bogus indictments have ZERO impact on Trump’s nomination chances, also no surprise.
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7053/Who-will-win-the-2024-Republican-presidential-nomination
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Citadel’s CEO Ken Griffin in one of the major donors to DeSantis. He’s been quoted as wanting closer ties to China. Fundraising events have been handled by a guy who has business connections with China. How can a president deal effectively with China when his campaign organization has so many affiliations with China?
Establishment republicans (Karl Rove, Paul Ryan, the Bushes etc.) that have been recycled through prior administrations, with policies aimed at off-shoring jobs, multinational corporate affinities, are backing DeSantis. These republicans are not only anti-Trump, but they are also anti the populous movement. Supposedly there is an anti-Trump PAC that already has $200 million dollars and growing collected to defeat Trump.
The more piling on being done by people in power, who don’t want any changes being made by an outsider like Trump, or the millions of working classes he represents, is a red flag for me, indicating the man they are throwing money at will be more beholding to them than “us.” For me Trump is a known entity in who and how he would deal with this country’s major issues, both domestically and abroad. DeSantis not so much…..
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When you have no higher concept of justice, the law simply becomes a tool to wield against your enemies
This is how you get a Jack Smith
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I’ve now read the new Indictment twice. It is criminalizing speech, thought, legal (right or wrong) positions, and disinformation. It also is shockingly manipulative of statutes and theories which require enormous legal wrangling.
Looking at the judge presiding over this case, this is where Trump could be slammed with pre trial detention, just like many of the incarcerated J6 prisoners have been. We are no longer a free thinking, free country anymore.
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RDS is going to run on the DOJ corruption. However the economy will be the number uno issue.
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Don’t freak out on me. I am NOT on the corrupt Woke Commie Dem side. With Mark Meadows not being a co conspirator listed in the indictment the rumors he was used as a state witness look like a possibility. Not to mention Marc Short.
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Not a strong response from Mac here.
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Mike Lee response
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Josh Hawley response.
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Steve Scalise
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Eric Schmidt, Ted Cruz, Ron Johnson…even Lindsay Graham crickets.
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Elise Stefanik had by far the strongest statement of support for Trump
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Read indictments. The faux elector plot looks potentially to be the meat of this case. Giuliani, Powell, Eastman, Clark, Chesebro, unknown person, co conspirators. My guess … Pence knows something since he wouldn’t participate. All the other BS charges are first amendment protected. Fulton County case will be piling on.
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Unless the evidence and testimony is compelling I can see how Trump wins this on appeal.
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The DC jury pool is the biggest obstacle.
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Oh Wow… https://twitter.com/mike_pence/status/1686529371685658625?s=61&t=uLyKpWBwDwyCK292uUHCSA
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What are the odds
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Will the GOP impeach Garland? Biden?
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Just read an article on the DC judge assigned to Trump’s case.
He’s toast.
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Andy McCarthy thinks the case is a big stretch.
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Current Trump campaign adviser Jason Millers January 6th testimony being used against Trump. That’s crazy.
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But the Putin appeasers claimed once Putin got Ukraine, he wouldn’t want to take over other European countries?
“THREAD Russia’s dictator Vladimir Putin threatens sovereignty of Poland, questioning Poland’s borders and calling the current shape of Poland “a Stalin’s gift to (ungrateful) Poles”. Why it is extremely important, how it repeats Putin’s Ukraine politics, and what does it mean”
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Nope we said Demented Joe shouldnt have a military.
It’s terrifying got everyone on Earth w him in charge.
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Putin’s troll Bunu is lying through his/her/bot teeth. Here is the fact check on Romney. There are fact checks on the others as well. It is total nonsense:
“MITT ROMNEY’S SONS
Republican Senator Mitt Romney has five sons: Tagg, Matt, Josh, Ben and Craig Romney (here).
“Tagg is the co-founder of Solamere Capital, a Boston-based private equity investment firm where he serves as managing partner (here). Matt is a managing director at a Salt Lake City real estate firm called Sundance Bay (here). Josh is the president and founder of the Romney group, a real estate investment company in Salt Lake City ( here , here ). Ben is a radiologist in Murray, Utah (here). Craig is the director of asset management for Sundance Bay (here).
Reuters could not find an explanation for posts linking any of Romney’s sons to an energy company doing business in Ukraine.
When reached for comment, Arielle Mueller, press secretary for Senator Romney, told Reuters via email: “We don’t comment on fake news from random internet trolls.””
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Busy day for Walt.
He helped set up and cook on the grill, and clean up for another of his wife’s soirees she threw for her girl pals.
Later this afternoon he took a nap.
Then had to find and type up minutes for an organization he belongs to (Walt is the Secretary).
Plus, he has been thinking all day about what race and gender he wants to declare himself to be.
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“Donald Trump’s political action committee, which began last year with $105 million, now has less than $4 million left in its account after paying tens of millions of dollars in legal fees for Trump and his associates. nyti.ms/45aGJ44”
Trump can raise more money; what is important is Trump’s poll numbers remain firm. Rather than persecuting Trump, maybe a better strategy would have been ignoring Trump and letting him become old news. It doesn’t help that Hunter Biden is putting on a competing clown show, and people watch Joe Biden’s news conferences to see if he will walk into a wall.
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I find the discussion here somewhat entertaining about those hard-core Trump supporters and those who want someone else to lead the R ticket (I am obviously in the latter group).
To the members of the “Trump is and will always be my guy” group, what is your #1 goal?
A. get Trump nominated at the R candidate for POTUS.
B. defeat Biden and remove him from the White House.
If you chose A, you will not get B.
The Ds have successfully used Trump as a foil to win in 2018, 2020 and 2022.
Trump has NO SHOT at winning in 2024.
Trump winning the nomination is what Ds are working FOR and HOPING FOR!
N.O.B.O.D.Y. IN POLITICS IN U.S. TODAY IS MORE HATED AND DESPISED THAN TRUMP.
TOO. MANY. NEGATIVES.
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True, Trump was impeached twice (but not found guilty of impeachable offenses) for political reasons only.
Trump has HUGE negatives among a majority of voters.
Trump defeated Hillary in 2016 because HILLARY WAS EVEN MORE DESPISED THAN TRUMP was at the time–AND HE EEKED OUT A NARROW WIN. And she was a horrible candidate and ran a stupid campaign. After 4 years in office and 2 years after that, TRUMP has managed to DRIVE MORE VOTES INTO THE GROUP WHO DETEST HIM–including a larger number of people in the R party. (No, it is not due ONLY to the MSM being so anti Trump).
–He is juvenile, a bully, petty, foul mouthed, has no self-discipline, is a horrible speaker who cannot articulate his positions as well as the average 7th grader.
–He has a horrible record as a husband, businessman, person (spare me the “but he is a true conservative” nonsense)
–He needlessly tosses hand grenades at fellow Rs and labels all who don’t follow his orders as traitors, etc. and goes out of his way to smear them.
–He is an unscrupulous huckster.
–He did not know as president–and STILL does not know–what it takes to be successful in Washington, D.C. He has never possessed those personal qualities.
–He is hog tied into NUMEROUS legal battles and court cases (true, some are fanned up political charges, but others are not).
He does not have the qualities necessary to be a successful president.
MANY other R candidates for president support the same things that Trump supports, but NONE HAVE THE NEGATIVE NUMBERS nor the negative personal attributes to the extent that Trump has.
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Yet, the “We want Trump” crowd stays firmly in his camp and would rather lose in Nov. 2024 with Trump than possible win with some other R candidate without the Trump baggage and persona and personal animas Trump always exhibits.
I would rather support someone who:
A. can win. (that means beat Biden/Harris/whoever).
B. be an effective leader who can accomplish the necessary task of implementing sound policies.
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I say nominate someone else.
Let the MSM and the Ds keep piling on Trump,
while the R candidate goes out and focuses on the current issues and his/her vision for the country.
But the Trump crowd seems hell bent to ride the dead horse.
And I know nothing I say will cause any hard-core Trump supporters at HHR to abandon him.
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Powerful
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If they steal another election from Trump, we really need to do away w USA altogether.
No one wants demented Joe in charge of the most powerful military in the world.
Everyone is in danger w him in the WH.
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“The Ds have successfully used Trump as a foil to win in 2018, 2020 and 2022.”
Totally agree. I have seen it in all those elections. Democrats are motivated to turn out because of their dislike of Trump. He is like a lightening rod. Worse he is now beginning to act erratically. Many of his “tweets” are over the top, like when he wanted to suspend the Constitution so he could be named “El Presidente”.
Republicans desperately need a new, younger leader for to the party, who would contrast with old, confused Biden. I bet Biden doesn’t even remember where his share of Hunter’s influence peddling money is located.
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“Russia: Another military conscription office set on fire in Saint Petersburg. Police manhunt in progress for the woman. This is either the 12th or the 13th documented case of attacks on conscription offices in the past 48 hours in Russia. Hard to keep track at this point.”
Get General Flynn to investigate. Putin is paying him a lot of money. So he needs to earn his keep.
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DeSantis is starting to hit back at Trump.
He is criticizing how Trump used to swoon over Fauci, and also praise DeSantis. In looking back, the Trump/Fauci television act got pretty tiring, as did Trump’s defense of China. From Fox News:
“Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is denouncing his 2024 presidential rival, former President Donald Trump, for failing to “control” Dr. Anthony Fauci.
During a Fox News interview on Monday, DeSantis snapped back at Trump after being shown a clip of the ex-president saying that “other governors did a better job than Ron DeSanctimonious” at the height of the COVID-19 pandemic. DeSantis also promised that he would be bringing “a reckoning to the medical swamp” in Washington, D.C., if elected in 2024.
DeSantis told anchor Bret Baier that Trump should have fired Fauci, at the time the country’s top infectious-disease expert and key member of the former president’s White House Coronavirus Task Force, but instead elevated him to the level of an “international celebrity.” The governor maintained that Fauci “ran” Trump’s administration during its final year in the White House in Washington, D.C., on April 28, 2020.
DeSantis, Trump’s 2024 presidential election rival, blasted the former president on Monday for failing to “control” Dr. Anthony Fauci:
“[Trump] didn’t have control over his own government,” said DeSantis. “He didn’t have control over Fauci. Fauci ran that government his last year in office. Trump should have fired him, he did not do that. He elevated Fauci and he made Fauci an international celebrity … I fought back against it.”
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DeSantis on Monday said that Trump had previously offered repeated praise for him and Florida, and that the ex-president only “flip-flopped” on him when it became clear that he was a “threat” to his hopes of regaining the presidency in 2024.
“Let’s just be clear: You go back a year or two, he would say what a great job I’ve done in Florida,” DeSantis said. “How I’m one of the country’s great governors, how Florida is such a great state. He always said that, for years and years.
“Until about three days before the midterm election,” he continued. “Then he started to attack me. And I think it’s because he saw that we were going to win a big victory. And I think he viewed me as a political threat. So, now he’s flip-flopped on all that.””
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Van Jones on CNN 2020 explaining how Trump could challenge the election with his own electors
The left has more scams than usual going on.
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Trump was in over his head and it showed itself over and over throughout his whole term. Covid and the Floyd riots were the most obvious.
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Controlled opposition.
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The Race riots are scheduled programming. They time one for every 4 years.
Not saying the cop wasn’t in the wrong, but I have no doubt there have been all kinds of similar cases over the past 4 years and it’s simply ignored.
Once there is a republican running for office, the media will change the narrative back to race riots.
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Newsweek/University of Maryland poll:
69% of Americans favor very continued military aid to Ukraine; including
55% of Republicans
58% of Independents
87% of Democrats
Similar to recent polls over last several months. Americans continue to strongly favor providing military aid to Ukraine.
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Trump did legally challenge the election in multiple jurisdictions. He lost every case. Even the judges he appointed all ruled against him. And why did he lose every case? Because the cases had no merit.
Yet here we are, almost four years later and Trump is still demanding the Constitution be set aside and he be appointed El Presidente.
It is time to move on. I don’t see a reason why politicians approaching 80, who at times act bonkers, should be setting the agenda for the future. It’s time to end the age of the dinosaurs for both parties.
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I can see moving on if Ron Paul were running, but in this race Trump is simply the best candidate we have by a landslide.
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Joe Rogan knows
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Never offend the climate cult:
“The International Monetary Fund canceled a talk with physicist John Clauser after he said, “Climate change is not a crisis.”
The IMF had invited Clauser, the recipient of a Nobel Prize in Physics, to deliver a Webex speech on July 25. Five days before the event, Clauser was informed his speech had been “postponed.” The lecture has yet to be rescheduled.
According to the educational climate organization CO2 Coalition, where Clauser serves on the board, Pablo Moreno, director of the IMF’s Independent Evaluation Office, read the flyer for Clauser’s lecture and “immediately canceled,” or technically “postponed,” the event. “
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Jonathan Turley
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Special Counsel Jack Smith just issued the first criminal indictment of alleged disinformation in my view. If you take a red pen to all of the material presumptively protected by the First Amendment, you can reduce much of the indictment to haiku.
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“69% of Americans favor very continued military aid to Ukraine; including
55% of Republicans
58% of Independents
87% of Democrats”
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SDC,
But if you change the question to:
“Do you support U.S. taxpayer spending adequately funding the military to ensure that the U.S. military is best equipped to handle current and future challenges” you probably get:
90% of Republicans
30% of Independents
10% of Democrats.
Odd , ain’t it.
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Agree. Definitely First Amendment and other Constitutional issues. Unfortunately the worst judge, which may result in lengthy appeals.
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OJ is still looking for the real killer. Ron Paul is still searching for a delegate to the GOP Convention. Both can be true.
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DC jury pool and judge is a nightmare.
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Maybe a trade could be arranged to transfer all of Trump’s Federal cases to a Judge in Alabama and Hunter Biden’s case to a Judge sitting in the White House.
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Good take by the Golden Calf. Much better than Pence who decided he is now the anti-Trump, basically kissing off any remote chance he ever had.
“You are asking me about the previous President and his legal problems. I’ve read the indictment and I think, frankly, it’s pretty weak. But I’m not here to talk about the previous President. I’m running because the current President has directly contributed to a major economic crisis in this country, ignored the absolute chaos at our open southern border, and done nothing about the rise of crime and the flood of fentanyl onto our streets. I’m running because I want our country to have a better future, not to re-litigate the past.”
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RDS is great at responding and answering questions 99% of the time.
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The 1st amendment and legal advice stuff is ridiculously weak. The case being made for the faux electors plan is much weaker than I thought it might end up being. Unless there is some evidence or witness testimony that is not public yet. Mark Meadows is the one I am wondering about flipping in some way. I think Pence is a willing participant to take out Trump using January 6th. He might even be a DOJ witness.
The crazy part in the indictment is that Trumps current advisor Jason Miller was in the Oval Office and testified Trump was told the election wasn’t stolen etc… and they pushed the Stop the Steal fundraising hard for weeks anyway.
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Special Counsel Jack Smith’s indictment has revealed that @Mike_Pence took secret notes of conversations with @realDonaldTrump before the Jan. 6 Capitol protests. These previously unreported notes are now presented as evidence in the four federal charges against Trump, including conspiracy to defraud the U.S. and obstruction of an official proceeding.
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Jonathan Turley
@JonathanTurley
Prior polls showed that roughly half of the public thought that the charges against Trump were politically motivated. https://jonathanturley.org/2023/06/13/doj-fatigue-is-special-counsel-smith-singing-to-an-empty-room-2/ This indictment will only magnify that view. Indeed, Smith sounded more like a pundit than a prosecutor in announcing this indictment.
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Wow!
3 fake indictments and this is all the NYT fake poll could come up with?
“More Republicans in a new poll released Tuesday said former President Trump has committed “serious” federal crimes, as he faces down another potential indictment in the Justice Department’s Jan. 6 probe.
The New York Times/Siena College poll found that 13 percent of Republicans said they believe the former president has committed serious crimes, up from 6 percent last September. “
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Stoner looked very weak and nervous. Yesterday. Pretty much timed to get the Biden corruption/fib coverup off the news
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Mike Davis: “This is clearly Democrat lawfare against President Trump to take him out as a presidential candidate because they fear they can’t beat him in November 2024.”
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https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/07/31/desantis-pac-spent-near-50-of-donor-cash-through-rino-strategist-jeff-roes-firms/
Ron DeSantis’s ‘Never Trump’ chief strategist, Jeff Roe, saw nearly 50 percent of the Florida Governor’s Never Back Down PAC cash flow through his companies, several of which are currently subject to law suits related to a botched ballot initiative in Nevada. Per campaign finance filings, Roe and his company Axiom – which features a litany of establishment/RINO consultants on payroll – handled $16.4 million of more than $40 million spent in just two months’ campaigning. The figure includes a whopping $14.8 million of media buys, for which “an Axiom subsidiary took a commission of 1.75 percent for the media placement, or about $259,000,” according to the Washington Post. Blitz Canvassing, a vendor owned by GP3 – a Soros and Paul Ryan-linked firm first exposed by The National Pulse – was paid $1.2 million over the same period. GP3 also owns pollster ‘POS Strategies’, which has consistently published ludicrous outlier polling attempting to aid DeSantis. POS does not share its raw data, like reputable pollsters. The DeSantis campaign also spent near $1.5 million on travel expenses and private jets over just six weeks, accounting for nearly 20 percent of its total spending, with the Governor apparently refusing to fly commercial for fear of being around members of the public. Filings are also set to reveal $5.5 million in dark money donations from a group known only as Faithful & Strong Policies Inc, which was founded in Florida last year. Faithful & Strong Policies has a generic, default website, though National Pulse research reveals the company’s listed officer as Scott Wagner – a Florida lawyer handed a cushy government role by Governor DeSantis in 2019, and who chaired his “transition team” in 2022. The dark money group’s name change filings also list Jessica Brouckaert, a political lawyer who worked for Mitt Romney and Jeb Bush. Brouckaert is married to Brian Bartlett, also a Romney alumnus, who now works at establishment public relations and lobbying firm Kekst.
RINOs have long been dissed as diluting the efforts of conservative policy-making. It’s often their votes, when added to dem votes, that have seen extravagant budgets passed and other legislation contrary to the principles conservatives campaign on. My strongest objection to DeSantis has been focused on the people funding and supporting his run for POTUS. While RDS’s words sound rooted in policies Trump activated, as well as how he performed as Florida’s governor, he seems to be more a conservative cardboard cutout rather than an enduring real deal.
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Zzzzzzzzzzzz Trump is heading back to his leftist roots but Jan is worried about DeSantis not being conservative enough.
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Jan is worried about who is donating to DeSantis but has given Trump a free pass since he came down the escalator for all the leftists who received his campaign donations for decades.
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Bitter, I’m not interested who Trump, DeSantis or anyone else received donations from or donated to before they became a candidate for the presidency. What is relevant to today’s political issues is who is funding their candidacy or presidency in the present! If you are ok with RINOs being a large part of a person’s organization then that is on you, and I know more where you are coming from.
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The plan is to keep the legal heat on Trump throughout the rest of the year and through the primaries. Expect the Fulton County indictment to drop sometime early fall. That will be four prosecutions Trump will need to defend himself on costing him tens of millions. It will also propel Trump to the Republican nomination at the same time it weakens him for the GE. The perfect Democratic Party storm and the party of stupid will do their thing and go along.
Republican primary voters will of course cooperate fully nominating Trump and then a weakened and cash strapped Trump will lose the GE. Thelma and Louise right off the cliff. Just like the left has planned it.
I have sent a contribution to DeSantis. Trump won’t get any of my money as I don’t have any desire to pay Trump’s legal fees. He won’t get my primary vote either. If Republicans want to commit suicide then there isn’t a thing i can do about it. I just don’t intend to join in.
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DeSantis isn’t a RINO.
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The Trump team has resorted to leftist tactics. They all thought RDS was the best Governor ever until Trump told them he wasn’t. 😂
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1. select Trump as the GOP POTUS candidate.
2. get Biden/Harris/whoever far left kook elected to another 4 year term.
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Earlier there were high numbers for Americans continuing to support military support for Ukraine. However, prior wars had similar popular support initially, until it went south.
Vietnam showed a 64% of Americans in favor of the war in 1965. Four years later this number dropped where 52% saw the engagement as a mistake.
In 2003 71% favored the Iraq War. One year later (2004) this number dwindled to 55%. Then in 2005 pro and con were evenly split to 47% for and 47% against the war. By the time Iraq was sufficiently in the rear view mirror, 2019, these numbers changed again.
62% of adults and 64% of vets felt the war was not worth fighting.
It seems it takes a few years to process the positive and negative effects of a war, after which regret tends to set in.
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How many Americans are dying in Ukraine?
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How does one rationalize a candidate, surrounding himself with the same set of political players that were earlier labeled establishment RINOs, and yet say the candidate is not a RINO. It’s like that adage, when dogs lay down with fleas they get fleas.”
Regarding presidential donations, I don’s give money to PACs or political parties. My donations are given to individual candidates who I find promising. I’ve also donated only once to Trump in 2016. After that I stuck to individually selected candidates, mainly running for Congress, to give money to.
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Fitch downgrades Us debt.
Nothing to see here.
More $$$ to the grifter
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If American foreign fighters or ones sent over to assist or train Ukrainians suffered any deaths, it would never be reported. War news is censored and distorted much like COVID stats, deaths, hospitalizations and vaccine harms. My husband and godson saw this personally during their experiences in the military. However, should this war escalate where young Americans were coming home in flag-draped boxes or body bags, sentiments would drastically be altered.
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janzam, the amount of California marijuana you are consuming must be absolutely staggering.
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Just as an after thought – our extended and major proxy involvement in the Russia/Ukraine war is putting the world on tender-hooks for what will happen. The aspect of WW3 has been floating around all year. Like other conflicts in the past, all it would take is for one unexpected mishap to occur, acting as an accelerant, to throw us into a WW3 situation. But, most don’t think through how complicated a conflict can get if it’s not resolved in the early stages. BTW, how many of you have been in the military, experienced war personally, or dealt with human casualties?
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You are suggesting that the U.S. government has been sending troops to Ukraine, where they are suffering casualties, but a conspiracy is underway to keep this from the American people.
Is that what you are suggesting?
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Trump and his supporters have redefined the term RINO into anyone that doesn’t support Trump. As someone who has deprogrammed many people for years who have left cults, the occult and spiritually abusive churches I know the tactics used by the “charismatic” leader. This is just one of them.
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I am worried about this for sure. It’s a nightmare scenario. The Senate is very winnable too.
I am thinking Trumps solid support is 30-35 % by January. At least that’s my hope. I see most moderates, conservative leaders and Governors rallying around RDS eventually as panic sets in and the field narrows.
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Neither Donald Trump nor Ron DeSantis can win a general election, despite the cult-like mentality of people supporting either one thinking that it is still possible. Both are too toxic and that cannot be remedied. It is also highly unlikely that DeSantis will be nominated, but that is not the main point.
Republicans need to either nominate somebody else or face the consequences of a liberal in office for four more years and probably taking both the House and Senate along because of the drag at the top of the Republican ticket.
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Jan is pro-Putin winning but anti-war. Both can’t be true.
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Repubs did that.
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Republicans cause a Fitch downgrade. FU.
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I think Pence still has a shot.
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No.
If American foreign fighters or ones sent over to assist or train Ukrainians suffered any deaths, it would never be reported.
The fog of war is frequently used muting the realty of what is really going on by obscuring true facts. Who’s winning who is losing, death tolls, collateral damage incurred, is often dependent on the narrative being pushed by one side, not necessarily a wholistic, accurate picture of events or circumstances currently taking place. I also did not suggest “conspiracies” were afoot, as this automatically degrades a person’s comments into a fool’s-gold category ready to be summarily dismissed. Although, Biden did recently authorize 3000 reserve troops to Europe which got little print in the legacy news.
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Jan is anti Putin, anti Zelensky, anti Biden, and anti war. All four can be true.
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You were speaking of polling data and made an historical comparison to U.S. military involvement in Vietnam and Iraq, where U.S. troops had been actively deployed.
That is not at all the case with Ukraine, so the comparison you are making in regards to polling data is ludicrous.
Why do you so frequently make such outlandish claims online, and when you cannot back them up, revert to goofy word salads that go far astray from what you were previously alleging. Are you actually Kamala Harris pretending to be a Republican in order to make them look bad?
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jan is anti-reality and anti-logic
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Anyone who can attempt to claim that they are both anti-Putin and ant-Zelensky is the same sort of person who might claim to be both pro-Israel and pro-Hamas.
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This is the crap Trumps people feed on. Total misrepresentation. No other sitting President asked their VP to unconstitutionally reject legal certified electors but Trump.
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I wouldn’t bet on it. The Republican voter isn’t strategic like Democratic voters. Democrats like winning. Mostly, Republicans never think past the primary. Incredibly stupid. It’s why the midterm red wave was a dud….and why they are probably looking at a continuing Democratic majority in the Senate, losing the Republican House and four more years of leftist WH dictatorship. Look for Democrats not to let their party control of all three branches go to waste this next time. They’ll end the filibuster, pack the Supreme Court, make DC a state providing two more Democratic Senators, eliminate voter ID, and generally create one party rule…forever.
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LMAO
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They will also arrest and imprison DW on a live MSNBC Special.
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Comparing the similarity of early support for the Iraq and Viet Nam wars to the support now shown Ukraine was just that, and how the Iraq/Viet Nam war support diminished over time. IMO, support for Ukraine will follow suite. These are not outlandish claims, just historical trends which I think will be repeated. You’re trying to stay relevant in this conversation by disputing a viable comparison, and then leaving a little slime behind you. Sad….
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Here are the facts jan:
The U.S. was engaged in a war in Vietnam
The U.S. was engaged in a war in Iraq
Whether those military actions were justified or not is not the point of the discussion. We ought to be governed by national security concerns and not public opinion polls, but again that is not the point.
The U.S. is not engaged in a war in Ukraine.
That is the big difference that you seem unable to grasp. Thus, the comparison to “polls” makes no sense whatsoever.
The U.S. does support the sovereign nation of Ukraine via economic and military measures because Ukraine is in a battle for its own survival with terrorists just as the U.S. supports the sovereign nation of Israel via the same means and for the same reasons.
The American people clearly support the U.S. aiding Ukraine and Israel for similar reasons. Neither are in anyway comparable to U.S. involvement fighting in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, WWII, WWI, the War of 1812, or anything else.
Please seek out a certified drug counselor.
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And they did have an opportunity to object on Jan. 6. and they did so. An objection from a Senator and Rep over Arizona’s electors was expressed. Then the Senate and House went into separate sessions and discussed and voted. The objection failed. The same happened for Pennsylvania. They couldn’t get a Senator to join in the objections of Georgia, Michigan and Nevada. That’s the only legal process.
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The Trump Team went to court in many state courts and federal courts up to the SCOTUS to litigate the election. They lost each and every time, even, when as pointed out, the judges were put in place by Trump.
The Trump legal team frequently made comments online and via the media alleging fraud and and specific acts of fraud, but that was just to grift the public and fool the unwitting. They knew they could not actually make those allegations in a court of law.
Anybody who truly believes that the 2020 was actually stolen or decided by fraud is living in an alternate universe. Whether you think Biden deserved to win or not, he did win. Then, after that, Trump, did what he had been planning to do, even before the election, cried fraud (which would been legal if he just kept it to that) and then illegally took steps to try to steal the 2020 election for himself.
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It was constitutionally correct to honor the requests of state legislators to have a further review of their elections, by sending it back to the states before certification took place. No one was asking Pence to overthrow or dismiss the election, but instead to have a closer look at the numerous irregularities that even Pence admitted happened, an acknowledgement submitted by him in an earlier letter. There were certain governors, though, who would not allow legislators even to meet in an open session to work out these problems. I think Georgia, MI, PA, WI comprised some of the affected states.
JeffP, there were and still are tens of millions of people who see the 2020 election as fraudulent. Ironically, Mark Fisher, the Executive Director of Black Lives Matter just came out and sided with claims of government tyranny and legislative abuse going on resulting in targeting political prisoners, patriots, and conservative Americans for standing for what they believe in. “Just because something is legal doesn’t make it right. Just because something is legal doesn’t make it moral.”. This is the same philosophy espoused by the great political ethicist Mahatma Gandhi.
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JeffP, how much would you charge janzam an hour to attempt to de-cult herself?
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While it’s obvious the dems stole the election, I don’t necessary consider it a bad thing that Trump “lost” in 2020 because if he hadnt then 2022 probably would have been another 2006 for the GOP and Trump would have been blamed for the inflation issues.
As it stands we have demented Joe in the WH one of the weakest democrats of all time and a great comeback story for Trump’s second term. And on top of that we get to see Trump beat on the RINOs in another primary.
Hopefully the never Trumpers will be destroyed completely.
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Your probably right. I think the only way RDS can win he wins Iowa Trump gets the Bernie Sanders treatment before Super Tuesday…wishful thinking. If Trump losses the nomination some how he will probably run anyway. So same nightmare result.
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Hunter-Joe access for sale got US stealth technology for chinese firm.
https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2023/08/02/blacklisted-chinese-military-manufacturer-acquired-u-s-stealth-technology-cfius-approval-through-relationship-with-hunter-and-joe-biden-n786239
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Because I am sympathetic to her…she can name her price per hour a week for a few years. Unfortunately I have seen some people destroy their whole life and never fully recover.
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You know in the real world that either Russia or Ukraine wins the war, right? Negotiated settlement is a victory for Putin.
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I have asked you multiple times to show me where in the Constitution it allows this. You can’t. What about the Electoral Count Act?
“It was constitutionally correct to honor the requests of state legislators to have a further review of their elections, by sending it back to the states before certification took place.”:
Do you not understand Federalism? You have been lied too by Eastman’s crap theory.
“ There were certain governors, though, who would not allow legislators even to meet in an open session to work out these problems.”
There were all sorts of hearings. You realize there are election laws governors had to follow. Another BS claim.
“JeffP, there were and still are tens of millions of people who see the 2020 election as fraudulent.”
Go watch the January 6th depositions. Trump was being told by his own election staff he truly lost. By multiple people on multiple occasions.
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See Paul’s post. That’s the only option.
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It is a point of order… and not binding.
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So do I believe there was fraud YES. Enough to change the results MAYBE. But not even close to what was being portrayed by Trumps grifters you religiously follow. There was a great opportunity to ballot harvest like no one’s business and the Dems changed laws to do it with no restraint. That was the biggest factor.
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There are hundreds, and maybe over a thousand, American volunteers who are fighting in the Ukraine. Some have died, and it has been reported. A close friend of mine is over there now.
It is estimated there are 10,000 to 20,000 foreigners in Ukraine fighting for Ukraine. The largest group are Russians; there are also Belarus and Chechens contingents. A surprising large number from Brazil and Latin America. But there are volunteers from everywhere. New Zealand has some, and believe a couple from there have died.
This is a very difficult war zone, with large mine fields and constant artillery use. Finally, the training of F-16 pilots for Ukraine has begun.
What has been impressive in recent U.S. polling is support for providing military aid to Ukraine has actually grown over the last several months.
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Putin’s war crimes have really pissed Americans off:
“U.S. Troops Should be Sent to Ukraine, Third of Americans Say
A total of 31 percent of eligible voters in the U.S. support or strongly support American military forces heading to the battlefields of Ukraine, polling conducted exclusively for Newsweek by Redfield & Wilton Strategies has revealed.
A quarter of respondents neither supported nor opposed the idea of sending U.S. soldiers to Ukraine, with 34 percent against the suggestion. Just under one in ten respondents did not know.”
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John Eastman, who is one of the co-conspirators indicted along with Trump, is one of the most respected, resourceful, intelligent conservative lawyers I’ve ever listened to in debates with liberal attorneys . He was a joy to hear, so informative and respectful of the renderings of the constitution. And, now because he supported Trump in his election contest he is being destroyed by leftist politicians, the dem media, and even compliant republicans who willingly toss one of their own to the wolves because they no longer see Trump as useful to them. Dershowitz has even said there will no longer be any good conservative lawyers left if democrats and weak-kneed republicans don’t stand up for principles rather than short term gains, like getting the candidate you want elected even if he is down in the polls by a lot.
Eastman was forced from his positions at the Chapman University Law School after campus protests. Chapman has also been targeted by the Soros-backed organization of leftwing attorneys who wage lawfare against lawyers who represent conservative clients called Project 65.D
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Mike Pence acted honorably on January 6th. (from Newsweek)
“The indictment cites examples taken directly from Pence’s “contemporaneous notes” that he kept in late 2020 and early 2021 about his conversations with Trump.
Pence would later describe how Trump repeatedly pressured him to block the congressional certification of the election on January 6.
“On December 29 [2020], as reflected in the Vice President’s contemporaneous notes, the Defendant falsely told the Vice President that the ‘Justice Dept was finding major infractions,’” the indictment states.
The indictment also details a meeting held on January 4, 2021, two days before the Capitol riot, in which Trump is alleged to have further pressured Pence to reject the electoral votes during his purely ceremonial role of presiding officer of the Senate.
The meeting took place between Trump, Pence and “Co-Conspirator 2″—one of six people not named in the indictment who are accused of helping Trump in his efforts. Co-Conspirator 2 is believed to be Eastman.
“During the meeting, as reflected in the Vice President’s contemporaneous notes, [Trump] made knowingly false claims of election fraud, including, ‘bottom line—won every state by 100,000s of votes’ and ‘we won every state,’” the indictment states.
Trump and Eastman are then alleged to have asked Pence to either unilaterally reject the slate of legitimate electors from the seven targeted states which President Joe Biden had won fairly, or send the question of which slate was legitimate to the targeted states legislatures.
When Pence asked Eastman if returning the question to the states was legally defensible, Eastman allegedly replied: “Well, nobody’s tested it before.”
“The Vice President then told [Trump], ‘Did you hear that? Even your own counsel is not saying I have that authority.’ The Defendant responded, ‘That’s okay, I prefer the other suggestion’ of the Vice President rejecting the electors unilaterally,’” the indictment added.
Elsewhere, the indictment notes that Trump had allegedly pressured Pence to overturn the election results during a Christmas Day phonecall in 2020.
“On December 25, when the Vice President called the Defendant to wish him a Merry Christmas, the Defendant quickly turned the conversation to January 6 and his request that the Vice President reject electoral votes that day,” the document reads. “The Vice President pushed back, telling the Defendant, as the Vice President already had in previous conversations ‘You know I don’t think I have the authority to change the outcome.’”
The indictment also details a conversation between the pair on January 1, 2021. Pence is said to have again informed Trump that he didn’t have the constitutional power to stop the votes from being certified, to which Trump allegedly replied: “You’re too honest.”
In a series of tweets on Tuesday, Pence, a fellow 2024 candidate, said the indictment against Trump is an “important” reminder that “anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States.”
Today’s indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be President of the United States.
— Mike Pence (@Mike_Pence) August 2, 2023
Pence added: “As Americans, his candidacy means less attention paid to Joe Biden’s disastrous economic policies afflicting millions across the United States and to the pattern of corruption with Hunter [Biden].
“Our country is more important than one man. Our constitution is more important than any one man’s career. On January 6th, Former President Trump demanded that I choose between him and the Constitution. I chose the Constitution and I always will.””
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There is no way that janzam is not a left-winger doing an elaborate ruse. Every post is bonkers.
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The Trump legal defense team is planning to blame John Eastman for Donald Trump doing what he did and that he misled Trump and Trump would have never known the difference. They will be throwing him under the bus. Something tells me, jan will have a different tune about John Eastman once that moves forward.
It is fascinating how Trump is going to use a version of the insanity/too ignorant to know defense in court but at the same time ask people to vote for him to be President.
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https://dailycaller.com/2023/08/02/thats-how-serious-this-is-alan-dershowitz-says-jack-smith-may-be-indicted-if-trump-wins-case/
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Pence is dirty. He is guilty for j6. He waited until the last moment, inflaming the crowd of Antifa,some trump idiots, and federal assets.
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Seems like there is bi partisan agreement that Stoners case is weak. The sc has already ruled that first amendment applies to believing one thing, even if it’s wrong. Renquists opinion is damning.
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What will be stoners next “indictment?”
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https://thenationalpulse.com/2023/08/02/exclusive-capitol-police-chief-called-jan-6-events-a-cover-up-in-tucker-carlson-interview-hidden-by-fox-news/
Former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund told then-Fox News host Tucker Carlson that events surrounding the January 6th riots at the U.S. Capitol appear to have been a “cover up,” in never-seen-before footage published exclusively by The National Pulse. In the hour-long interview, Sund laments the behaviors of then House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as well as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley, who he says had intelligence to suggest problems on Capitol Hill, which they failed to communicate with Sund and his cops on the ground. “If I was allowed to do my job as the chief we wouldn’t be here, this didn’t have to happen,” Sund begins, around 19 minutes into the conversation, during which he describes himself as “pissed off” about being “lambasted in public” over the events. Sund has written a book, Courage Under Fire, about his experiences. Having served as a police officer for over 30 years, including taking over as Chief of the United States Capitol Police in 2019, Sund explains the events leading up to January 6th, including prior to the incident at the Capitol itself, and the aftermath, appeared to be a “cover up.” “Everything appears to be a cover up,” says the decorated police chief, explaining that most things to do with his department were political, specifically because he reported to politicians including then Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi. “Like I said, I’m not a conspiracy theorist,” Sund explains, “…but when you look at the information and intelligence they had, the military had, it’s all watered down. I’m not getting intelligence, I’m denied any support from National Guard in advance. I’m denied National Guard while we’re under attack, for 71 minutes…”
After the J6 protests Sund retired, 2 Capitol police committed suicide. Pelosi refused to release the tapes for several years, despite many requests to do so. Pelosi’s daughter, a filmmaker, just happened to be in the Capitol building that day filming her mother and the events underway. When later asked about the “insurrection,”. She refused to call it that, and treated the whole event in causal tones.
Some people seem to get upset when their beliefs start to melt down as more truths and facts unfold. So much of the Trump presidency has been treated negatively and fabricated by lies – Russiagate, the Ukraine conversation with Zelensky are just two, and now the J6 protest as people like a John Solomon, Julie Kelly, Epoch News and other investigative journals review the video footage of the 4 hour event and talk with credible witnesses like Sund.
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So what was the “cover up” about? That the National Guard was too slow to arrive to prevent the mob, from entering the Capitol Building?
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Vivek Ramaswamy said he thinks the US gov lied about 9/11
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Michael Shellenberger
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Instead of coming clean about how he had moved gain of function research to China, after Obama banned it in 2014, Anthony Fauci put pressure on researchers to produce junk science for disinformation framing the lab leak theory as “conspiracy theory”
@shellenberger
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Anthony Fauci, who oversaw America’s response to the Covid pandemic, famously said, “I represent the science.” But new evidence suggests that Fauci was behind a disinformation campaign to dismiss evidence that the virus escaped from a Chinese lab. @galexybrane
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Pence has come out swinging:
“Pence: Let’s be clear on this point. It wasn’t that they asked for a pause. The president specifically asked me and his gaggle of crackpot lawyers asked me to literally reject votes which would have resulted in the issue of being turned over to the house of representatives”
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Pence is a DOJ witness and will be testifying against Trump.
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“Former Vice President Mike Pence delivered one of his harshest rebukes yet of his former boss Wednesday, telling Fox News that former President Trump and “his gaggle of crackpot lawyers” asked him to “literally reject votes” on Jan. 6.
Why it matters: Pence, who is running for the 2024 GOP nomination, had refrained from overtly criticizing Trump on the campaign trail. That appears to have changed after Trump was indicted Tuesday for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election.
Driving the news: Trump lawyer John Lauro said on CNN Tuesday night that the former president asked Pence to “simply pause the voting” on Jan. 6, when the vice president presided over a joint session of Congress certifying Joe Biden’s Electoral College victory.
“There’s nothing inherently unconstitutional or illegal about that. … Mr. Trump is not a lawyer. He’s a businessman,” Lauro argued.
Pence shot back Wednesday: “The American people deserve to know that President Trump and his advisers didn’t just ask me to pause. They asked me to reject votes, return votes, essentially to overturn the election.”
Such an unprecedented move “would have resulted in the issue being turned over to the House of Representatives, and literally chaos would have ensued,” Pence added.
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Trump and lawyer John Eastman pressured Pence to send electors back to state legislatures during the ceremonial counting of votes on Jan. 6.
Pence did not believe he had the constitutional authority to do so and repeatedly rebuffed Trump’s requests.
“You’re too honest,” Trump told Pence on Jan. 1, according to the indictment.
Trump’s pressure campaign continued even after a mob of his supporters stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6 and threatened Pence’s life, forcing Pence to be whisked away by security.
What they’re saying: “[W]hat the president maintained that day and frankly has said over and over again over the last two and a half years is completely false,” Pence said. “And it’s contrary to what our Constitution and the laws of this country provide.”
“On that day, President Trump asked me to put him over the Constitution. But I chose the Constitution and I always will.””
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“The fact is, if Dr. Eastman is indicted, he will go to trial. If convicted, he will appeal. The Eastman legal team is confident of its legal position in this matter,” Burnham said in a statement.
Zoom in: Between Jan. 4 and Jan. 7, 2021, Eastman sent a total of 101 emails in which he discussed various methods to bar Congress from certifying the 2020 election results, according to federal court documents filed in April 2022, Axios has reported.
In testimony to the California Bar in June over whether he should lose his law license for his role, he stood by his claim that state legislatures had the power to reverse President Biden’s victory in 2020″
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“@Axios
Bill Barr tonight rejected claims that Trump’s 3rd indictment was “attack on free speech,” telling CNN: “Free speech doesn’t give you the right to engage in a fraudulent conspiracy”
Bill Barr on CNN: “As the indictment says, they’re not attacking his First Amendment right. He can say whatever he wants. He can even lie. He can tell people that the election was stolen when he knew better. But that does not protect you from entering into a conspiracy.””
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How does any of this actually matter.
Whether he is in prison or not he is still the nominee, and of course he can pardon himself if he wins.
The left is waiting to charge him w sedition bc they want to execute him.
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Here is a classic example of how Trump friendly independent media distort the truth and takes things out of context. All it does is mislead Trump followers and keep false narratives alive.
I like John Solomon and this wasn’t written by him. It’s from someone else at Just the News.
The article is titled “Pence statements prior to Jan. 6 undercut his claims on election integrity, constitutional duty”
Here is the key portion.
Pence has repeatedly maintained he lacked the constitutional authority to send the elections results back to the contested states for review and insisted he saw no evidence of voter fraud swaying the outcome of the 2020 election, a point Smith notes early in the indictment.
The former vice president’s own words prior to the events of the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot, however, seem to contradict his post-vice-presidency narrative.
Video footage from a public address less than one week prior to the electoral certification on Jan. 6, 2021 shows Pence expressing concerns about election irregularities in the contest and vows to hear the objections of his supporters during the certification process, seemingly suggesting he held a belief in his authority to do so.
“I know we all got doubts about the election. I share the concerns of millions of Americans about voting irregularities,” he told supporters on Jan. 4. “I promise you this Wednesday. We’ll have our day in Congress. We’ll hear the objections. We’ll hear the evidence.”
1. He said “voting irregularities”:not wide spread fraud. It was classic political speak which I despise but it’s not agreeing with what team Trump was propagating at the time..
2. Have our day in congress for objections. That did happen. He wasn’t saying I have the authority to reject the electors and return them back to the states.
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Trump pledges to get rid of the war mongers
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The chief warmonger now is Putin. So Trump is promising to get rid of him?
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I read that Meloni was the most popular politician in all of Europe right now at -1% vs for example Macron who is -47% at the moment.
Likely the only reason the intelligence agencies haven’t nuked her yet is because she got roped into being a huge a Zelinksky support and
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Trump is busy disqualifying himself.
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MDS looks to take down demented Joe
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“Caroline Kennedy recreates her father JFK’s heroic World War II swim”
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Perhaps now she will recreate her uncle Ted Kennedy’s swim from the island to the mainland after the young woman drowned in his car.
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I hear that RFK jr. is a loon so he probably can swim pretty fast.
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The share of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents who believe that President Joe Biden’s 2020 election win was not legitimate has ticked back up, according to a new CNN poll fielded throughout July. All told, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaners say Biden’s win was not legitimate, up from 63% earlier this year”
It should be 100%
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Our independent MSM…
@Lemire
: “We should put this in context; this is the time when Beau Biden, the president’s other son, was ill & dying & then passed away. So perhaps he wasn’t as attentive to what he should have been”
@Eugene_Robinson
: “We know how important family is to the president. So, do you hang up on your son?”
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2023-08-03/banana-republic-indictment
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Does stoner and barstool not realize that he can indict the entire Russia hoaxers in the same grounds?
Surely Bondo and stoner are not that dumb or are they?
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Pence did the right thing on January 6. But he did it out of weakness, not strength. He knew the election was stolen. If indeed he believed in the Constitution, he would be out there condemning voter fraud.
He is a weak man, and now is saying what he thinks the MSM wants to hear.
It is not disloyal to run against Trump. But the statements he is making now ARE deeply disloyal. Whatever Trump did or did not say to him in private conversations should remain private.
I am crossing Pence off the list of Rs I would vote for in the GE. He can join “You must feel my pain Haley”, “Fat F–k Christie”, and “Who the f–k is Vivek” as unacceptable for higher office. Oh, and Asa Idiot.
I will vote for the Golden Calf, Trump, Scott, Suarez or Burgum.
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Perhaps now she will recreate her uncle Ted Kennedy’s swim from the island to the mainland after the young woman drowned in his car.”
LOL
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Caroline Kennedy lost the opportunity for a senate seat because she said “you know” 12 times in a 49 second clip. She said “you know” 142 times in a NYT interview. She is a vapid moron.
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The cover-up was about deliberately creating chaos on the day of certification so none of the incendiary evidence of fraud could be heard. Trump authorized the presence of 10,000 national guard days before the 6th. The democrat DC mayor refused to sign on to this authorization, as did Pelosi who was officially in charge of the Capitol Building’s security. Chris Miller, the Acting Sec. of Defense, backs up DJT’s request for troops in a subsequent book written by him, debunking accounts that differed from his written account. General Milley is exposed as having Intel he did not share with Capitol Police Chief Sund, keeping him out of the loop so he could not prepare for adequate security that day —- his pleas for help being ignored for 71 minutes on the 6th. Sund has stated, with the deployment of the authorized national guard, and the sharing of Intel info surrounding the certification day, the raucous J6 event would never have happened. But, then maybe Biden would never have become president, and that certainly is not what the powers who run this country had in mind.
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Crazy Jason: “the election was stolen”.
No Jason. You are wrong.
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I will add that it is perfectly appropriate for Jason to say that the election is stolen…. whether he believes it or not. AND, it is perfectly fine for the president to say it is stolen even if he knows it’s a lie. The president can say so loud and clear whether it is true or not. It is protected speech.
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BUT, the indictments are NOT about saying something or even lying about something publicly….. as everyone with a brain cell knows.
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So, here is how a defense subpoena for records in a federal case works.
Rule 15:
(c) Producing Documents and Objects.
(1) In General. A subpoena may order the witness to produce any books, papers, documents, data, or other objects the subpoena designates. The court may direct the witness to produce the designated items in court before trial or before they are to be offered in evidence. When the items arrive, the court may permit the parties and their attorneys to inspect all or part of them.
It’s not like “discovery” in civil cases. The individual or entities subpoenaed deliver the responsive items to the Court, and the Court allows the parties to inspect them.
Now consider how long it is going to take the State of Georgia or Fulton County to gather and produce all the records it has regarding 2020 election results. Same for Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Penn.
The theory of the Govt case is “fraud” perpetrated by Trump.
It’s not going to be necessary for Trump to prove that he was “right” — only that his claims were colorable and subject to reasonable dispute.
This will take years and it will eventually be dismissed by the Govt.
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Don’t Freak Out… I DO NOT support this January 6th indictment. It could take a couple years with appeals and make it to SCOTUS.
If this case makes it to trial which is probable with the DC Circuit. It could get very messy. Not sure if anyone else watched any of the January 6th depositions that are on web. Much of what is in the indictments are in those house depositions. It’s going to get very messy for Trump. There could be a host of potential people close to Trump put on the stand by the DOJ… Jason Miller, Bill Stepien, Hope Hicks, Mark Meadows are just a few.
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I am disappointed in Vivek Ramaswamy and his efforts to present himself having directly opposite positions in his comments now on January 6th and Covid in 2021 and 2020. It’s a very bad look.
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National retreat online and the fatzo dispatch are now against the indictment?
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I heard about that polling number this morning. It’s only growing too, as more whistleblowers are appearing to counter the lies of Biden, the real culprits of J6 are gradually being identified, the tyranny of Soros-backed, leftist governors and state officials is seen as going over the top of reasonable inquiry, and the punishing indictments layered onto a candidate they want to take out, juxtaposed to the crooked illegitimate president given undeserved protection by the media and administrative state.
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Looks like the demented dictator and meritless goblin garland lost Andy Mcccarthy.
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I am a proud unipartian supporter of the demented dictator.
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We know. What a shocker. Nobody gives a sh*t.
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Al Sharpton
“Can you imagine our reading that James Madison or Thomas Jefferson tried to overthrow the government?”
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As far as the popular vote in 2020. Biden won by about 7,000,000 votes. Presidents are elected by the electoral college, which Biden also won. Trump made claims there were irregularities in some of the states that affected the electoral college. However, it is clear a majority of the voters did not want to re-election him.
“Biden won 81,283,098 votes, or 51.3 percent of the votes cast. He is the first U.S. presidential candidate to have won more than 80 million votes. Trump won 74,222,958 votes, or 46.8 percent of the votes cast. That’s more votes than any other presidential candidate has ever won, with the exception of Biden. (Third-party candidates picked up 1.8 percent of the votes cast.)”
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Trump did poorly among young voters in 2020, despite running against a clearly mentally challenged senior citizen.
“Nationwide, 61 percent of 18- to 29-year-olds voted for Biden, while 36 percent voted for Trump, according to analysis from the Center for Information & Research on Civic Learning and Engagement (CIRCLE), the non-partisan research center on youth engagement at Tufts University’s Jonathan M. Tisch College of Civic Life. That’s higher than the level of youth support Hillary Clinton received from young voters in 2016. About half of eligible 18- to 29-year-olds voted, and CIRCLE projects that could rise to 56 percent when all votes are counted.”
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“Russia: Army recruitment posters that read “It’s time, you’re needed by the Motherland” plastered over the windows of a funeral home in Nizhny Novgorod. 🫡”
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Support Trump regarding political assassination. He has the wealth to cover his own legal expenses.
Vote DeSantis to win in 2024.
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Anyone else find it unusual how dark Trumps Chief of Staff has gone? Calling Mark Meadows where are you? Witness protection program?
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Sarcasm on the witness protection JIC.
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Devon Archer throwing the Biden crime family under the bus:
“Another Dan Goldman own goal. He’s 3 for 3 now. This time in his Devon Archer “interrogation” he inadvertently gets Archer to say that part of Hunter’s value to Burisma was that “people would be intimidated to mess with them…legally” with the son of the US VP on the board. And so it turned out, as the prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who was investigating Burisma corruption, was fired on the orders of Hunter’s dad.”
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Cult leader talk.
You are NOT being arrested for me.
No there are plenty of others who are being arrested, have been arrested and will be arrested unjustly and harassed by the corrupt FBI and DOJ another just you.
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Serious backtrack here by Trumps spokesperson on election results.
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The view is worth the click.
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This doesn’t bode well for 2024.
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This doesn’t bode well for 2024.
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Biden won over 81 million ballots, not necessarily “votes.” There is a big difference between the two!
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Your posts are beginning to remind me of the type a “concern troll” would make.
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I guess DeSantis doesn’t shy away from using the “Deep State” term like Jeff does.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis used a surprising choice of words over the weekend when describing his plans to tackle the Deep State,promising to “start slitting throats” on day one.
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No, believe JeffP is just being bluntly honest. JeffP and I disagreed on many issues. But I respect what he has to say
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Trump Returns to DC in Defiant Fashion: ‘I Am Being Arrested for You’
Does that mean I can request you enter a guilty plea?
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The truth comes out. Putin is a secret CIA agent:
https://images.app.goo.gl/hBKjhttps://images.app.goo.gl/hBKjMjcHSGy1s5LE6MjcHSGy1s5LE6
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“Putin is a sleeper CIA agent. He’s destroyed his army, weakened Russia, built up NATO, killed Russian-spezkers in the East, brought Finland and Sweden to NATO, forever bonded Ukrainian language and identity, and crested the modern Ukrainian military.”
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@DarthPutinKGB
75 weeks of my 3 day war. It is known. The wise commander first exhausts Himself, loses His best weapons, troops & all momentum, retreats, becomes joke to His enemies, has immense casualties but **only then** thinks to use his airpower significantly.
@EdmundJWilson
Replying to @DarthPutinKGB
This is propaganda. Putin hasn’t even begun to use airpower significantly.
@sw4811
great strategy losing 200k men, 80+ helicopters, 80+ planes. And THEN starting your air war. Oh yeh and don’t forget doing this after allowing dozens of NATO anti-air systems set up first. Gotta hand it to Putin playing that 4-d chess.
@EdmundJWilson
It’s called restraint
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More bad news for NeverTrumpers
CNN poll: 70% of republicans know that Biden and deepstate stole the 2020 election
https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/03/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-think-2020-election-illegitimate/
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Administrative State = Deep State
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I know when RDS uses the term what he means.
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He also calls out the WEF any name. He has done more than Trump to fight globalism.
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Troll ?!?!? Not exactly. I almost always use primary sources. I learned long ago to not trust the MSM and certain conservative influencers who embellished narratives to gain clicks and follows.
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2024 South Carolina Republican Primary:
Trump 43%
DeSantis 21%
Scott 11%
Haley 8%
Ramaswamy 4%
Christie 3%
Hutchinson 1%
Pence 1%
Suarez 1%
Elder 0%
Burgum 0%
@ManhattanInst
601 LV, July
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2024 New Hampshire Republican Primary:
Trump 34%
DeSantis 13%
Christie 11%
Ramaswamy 8%
Haley 7%
Scott 7%
Pence 4%
Burgum 3%
Hutchinson 1%
Suarez 1%
Elder 0%
@ManhattanInst
603 LV, July
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2024 Michigan Republican Primary:
Trump 61% (+48)
DeSantis 13%
Pence 7%
Ramaswamy 4%
Haley 3%
Christie 2%
Scott 2%
Hutchinson 1%
@EmersonPolling, 498 LV, 8/1-2
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Potential Senate GOP candidate in 2024
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Still extremely close:
Real Clear Polling, Average: 7/7 – 8/1
Biden. 44.9%
Trump 44.0%
Biden +0.9
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Great example of how Trump loyalists think.
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“All she does now is make the GOP look crazy and stupid.”
It’s a team effort.
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Putin sends in Chris Christie to destroy food supply lines
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DC_Draino
@DC_Draino
Kari Lake says instead of impeaching Joe Biden, House Republicans should just decertify the 2020 election and reinstate Trump to the presidency now
Besides Trump, @KariLake is probably the fiercest fighter we have
– Jason fraud pumps his fist in the air and says, “I agree! Lose with Lake!”.
Always remember, though, that Jason fraud is a 2020 election denier. He thinks the election was stolen from Trump. Of course, he also thought George Allen won the 2006 VA Senate race.
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Yeah, 42000 votes in 3 states that kept Trump from winning, and considering all the issues with VBM and other voting issues in AZ, WI, and GA it is pretty clear to me Trump would have won those states in a clean election.
As for George Allen, I never claimed he “won”, I said fraud is a possibility in any senate election where the the R loses by 7k votes with millions of votes cast.
GFY.
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This is another terrible escalation by the Ukrainians. I just cannot understand why they refuse to accept being slaughtered by the Russians when they know Putin is just trying to help them find their own identity. Another perfectly good ship gone, it is just unbearable.
https://redstate.com/streiff/2023/08/04/breaking-russian-navy-ship-heavily-damaged-by-ukrainian-drone-strike-n787198
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DRUDGE
“Pope tells youths to tackle climate crisis, poverty…”
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Another piece of proof that the current pope is batty.
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Bitter will soon be here to say what the Pope outside of Catholic dogma is irrelevant and nobody should care the Pope is a communist and that he will still go to mass.
Then he will claim that I said he shouldn’t go to mass.
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Jason?
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Paul?
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Turley destroys Stoner
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Kari Lake is right on principle but wrong on the remedy.
She is right that Biden was elected in an illegitimate election and shouldn’t be President.
But the remedy she seeks is not feasible and she knows it. There is no avenue for Congress to reinstate Trump even if there was the majority political will and popular support to do so, which there isn’t.
The only remedy is to do away with the changes in election laws in various states that allowed the Dems to win states like WI, AZ, GA, PA and NV by very small margins through primarily VBM fraud. When you include PA and NV, the election was decided by fewer than 100k votes in 5 states with over 20 million votes cast and 63 electoral votes. Anyone who thinks that without the Covid related changes the Dems managed to implement in these states Biden would have prevailed is smoking some really good sh-t.
The only state that did anything to address the issue was GA. The others did not and in NV those changes came through again for Dems when Laxalt lost by less than 10k votes
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New ABC poll doesn’t look good for the geezers.
Favorable: Biden 33% / Trump 30%
Unfavorable: Biden 52% / Trump 59%
Also this…I was wondering with all the groundwork done by the media and Woke Commie Dems is if the January 6th indictments would be viewed more serious by the general public.
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Heh, Babylon Bee tears Mike Pence a new a-hole.
“In a bold new attempt to win the 2024 election against Biden, candidate Mike Pence has decided to alienate all 80 million voters who voted for Donald Trump.
“It’s about time someone had the courage to say it, so today I will say it: Trump is bad,” said Pence to a raucous crowd of 12 seniors in the activity center of Shady Oaks Retirement Home. “If that hurts my chances with the tens of millions of people who voted for him, so be it. I am a stalwart man of integrity. Just look at my kind eyes and serious face.”
Pence then looked directly into the camera with a look of integrity.”
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We will see if this is the trend…
Overall, 65% of adults think the charges are serious, including 51% who said they are very serious and 14% who said they are somewhat serious.
Only 24% said they are not serious, including 17% who said they are not serious at all.
Just over half — 52% — think Trump should have been charged with a crime in this case, while 32% said he should not have been. And a plurality of Americans (49%) said Trump should suspend his presidential campaign, while 36% said he shouldn’t.
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42K definitely within the margin of fraud in 2020 for three states.
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There is a silver lining in the bogus Jan 6 indictments. Trump will now be able to subpoena a lot of people who will be making some compelling arguments regarding election fraud in these states.
In essence, the DOJ and the MSM, who assured us the election was the most “secure in history”, are now vulnerable to really good arguments on why it was not secure at all.
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Not everyone who might think the charges are “serious” necessarily agree with them.
And remember, the public is being bombarded 24/7 with the MSM version of these indictments. As the fact become more clear, I think the number of people that realize this is just another weaponization of the justice system against Trump (and against anyone who doesn’t toe the “party” line).
Actually, despite all the propaganda, that already 41% of American know these charges are garbage is encouraging. This number will grow, bet on it.
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As time goes on, more people will realize Turley is right and these charges are more than fake, they are reckless. These indictments are really an indictment of the First Amendment, not Trump. He is the symbol and the excuse.
“On the election claims, Smith declares that Trump “knew that they were false” because he was “notified repeatedly that his claims were untrue.”
The problem is that Trump had lawyers and others telling him that the claims were true. Smith is indicting Trump for believing his lawyers over his other advisers.
I criticized Trump’s Jan. 6 speech while he was still giving it and wrote that his theory on the election and the certification challenge was unfounded. However, that does not make it a crime.
If you take a red pen to protected free speech in this indictment, it would be reduced to a virtual haiku. Moreover, if you concede that Trump may have believed that the election was stolen, the complaint collapses.
Smith also noted that Trump made false claims against the accuracy of voting machines in challenging the outcome of the election. In 2021, Democratic lawyers alleged that thousands of votes may have been switched or changed by voting machines in New York elections. Was that also a crime of disinformation?
Smith indicted Trump because the now former president “spread lies that there had been outcome-determinative fraud in the election and that he had actually won.” The special counsel also says Trump “repeated and widely disseminated (the lies) anyway – to make his knowingly false claims appear legitimate, create an intense national atmosphere of mistrust and anger, and erode public faith in the administration of the election.”
Polls previously showed that roughly half of the public viewed earlier charges against Trump as politically motivated. That is why many of us hoped that any indictment would be based on unquestioned legal authority and unassailable evidence.
Smith offered neither. This indictment will deepen the view of many in the public that the Justice Department is thoroughly compromised in pursuing political prosecutions.
These concerns were magnified Tuesday by Smith, who announced the charges with comments that made him sound more like a pundit than a prosecutor. The special counsel gave an impassioned account of the Capitol riot that made it sound like Trump was charged with incitement. He wasn’t. Nor was he charged with seditious conspiracy, despite his second impeachment on those charges.
Notably, many of the legal experts praising the indictment previously insisted that there was a clear case for incitement against Trump. Indeed, Democratic members made the claim the center of the second impeachment, despite some of us writing that there was no actionable claim.
Even Smith wouldn’t touch the incitement or sedition claims that were endlessly pushed by legal experts and Democratic members.
Instead, Smith will seek to criminalize false political claims. To bag Trump, he will have to bulldoze through the First Amendment and a line of Supreme Court cases. That’s why this latest indictment of Trump isn’t just wrong. It is reckless.”
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Turley makes another good point.
What happened to “inciting a riot”?
I guess Smith decided it was hard to charge someone with that when that person said “make your voices heard peacefully and patriotically”
He basically sh-t canned the second impeachment charges as garbage, not a surprise.
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He may hold it back as a super seceding indictment. However, since trump was impeached on it and won, he cannot be subjected to a criminal action, if stoner believes in the constitution.
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There is polling in Michigan indicating that trump and the demented dictator are tied in Michigan.
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Does this explain “mike?”
Obama Once Wrote To Ex-Girlfriend That He ‘Repeatedly Fantasizes About Making Love To Men,’ Biographer Says | The Daily Caller
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I fully expect Trump to be convicted in DC. The judge, the jury….it’s stacked against him big time. Expect the jury to be out about three minutes. I also expect Trump to win on appeal once it gets to the Supreme Court. Problem is that Democrats are in complete control of the timeline. He’d have a conviction hanging over his head at the time of the GE election and it won’t be overturned until AFTER the election.
The Democratic plan is working out exactly as they want.
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I wonder if Bunu cares that I mark some of his posts as spam so they disappear.
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Carnage. Totally inhumane and unnecessary
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/08/meat-grinder-ukraine-loses-43000-soldiers-since-june/
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Exactly.
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Picking an unnecessary fight with the Iowa governor. Brilliant strategy, Donald.
When it comes to political strategy, Trump has always been dumb as a rock.
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Failure to Launch
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2024 Iowa Republican Caucus:
Trump 44% (+24)
DeSantis 20%
Scott 9%
Ramaswamy 5%
Haley 4%
Pence 3%
Burgum 1%
Christie 0%
Head-2-Head:
Trump 55% (+16)
DeSantis 39%
@SienaResearch/@nytimes, 432 LV, 7/28-8/1
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Not only has Bud Light lost a ton of market share, the company is spending huge amounts of money to prop it up. Double whammy. 1000X more ads….giveaways, rebates. Basically they “only” lost a quarter of their sales because they are giving it away now.
“Ads for the brand have appeared about 3,400 times on national television from June 1 through July 30, according to iSpot.tv, an ad-measurement company that tracks TV and streaming-video advertising.
In the comparable period last year, Bud Light ads ran 32 times on national TV, according to iSpot. The brand’s TV commercials traditionally run more often in the fall, including during National Football League games.
Bud Light has also been running promotions, including a weekly $10,000 giveaway and a $15 rebate program on large packs timed around July 4.
Sales, meanwhile, remain in a slump.
U.S. retail-store dollar sales of the brand fell 26.1% in the week ended July 15 and 26.8% in the week through July 22, compared with their respective year-earlier periods, according to an analysis of NIQ data by Bump Williams Consulting.”
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The real reason JeffP and the rest of the country club TDS Republicans hate the idea of a more inclusive party that includes working class people and minorities.
These people might “contaminate” the suburbs if allowed out of the reservations the Dems have made for them.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/miacathell/2023/08/04/blacks-for-trump-arraignment-n2626612
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I don’t hate the inclusion of anyone in the Republican Party. I am no respecter of other people. Just because I am not a supporter of Donald Trump doesn’t make what your assuming true.
“ These people might “contaminate” the suburbs if allowed out of the reservations the Dems have made for them.” I have never had a single thought like this.
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Zzzzzzzzz It would be unnecessary if Russian troops would get the F out of Ukraine. Since they are not leaving, it is necessary.
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Kelly O’Donnell
@KellyO
A clear sign he is not president anymore. Despite all the motorcades and perks, his plane has to wait to taxi. Air Force One gets immediate clearance.”
Hard hitting journalism over at NBC…
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I am no respecter of other people”
We know.
But the truth will set you free, so at least you admit it.
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I have never had a single thought like this”
We know.
You probably have had thousands.
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tinahhr
August 4, 2023 at 12:06 pm
Carnage. Totally inhumane and unnecessary ”
Right. Tina the Putin Lapdog Stooge thinks if Ukraine would just surrender things would be so much easier for Pooty Poot
Of course, she forgets that it is the Russians who are inhumane, but she could never bring herself to admit her darling “Pooty Poot” is responsible for such “carnage”.
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What say the TDS morons?
“Former President Donald Trump’s campaign is quietly pressuring states to guarantee their delegation selection process will help his chances of winning the GOP nomination in 2024 and ensure their rules don’t favor his challengers, Politico reported Friday.
The California GOP has chosen to award all of its delegates to the Republican candidate who wins over 50% of the vote in its primary, altering its earlier proposal to give a portion to the runner-up, The Associated Press reported on Monday. Trump and his allies lobbied for California’s change, and they’re aiming for similar delegation proposals in several other states while attempting to block other alterations that could assist his rivals, according to Politico.
“He who controls the rules controls the process. You control process, you win,” Trump campaign senior adviser Chris LaCivita told Politico. “We’re basically guarding our flanks. We’re stopping any monkey business if they want to do it like Cruz did in 2016.”
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I checked to see where Tina gets her “information”, since the figure of 40k Ukrainian dead in a few weeks is totally ridiculous, very doubtful Ukraine has had that many military dead since the war began, let alone in a few weeks. It is unlikely it is even 10% of that, even 4k killed would be an extraordinary number for either side.
But yes, she is quoting the Rusisian Ministry of Defence
“The Russian Ministry of Defence confirmed Gateway reports that over 40,000 Ukrainians have died in the “counter-offensive” since June 4. cdeway reports that over 40,000 Ukrainians have died in the “counter-offensive” since June 4.”
So Tina believes Putin’s propaganda fed to Putin spokesman Gateway Pundit.
You can’t make this sh-t up.
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A news report just came out saying DeSantis is publicly saying there is no substantial evidence supporting Trump’s stance the 2020 election was stolen. Conservative media was taken aback as to how this newly minted DeSantis opinion would help him win over America First supporters, considering the majority think the 2020 election was fraudulently executed. IMO, those on the Trump/DeSantis fence will be even more turned off by RDS’s lack of having a firm take, and consequently “spine,” on the issues – first Ukraine and now dealing with the political motivated indictments against Trump. RDS is fundamentally turning himself into a Pence twin, or is it a clone.
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The Putin appeasers on this board also often quote the Gray Zone, which is Russian propaganda. They seem to enjoy being mouthpieces for Putin.
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Respector means favorites of other people over another dude. 😂
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Welcome to the Fraud Squad
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/110833024321227364
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Donald Trump Favorable Rating:
Favorable 30%
Unfavorable 59%
@Ipsos/@ABC, 1,076 Adults, 8/2-3
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Kamala Harris: “As the Name Suggests, Community Banks Are In the Community!”
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I support the dictator. Much better than the dipshit MAGAs.
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Reality based facts slipped out of DeSantis’ mouth.
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Maybe. But it is still a long way off. VBM is a legitimate way to vote.
GO FUCK YOURSELF.
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Donald Trump Favorable Rating:
Favorable 30%
Unfavorable 59%”
That is why he can’t win a GE. Unfortunately, some of the MSM/TDS propaganda does work.
Yes, he would get a lot more than 30%, because many who view him unfavorably would still vote for him a la 2016. But not enough to win.
A Golden Calf nomination would give Rs at least a fighting chance, not to mention he would pardon Trump.
Win-win.
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Kamala Harris: “As the Name Suggests, Community Banks Are In the Community!”
This is why I support Biden/Harris 2024. If something happens to Biden, the country is in good hands with this brilliant woman.
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A news report just came out saying DeSantis is publicly saying there is no substantial evidence supporting Trump’s stance the 2020 election was stolen.”
A “news report”? LOL
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DeSantis was addressing some of the wild unsubstantiated claims made like Interference from Maduro in Venezuela. Nothing to see here.
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My wife and I are big points and miles enthusiasts. This article was posted on one of the blogs we follow…Russias national airline Aeroflot planes flying without brakes 😂
https://onemileatatime.com/news/aeroflot-flying-planes-without-brakes/
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Another Trump X influencer spreading dis info regarding faux electors. The Hawaii (not certified due to ongoing recount not certified) comparison is a straw man argument and is not comparable to 2020 in which faux electors were chosen after recounts, legal challenges and certification.
Do you know how many Trump koolaid drinkers believe this? Millions. They are going to be in for a big surprise one day.
@charliekirk11 JUST IN: Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers is now pushing to criminally charge that state’s 10 alternate Republican electors who cast their ballots for Trump in late 2020 should the ongoing legal disputes at that time have proved successful—the same strategy that was legally and successfully employed in Hawaii in 1960.
This comes just days after Trump’s J6 indictment and after 16 alternate Republican electors were charged in Michigan. This is a pre-planned, timed, and coordinated conspiracy.
Not only do they want to get Trump, they want to weaponize a partisan DOJ and radical Democrat prosecutors to criminalize an entire opposition political movement.
Every co-conspirator in this anti-American plot must be held accountable.
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Nominating RDS is the best chance for accountability.
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I strongly disagree the 1960 election isn’t an example of how a second slate of electors wasn’t appropriately applied in a controversial election. The major difference, however, between 2020 and 1960 is there were multiple democrat governors who were not cooperative in giving access to ballots, the machines, legislative meetings etc., unlike how Hawaii handled their bipartisan disparities and differences. The fact there are “conservatives” whom would side with the Dems in their post 2020 rationales, of an election disputed by many millions of people, is disappointing, especially by those dissimg Trump and hawking for DeSantis.
BTW, Trump was the main speaker tonight at an Alabama GOP dinner overflowing with 2-3 thousand people.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/04/biggest-ron-desantis-donor-withholding-donations-unless-campaign-major-changes/
Some of DeSantis’s mega donors want him to change his pitch and attract more people to his campaign. They are withholding cash until he produces better results in his messaging to the people. So, this is who some of you are throwing your support to – a candidate who is beholding to corporate giants in his decision-making.
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It’s very easy to see the dynamic as it unfolds. In the big picture, Ron DeSantis has been trying to court the MAGA base of voters, the current heart of the new Republican Party. However, DeSantis has failed in his effort to pull away Trump supporters, and simultaneously DeSantis is running out of money. That’s the context for the changed dynamic.
Suddenly, short on cash and with demands to move himself to the UniParty center – away from the unwashed working class inside the Republican Party – DeSantis’ only option is now to try and steal some donors and votes from the Christie, Pence, Haley and Scott wing of the acceptable Republican Party
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/08/04/biggest-ron-desantis-donor-withholding-donations-unless-campaign-major-changes/
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bs it will depend on the economy and oil prices
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A total wack job. So our choice in 2024 may be between two mentally off old geezers.
“During a speech at a Republican event in Alabama on Friday, Trump told his supporters that he was thankful for all three of the indictments that he has been handed so far this year, maintaining that they were “truly great” for him.
“Every time the radical left Democrats, Marxists, communists and fascists indict me, I consider it a truly great badge of honor,” Trump said. “Because I’m being indicted for you. Thanks a lot, thanks a lot. I appreciate that.”‘
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“SAN DIEGO — Tijuana mayor Montserrat Caballero says she continues to receive death threats but insists they are not enough to force her to resign from her position.
During a Thursday news conference, Caballero admitted the threats have not stopped but refused to say how often she has been getting them.
Back in June, she was forced to move into an army installation in Tijuana as a way to protect her and her family after they were threatened by an unspecified drug cartel.”
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2024 Virginia GE:
Biden 43% (+3)
Trump 40%
Biden 41%
DeSantis 41%
Youngkin 44% (+7)
Biden 37%
Virginia Commonwealth University, 804 Adults, 7/14-25
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2024 Arizona Senate GE:
Gallego (D) 33%
Lamb (R) 25%
Sinema (I-inc) 24%
Gallego (D) 32%
Sinema (I-inc) 28%
Masters (R) 24%
Gallego (D) 34%
Sinema (I-inc) 26%
Lake (R) 25%
@NoblePredictive, 1,000 RV, 7/13-17
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Do you think the U.S. House of Representatives should or should not start an impeachment inquiry into Joe Biden related to business deals his son Hunter Biden had in China and Ukraine?
Should 39%
Should not 38%
@Ipsos/@ABC, 1,076 Adults, 8/2-3
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Kelsey Walsh
@Kjwalsh_news
A dozen Trump supporters approached Mike Pence’s vehicle as he entered his Friday event yelling, “that’s a traitor,” “you’re a sellout,” and “why didn’t you uphold the constitution?”
“I upheld the constitution,” Pence shouted back.
As they badgered him he yelled, “Read it!”
– Yet, Jason fraud would have me believe I must care what these “salt of the Earth” people think and always look to placate them.
To Hell with these lunatics. I want these clowns purged from the party and I will celebrate when they’re gone and have crawled back under their rocks.
Choke on it, Jason fraud.
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I believe Jason supports DeSantis. Don’t understand why Robbie is so focused on him.
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Because Jason doesn’t have the obsessive 24/7 burning hatred for Trump that Robbie does.
No one else this side of the leftist media or Lincoln Project does.
Hell, I’m all in on DeSantis as well but it’s strategic. I don’t believe Trump can win and I believe it’s imperative for the future of the country that Democrats don’t retain the WH. I think Trump was a pretty good President but he’s his own worst enemy and for that reason can’t be re-elected. Too many personal flaws and self-inflicted wounds. Also. too old.
In short, I want to win. Simple as that, With Robbie it’s not that. It’s an obsessive personal hatred for the man. Every post for the last eight years from Robbie has been about Trump and that includes numerous talking points straight from every left wing source and Democratic hack imaginable.
And as a sidelight, as predicted, Robbie is doing a hard pivot on his “support” for DeSantis. Jason and I predicted that support wouldn’t last.
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Very Interesting
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Trump was an excellent President for 3/4 of his term. He was in over his head in 2020.
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Jeff, below are a couple of comments following the Dease tweet you posted. As indicated Trump didn’t “fund” the Cares Act, Congress did. Even if Trump vetoed it, there would not have been enough votes to override it. I know you desperately want to dirty up DeSantis’s opponent, but posting dishonest info is not the way to elevate your own candidate of choice.
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@doctormalibu
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2h
Hey Steveo
Congress authorized the money. How our government operates. See the Constitution.
States administered the funds.
Do you think Trump should have vetoed the program?
Why didn’t you say so at the time Beta?
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Lucky
@TheMagaHulk
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4h
The Cares Act was veto proof.
Stop being dishonest.
The President doesn’t fund anything, Steven.
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The last year of his presidency was severely upended by a virus that was distorted and then magnified by virtue of its unknown virulence and muddied etiology. Fauci, Birx and Pence presided over the task force created to offer guidance. Unfortunately their credentials superseded their worth in honestly providing real scientific info or sensible guidance that didn’t destroy our economy. Posters here at HHR, who suggested Fauci be fired early on, were ridiculed by those saying at least he provided legitimacy and credentialed cover for Trump, who was being mocked by the left and media for voicing the possibility of alternate therapies. Even through all the trials and tribulations of 2020, by the end of Trump’s 4th year the economy was starting to turn around, public optimism was coming back – all positive signs until Biden came into office.
Basically, Trump was not over his head at all….even fast tracking the vaccine was considered a positive move, which later on turned out to be a disaster because of the horrific side effects.
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What Jeff and company seem to be engaged in is “revisionist history,” in order to make a former president look bad.
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Where is the second post for the month of august?
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And the hoaxer supports and will support the demented dictator or whomever the drats run.
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Rds is running a better campaign now. However it’s relative. There are other candidates on his tail or surpassed him.
Hopefully the money grifter and pushed out soon roles will diminish.
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Rds also appears to have little backing in the Midwest states. The Michigan numbers are awful.
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Just posted.
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New thread. I always know first
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Trump added 8 trillion to the national debt in half the time Obama did. Is that not his fault too?
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He signed the bill.
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You forgot his passive response to the riots of 2020.
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