No polls today, and given all the nasty things said over the weekend in the last thread, I hereby declare today, December 1, 2025 a day of peace and reflection. Please refrain from saying nasty and hateful things to others who post here. If that means you cannot post anything at all, then take the day off, lower your blood pressure, and return tomorrow. Note: You are still free to speak the truth about Democrats.
Trump Job Approval
| Pollsters wrong in 2024: | 42.0 / 55.1 | -13.0 |
| Pollsters right in 2024: | 46.2 / 51.0 | -4.8 |
 | GOP | DEM |
| Democrats +3 | 216 | 219 |
The Hedgehog Report - Phoenix Edition 
79 responses to “Monday of Peace”
First. I will honor DW’s request. GFYs
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GFYs.
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A-hole beat me to it.
GFY.
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60 Minutes has a story tonight about Polymarket. I didn’t realize it was only from 2020. It seemed older.
Weren’t there betting sites prior to 2020?”
Yes but they had a few dozen markets at time, Polymarket has thousands. They had low volume, the Polymarket markets are very high volume and thus much more representative of true market sentiment.”
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By the way, Fla thinks you are descended from savages.”
I hate to break it to you, but we are all descended from savages.
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PreditIt was around much earlier…I think that was the one that in 2016 had Hillary way up in their betting, only to see her numbers crash by 9:00 pm. when they couldn’t call WI for her.
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They were savages intent on warring on each other and who engaged in slavery and ritualistic torture. They believed in conquest and occupation just as much as any white settler.
Find the post where I said they weren’t”
Zzzzz….
You refuse to admit left wing historians are trying to revise history to portray American Indians and the settlers in a way that conforms to their political agenda.
The only explanation for that is that you agree with their theories.
GFY.
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Bitter wrote – I never said that the Founders based their plan of government and the Articles of Confederation (which sucked) only on the confederation of the Iroquois. But they certainly knew about it, especially Franklin. They were influenced by many ideas and history, not just the Enlightenment. Willful and deliberate ignorance does not make you smarter.——_____________
Bitter as usual misstates posts and moves goal posts.
Here’s what he wrote –
“-Native Americans had a centuries-old democracy before British colonists arrived.
-Benjamin Franklin copied the Native American blueprint for our democracy .
Bitter then provided us with an article by Indian activist Feathers to support this contention. Both are false, woke revisionist history.
Bitter also wrote that I think Jason descended from savages. This is false. I think Jason descended from retards lime Bitter.
https://rumble.com/v729uq0-victor-davis-hanson-the-fallacy-at-the-heart-of-ken-burns-american-revoluti.html
Bitter then provided us with an article by Indian activist Feathers to support this contention. Both are false, woke revisionist history. They never had a centuries old democracy and Franklin never “copied” the Native American “blueprint” for our democracy like bitter wrote.
Bitter also wrote that I think the poster who uses the name Jason (not his real name per bitter) descended from savages. This is false. I think Jason descended from a line of retards like Bitter. Although Jason’s form of retardation allows him to have moments of lucidity like in that Robin Williams/Deniro movie.
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l don’t know what happened above. I wrote the post, hit enter and didn’t see it. I then wrote it again and there it is combined. Pretty retarded of me, I must say
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Also a good day to pray for Andrew Wolfe, the young guardsman still in critical condition.
It is clear now why the governor of WV wrongly reported at first that both were dead. He no doubt was told off the record that both were shot in the head, and he deduced from this that they were killed. Of course the young woman has since died, but Andrew Wolfe is still alive. It is clear he too was shot in the head because they have done the same procedure they did on Gabby Giffords, where they opened up the skull to allow the damaged brain to swell without creating further damage.
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Fla2025, please honor the request for peace today. I recommend you spend some time thinking about and praying for Andrew Wolfe.
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Jason said….”The only explanation for that is that you agree with their theories.”
Bitter is a self-loathing individual; it would upset his worldview to admit that America is not always the bad guy.
Chicon
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Predictit is wrongly named.
Betting markets reflect the sentiment of the bettors at the time the bet is made.
Polling does the same thing, reflecting the opinion of the respondent at the time the question is asked.
But I do believe the betting markets are more “accurate” because the sample is so much larger.
It is so much larger that it can ignore the fact it is not “demographically represented” as a poll would be. Polls need to be very demographically representative because of the very small sample, for example 600 people for a national election. But if you have a million people betting, you are automatically going to have, for example, representation from every state.
Polymarket consistently showed Trump as a solid favorite throughout the campaign. It was not swayed by the media hype about Kamala’s “enthusiasm”, the debate that she “won”, the “tightening of the polls”, the “bad closing by Trump”, etc
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Jason, awhile back we discussed milk thistle. Just wondering if you tried it and whether it had any impact.
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I was swayed by Kamala’s “enthusiasm” and debate.
-Freepasser
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Bitter also wrote that I think Jason descended from savages. This is false. I think Jason descended from retards lime Bitter.”
You are confused.
Bitter is an A-hole Founding Father.
He is not my father.
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I agree that left wing historians are trying to manipulate history. I do not believe that saying Phillis Wheatley was a slave who wrote poetry and George Washington liked it is not revisionism. Revisionism is not new. The Lost Cause historians pushed a noble and benevolent view of the Confederacy and slavery that was absurd.
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Jason, awhile back we discussed milk thistle. Just wondering if you tried it and whether it had any impact.
Chicon”
I bought it and then never used it.
Will dig it out of the medicine cabinet along with other stuff I bought and never used like Quercetin.
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Not revisionism should be revisionism. I miss the edit feature.
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I was swayed by Kamala’s “enthusiasm” and debate.
-Freepasser”
Tins, you have HHR LIar of the Year locked up already.
No need to run up the score.
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Chicon, I invite you too to knock off the insults for at least today, given we have a member of our armed forces lying in a hospital bed with a hole in his head and numerous other grave injuries.
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Jason said “I bought it and then never used it.
Will dig it out of the medicine cabinet along with other stuff I bought and never used like Quercetin.”
I have a similar pile.
Chicon
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Ok, so DW is serious about having a “peace thread”.
I have work to do anyway.
See you a-holes later.
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I have a similar pile.
Chicon”
Piles are common among A-holes, but put on your application, could be a tie breaker.
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FBI didn’t just try to take down trump but they did take down Nixon as well as Joe Rogan explains
https://twitter.com/SpeakWithDeeDee/status/1995456895209832542?s=20
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I will honor the peace, DW. Saying a prayer for him now.
I gave milk thistle to a dog with severe liver issues. The vet wanted my wife to spend a ton on treatment. The milk thistle got his liver back to normal after a month. Vet was shocked by his improved lab results. Not sure if it will work on humans but it certainly worked for the dog
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Thanks jason, its good for all of us to take a few moments to reflect now and then. Andrew Wolfe and Sarah Beckstrom gave their all to defend our nation’s capital city and our elected representatives. We are free to speak and debate because of their sacrifice and the sacrifice of so many who have gone before them.
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do not believe that saying Phillis Wheatley was a slave who wrote poetry and George Washington liked it is not revisionism.”
Maybe not, but the problem is the agenda driven revisionists use such factoids as justification to push an entire narrative.
Most slaves were of course not poets and Washington probably “liked” thousands of other writings.
As Walt put it, the series that started this argument was “awfully full of blacks and Indians” when portraying the Revolutionary War.
Was this because the authors wanted to glorify and exaggerate the role of blacks and Indians for political purposes (jason’s view) or because they were trying to altruistically “educate” the American public on the role of these groups (Bitter’s view)?
Given the recent revisionist theories rampant among academia and the “cultural elites” I think the former is more likely than the latter
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Not sure if it will work on humans but it certainly worked for the dog”
I am willing to try anything that might allow me to drink more…
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The new Indiana congressional map would give the GOP a shot at 9-0:
https://x.com/PollTracker2024/status/1995500644132868407
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I was swayed by Kamala’s “enthusiasm” and debate.
Said by nobody at HHR.
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Jason, I heard similar results from humans regarding the milk thistle. Couple friends had the doc tell them drinking was causing liver enzymes to get out of whack. Both tried milk thistle and had good results – similar to Fla’s dog.
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IAPolls2022
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TIPP POLL (A) – Trump Job Approval Approve: 43% (+3) Disapprove: 47% (-4)
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Good improvement in the TIPP poll, but Gallup went the other way, 36/60! Of the two, I would have more confidence in TIPP, but Trump needs to step up and take his accomplishments right to the people. The media isn’t going to help him.
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Polymarket not worried about TN election tomorrow
https://polymarket.com/event/tennessee-house-special-election?tid=1764606910234
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Polymarket may not be worried, but I am worried. Polymarket had Miyares way ahead but “two bullets” Jones won anyway.
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“I hate to break it to you, but we are all descended from savages.”
Not me.
God created the heavens and earth and Walt.
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And after Walt was created on the sixth day, two things happened. 1) God rested on the seventh, and 2) Someone got the name wrong and wrote down Adam instead of Walt.
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Cn and n story on gas prices
https://x.com/_johnnymaga/status/1995495248412479892
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Hopefully poly market gets it right this time.
Don’t throw away the quercetin. We’ve been taking it down here since 2020 whenever we feel the slightest of infection symptoms and have never caught COVID, despite no masks or vaccines. In fact, we don’t seem to even get bad colds anymore. Anecdotal I know, but there’s studies to back up its efficacy against viruses. here’s an article of an albeit small study that supports this. There are many more but this is what just came up now –
https://www.nutritionaloutlook.com/view/quercetin-warrants-further-study-as-potential-adjuvant-therapy-for-covid-19-says-recent-research
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Racist democrats just engaging in more of their racism in academics and government –
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“I hate to break it to you, but we are all descended from savages.”
Not me”
Zzzz…
Supposedly Lucy had a wooden bracelet with “Walt” etched on it.
I doubt there were any other Walts at the time.
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Polymarket had Miyares way ahead but “two bullets” Jones won anyway”
Not really. Miyares got up to 70% at one point but most of the time he was a slight favorite after the story came out.
The day before the election Jones had a slight lead already. I think you were the one who posted that.
Epps has 85% a day before the election.
Still, you CAN draw to an inside straight and a 1 in 6 chance is not negligible.
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“Abolish the white race”
Hmmm
Ok, I think the Biden Troll was right after all, you can’t be a white Hispanic.
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I usually have 2 martinis before dinner.
Tonight I will have 3 martinis and a milk thistle pill.
Let it be on record that if I croak soon of liver failure it will be on Chicon.
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50% on Chicon, 50% on FLA2025’s dog.
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Vodka martinis, or real ones?
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In the hopes of adhering to DW’s request…..
Does anyone have thoughts on Lane Kiffin’s departure from Ole Miss to LSU?
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Vodka
GFY.
But on a hot day, I will have a gin and tonic or two or three. If a bartender looks competent, might have a Negroni.
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I like dirty martinis. They taste better with vodka. Sue me.
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between Arsenal vs. Chelsea, F1 , UM football, the jets finally winning, and all of the other great games this weekend, I don’t even remember how much I drank or what, but I do know that it was immensely fun. Who’s got time to worry about livers at this point?
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West Virginian Andrew Wolfe must be related to Walt given his apparent physical durability. The latest update from the Governor Morissey:
“We did have some positive news that we were told that Andrew was asked if he could hear the nurse who asked the question to give a thumbs up, and he did respond. And we were told that he also wiggled his toes,” said Morissey to the press on Monday. “So we take that as a positive sign.”
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It is encouraging that the critically wounded Guardsman is showing improvement. I will not pray for him because everybody I pray for dies soon after.
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Morning consultation pole
https://x.com/sethjlevy/status/1995617921058701510
trumps job approval is up as are voters liking his economic and trade
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I was able to get the milk thistle pill down with a big sip of the martini.
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We should be grateful some terrorists think small.
Yes, this guy was able to kill a guardsman and seriously injure another, but somehow you would think if he really wanted to do damage he could come up with a more sinister plan that would result in more victims.
Thank God for small favors.
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Bitter, please go ahead then and pray for the physical recovery of the Afghan shooter.
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In a 3-0 decision, the Court of Appeals rules against the Trump administration on the appointment of Alina Habba as interim US attorney in New Jersey”
The government could appeal.
Or it could take Chicon’s advice to whine about it and ask Congress to impeach the 3 judges, 2 of which were appointed by GWB.
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https://decisiondeskhq.substack.com/p/tennessee-7th-district-special-election?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=5685429&post_id=180365038&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=18orls&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
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I am a little confused by “race” as it is used in MSM and government reporting and by people in general.
This is a serious question.
Criminals are often referred to as white, black, Asian…sometimes even as Hispanic or Native American (which I know the last two are not really races) The correct terms are caucasoid, negroid and mongoloid. And the people of India are considered Caucasian–not mongoloid–even though they live in Asia.
And I have seen photos of very dark skinned criminals who were listed officially as “white” when 99%+ of people would say they are NOT white.
Which brings me to how the government keeps stats on persons arrested and incarcerated.
–Are the figures now over-inflating the number of “whites” who are in prison or arrested?
–Is the Ghannystan immigrant who shot the national guardsmen considered “white” on his arrest info?
–How many persons arrested/incarcerated are classified as “white” when they are not? Do we now classify all Hispanics as white–since they are not mongoloid or negroid.
–But what about a Hispanic descendant of the Incas or Mayas–is he/she classified as mongoloid? Amerindo? Hispanic? White?
–How do schools today handle a child who is 50% Caucasian and 50% Negroid–what race do they list on school documents?
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@KurtSchlichter
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Please don’t kill drug dealers as they seek to kill American citizens seems like an odd position to take, but OK. Go with that.
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Latest on FACEBOOK about 3I/ATLAS
“3I/ATLAS: New Image Shows Interstellar Object Pointing Jets at the Sun
The moment the new frame loaded, the observatory fell silent. “Is it… aiming?” one researcher whispered. The enhanced image showed two narrow jets shooting from 3I/ATLAS—not outward into space, but angled directly toward the Sun. Perfect symmetry. Zero drift. As if the object was locking onto something. “Comets don’t target stars,” the lead analyst muttered, zooming in. The jets brightened for a split second, almost like a calibration pulse.
So why is 3I/ATLAS directing energy toward our Sun… and what happens when the jets fully activate?
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Here’s an appropriate video for the Monday of Peace thread –
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Walt,
Many people who would have identified themselves as ‘black’ ‘non-hispanic white’ or ‘hispanic white’ on earlier Census forms (and other surveys) now identify themselves as ‘mixed race’. I suspect most of the folks in your previous post would consider themselves and be considered mixed race as well.
These changes have played havoc with demographers, political scientists, and labor economists who can no longer do long-term statistical analyses using Census data as current demographic buckets may bear little resemblance to those of 20- 30- or 50-years ago.
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The military is only allowed one shot.
-muh lawyahs
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I am in favor of blowing up Somalia pirate boats that try to seize merchant ships off the coast of Africa. I do not mind if the military who blows these pirate boats up then kills any and all of the Somalia pirates in the water who may have survived the sinking of the boat. After all, the pirates went out from land to in effect go to war with any merchant ship they come across. The pirates’ aim is to attack.
I am in favor of U.S. military blowing up speed boats smuggling drugs from S. America to the U.S. But I am uncomfortable with the military then shooting and killing any survivors of the sinking of the drug smuggling boat. The drug smugglers’ aim is to elude and not get caught. Though their actions can and do indeed cause damage and death in the U.S. and harm our society.
I do not think the reason for this is that I am a racist. I do not feel or think I am a racist.
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My thought is that the pirates off the coast of Africa are armed combatants who purposefully and consciously violate international law and would have no qualms about using their weapons to kill innocent people aboard the merchant ships in order to get and control the ship and its cargo that does not belong to them and at the same time impede and threaten international shipping. The pirates left land and came to take the ship and would kill those who got in their way.
On the other hand, the drug smuggling boats are not out to DIRECTLY attack any and all others at sea. Whatever weapons they have on the speed boat is to protect the illegal drugs from being seized by others. They do not leave land saying “well, I will be looking for people to shoot and kill during my time at sea.” I think there is a difference there. Once the drug smuggling boat is struck, blown up, and sunk, I think if there are any survivors in the water we should pull them out of the water, have a trial and then give them long prison terms for international drug smuggling. I do not think it is OK to just blow away any bobbing survivors. Eventually, the drug smugglers will start to kidnap innocent men, women and children and put them on the drug smuggling speed boats and then cause international outcry against the U.S. if we continue to simply shoot and kill and survivors from our blowing up drug smuggling ships when bodies of bullet ridden babies and other innocents who were kidnapped are pulled out the water by someone.
In these two situations–pirates and drug smugglers–I see a difference in what rules of engagement we should follow.
Is there something wrong with me and my thinking?
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Bill W,
Thanks for your response to my serious question about racial statistics.
I agree that it is going to cause lots of problems in how we are changing how we are reporting….
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An analogy might be:
–someone breaking into your house to do who knows what? Use deadly force.
–someone spray painting graffiti on your car or garage door in the middle of the night? Then shoot them in the arm or leg, or pepper them with a shotgun burst of birdshot (do not use a shotgun slug)
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Bill W,
I agree with what you wrote about race and more people calling themselves mixed race.
Will this become a problem with discussion of reparations for Blacks for slavery, and for federal/State laws concerning hiring quotas for Blacks, admission quotas for Blacks for colleges and universities, federal contracts for minority owned businesses, etc.?
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Walt is immortal, so far, but if Atlas destroys the Sun he might go down with the rest of us.
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DeItaone
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US ONLINE SPENDING ROSE 7.7% TO $44.2 BILLION DURING FIVE DAY THANKSGIVING SHOPPING EVENT, ADOBE ANALYTICS DATA SHOWS
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Sales rose because of inflation.
-free passer
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Sales rose because of inflation.
Said by nobody at HHR.
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The Census still asks a race question, but it does not classify Hispanic as a race. The options are white, black, Asian, Hawaiian/Pacific Islander or Native American. If you say Asian it will ask if you are Indian, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc. Separately it asks if you are of Hispanic origin and if you say yes it asks if your are Mexican, Cuban, Puerto Rican, Dominican, Salvadorean, etc.
However, the Census requires that whatever the respondent says is what is recorded So if an apparently white person says I am black, the stats will show black. Conversely if an apparently black person says he is white, he is recorded as white.
As more and more intermingling among races occur, these stats will become more blurred and unreliable.
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Does the new day mean we still have to be nice?
Anxious to get back to normal.
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I didn’t buy anything on Black Friday or Black Weekend.
I feel bad I didn’t help the economy.
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someone breaking into your house to do who knows what? Use deadly force.
–someone spray painting graffiti on your car or garage door in the middle of the night?”
I prefer shoot now, ask what they were doing later. I am not going to be asking “hey, are you guys breaking into my house in or just vandalizing it?”
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The DC pipe bomb suspect has told the FBI that the 2020 election was stolen and that he identifies with MAGA.
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