Trump Job Approval
| Pollsters wrong in 2024: | 42.0 / 55.1 | -13.0 |
| Pollsters right in 2024: | 46.2 / 51.0 | -4.8 |
 | GOP | DEM |
| Democrats +3 | 216 | 219 |
Trump Job Approval
| Pollsters wrong in 2024: | 42.0 / 55.1 | -13.0 |
| Pollsters right in 2024: | 46.2 / 51.0 | -4.8 |
| GOP | DEM |
| Democrats +3 | 216 | 219 |
The Hedgehog Report - Phoenix Edition 
102 responses to “Remember 9/11/01. Keep killing terrorists.”
First!
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Trafalgar poll says Kamala won, but it didn’t move the needle. Pre- and post- debate support changed by a couple tenths of a percent.
https://x.com/RobertCahaly/status/1829909685614285299?t=1AnntxsVzdfw7ZSC1xT2Bg&s=19
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She lost undecided in a lot of those focus groups. I believe many were undecided local voters Makes no sense for the “winner” to ask (beg) for another debate.
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I posted the wrong link above:
https://x.com/RobertCahaly/status/1833734394101604631?t=5iyCGHTjpbPC40Ot2eLeSw&s=19
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Jeffp, morning. Your link is for the late august Trafslgarpole of Wi.
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Thanks
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A snap official poll has handed victory to Donald Trump in his dramatic first TV debate against Kamala Harris.
An official survey for Daily Express US, conducted by the Democracy Institute, found 45% of respondents believed Trump had won, while 34% handed victory to the Vice President. One-fifth (21%) said it was a draw.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/us/1947000/who-won-presidential-tv-debate-harris-trump-poll?int_source=nba
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The debate
https://x.com/LangmanVince/status/1833705628402851909/photo/1
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https://www.westernjournal.com/abc-moderators-called-double-standard-becomes-evident-disgraceful-failure/?utm_source=site&utm_medium=aggregator10&utm_campaign=can
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Here is more commentary from the mic issue, which should have been muted and was not at times apparently.
https://www.westernjournal.com/abc-breaks-rules-less-30-minutes-debate/?utm_source=site&utm_medium=aggregator10&utm_campaign=can
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Kamala and Trump shake hands again today at 9/11 Memorial.
It’s becoming a habit
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Woke NFL can still tackle
https://x.com/FBGreatMoments/status/1833334076818001999
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If I felt that I won a debate, I would offer another one for 2 reasons. First, it shows confidence. If they don’t accept, I can call them a loser/coward. Second, if I am confident, I want to win again.
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Wow. 2 classless people show class. Maybe it is the End Times.
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Harris does violate a basic rule of legal argument. Do not say “clearly.” If something is clear, you don’t have to say it. If it is not clear, saying it is clear does not make it so.
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If I felt that I won a debate, I would offer another one for 2 reasons. First, it shows confidence.”
Not the way politics works. In general, campaign managers are risk averse. They worry about Dukakis in tank moments.
If the Dems really thought she won rather than just having the MSM say she did, they would take the win all the way to November.
In my view, asking for another debate so soon after it ended is a display of weakness, not strength. I think they decided Kamala had not done enough to swing Indies to her side and needs another shot. They know the second debate is not going to be 3 on 1 especially if on Fox, so it is a risk.
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The funny thing about the handshake is that they have to do it across Biden, who is looking ahead like zombie.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/kamala-harris-donald-trump-shake-hands-911-anniversary/story?id=113583540
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it appears that demented did not recognize trump or others.
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https://wltreport.com/2024/09/11/jd-vance-reveals-what-didnt-get-enough-attention/?utm_source=PTN&utm_medium=mixed&utm_campaign=PTN
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Exactly calling for a second debate so soon is an eyesore. If she “won” convincingly, why call for it. It shows weakness.
The focus groups (undecided) voters did not break her way. Pretty clear that her facial remarks turned people away.
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Reuters interviewed 10 people who were still unsure how they were going to vote in the Nov. 5 election before they watched the debate. Six said afterward they would now either vote for Trump or were leaning toward backing him. Three said they would now back Harris and one was still unsure how he would vote.
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More from Reuters, a decidedly left leaning press service: The encounter was particularly important for Harris, with a weekend New York Times/Siena College opinion poll showing that more than a quarter of likely voters feel they do not know enough about her, in contrast to the well-known Trump.
The Trump converts said they trusted him more on the economy, even though all said they did not like him as a person. They said their personal financial situation had been better when he was president between 2017-2021. Some singled out his proposal to tax foreign imports, although economists say that is likely to raise prices.
Four of those six also said Harris did not convince them she would pursue different economic policies than Democratic President Joe Biden, a Democrat they largely blame for the high cost of living.
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Vic
https://x.com/sethjlevy/status/1833879247976267793/photo/1
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exactly. Trump didn’t implode. Komrade didn’t lay out a plan, or distance herself from Biden. It’s why she needs a second debate. I say, unless it’s on Fox, do a Nancy…Just…Say…No
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Vic he said faux debate. No mccalum and no bretless beard.
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I would opt for saying “no” to another debate. The ABC one was so lopsided, tainted with bias, any value another debate would add is lost in the memory of how bad last night’s was.
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I also don’t think he’s disciplined enough to even do a fox debate well. I would expect it to be more fair and still ask him hard questions
it would also give her a platform to lay out her policies. As of now she hasn’t and I don’t suspect she ever will
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Trump wrote on his Truth Social platform he felt last night’s debate was his best ever. Many people, however, don’t agree with this review —- myself included. Trump did manage to get in some good points, closing well at the end. However, as one commentator put it, “Every worm Harris threw at him as bait he grabbed onto.” This made him look undisciplined and easily riled, when he would have been better served staying with and nailing policy issues.
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Trump also should not only have called Harris out for her lies, but should have been more explicit detailing the extent of her lies —- bringing up the ACLU form she filled out in 2019, pinning her to radical stances she’s now running away from or denying altogether.
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Questions I would have liked to see asked and answered:
To Kamala:
–How are you and your campaign and what you propose to do to make things better different from Joe Biden’s last nearly 4 years?
–Why did it take you 50 days before you put up ANY policy positions on your Presidential website, and why have you granted no interviews except the one where Tim Walz was also there with you?
–Please explain why you were for reparations, defend the police, open southern border,, do away with ICE, and opposed to fracking but now say you have the exact opposite view?
–Can you name and explain 3 policies/actions of President Biden for the last 4 years that you disagree with or would do differently?
–Is there ANY problem in America today, and specifically in the last 4 years, that is not Donald Trump’s fault?
To both:
–What exactly IS your position on abortion, specifically–do you favor or oppose partial birth abortions, and do you think there should be some X weeks/months deadline where, except for rare medical situations, no abortion should be allowed because the fetus is now a human being and under the Constitution should be protected?
–How has the average family (specifically White, Latino, and Black)fared economically under Trump’s 4 years and Biden/Harris’s 4 years?
To Trump:
–Why did you not issue a statement or take any action for several hours while the attack on the capitol was under attack?
–Are you really as friggin’ ignorant as you portray yourself to be?
–Do you think you could whip Kamal’s ass in a round of golf?
–If you win the race, would you consider hiring somebody to give you lessons on public speaking?
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seems like some were hoping for a ko. That rarely happens.
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Trump SHOULD have given this response to the question about whether he concedes he lost the 2020 election?
It was a close race. A razor thin popular vote in 3 states totaling 27,000 votes in out of 29,000,000 votes cast made the difference in those 3 states and in who won the Electoral College vote. And in those 3 states there were 15 million mail in ballots that were counted. Existing state laws in those 3 states about mail in votes were not followed about postmark deadlines and signature verification. Additionally, there were hundreds and hundreds of affidavits filed about voting and counting irregularities in those state –and other states as well–that were never fully investigated. about 60 lawsuits were filed and not a single case actually went to a court of a judge and jury to determine if there were or were not enough “election irregularities” that could have changed the election outcome in those 3 states and the final ECV.
I find it hard to believe that I lost since I was getting campaign crowds of tens of thousands while my opponent could barely get a couple dozen the few times he came out of his basement to actually campaign. Maybe I did lose fair and square. Unfortunately, we will never know.
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Tina, I had hoped Trump would have tightened up and targeted his responses more, appealing to undecided voters rather than just his base.
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It seems like the undecided voters were receptive, Jan, if you believe those focus groups and the ny slimes posts. (See also Vic’s posts).
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That was a better answer Walt, giving statistical credibility as reasons to question the vote count. Also, explaining those 60 lawsuits, where no evidence was ever heard because of technicalities such as standing or timing. I wish he brought up the forced vaccines into people’s bodies when Kamala went on about women owning their bodies. Then there was her last minute policy revelations that were nothing more than a copy and paste of Biden’s policies, totally mocking her slogan of “not going back.”
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Tina, I was less dismayed hearing about the focus group responses. I guess I so want Harris to lose that it makes me pick apart Trump’s lost opportunities more.
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Very good answer by Walt on the election fraud case.
I will vote for Walt in 2028 if he runs.
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Victor Davis Hanson
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The Candy Crowley Debate What do we remember, if anything now, about the second presidential debate of 2012? Not whether Obama or Romney won. But only how CNN’s Candy Crowley blew up her career and embarrassed CNN—by outrageously hijacking the debate, and as a partisan, fact-checking (and erroneously so) Romney in efforts to help Obama. So, too, we won’t remember much of these debate details, given the shameful role of the two ABC moderators.
Harris came out calm, exceeded low expectations, repeated well her memorized talking points, avoided until the last 20 minutes her trademark word-salads, and repeatedly baited and incited an increasingly angrier Trump.
Harris called for unity, while smearing him as a racist and repeating the old lies about Charlottesville, “bloodbath,” the 2025 project, and Trump’s supposed support for a federal ban on abortion. Trump might seem to have matched or beaten Harris if one only reads a transcript of the entire debate—given she never honestly would or could reconcile her past and antithetical present positions. Nor could Harris explain why she simply did not implement her visions either the last three years or would do so in the next five months.
An irritated Trump started well and ended well; she in-between calmly and successfully at times baited and got Trump’s goat. But all that will neither matter nor be recalled. The debate will instead be remembered as a three-on-one pile-on, given the unprofessional and biased team of ABC moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis. Rather than refuting pre-debate fears that their past anti-Trump biases would warp the debate, they only confirmed them. Both disrupted the tempo to fact check (sometimes in error), and to editorialize Trump’s statements, while letting Harris’s Charlottesville, IVF, national abortion ban, “bloodbath” or 2025 lies go unchecked. Often their disruptive fact checks of Trump were simply wrong, such as their preposterous claim that no states allow partial birth or late abortions where the viable baby is terminated—when at least six states put no limitations on any abortions.
The questions addressed to Trump on January 6 were designed to provoke. They had no counterpart addressed to Harris—as for example, would she distance herself from Biden, or how she came to win the nomination without winning any elected delegates, or her last person in the room on Afghanistan boast, or if she wished to retract any of her inflammatory past statements, such as bragging that the deadly 2020 demonstrations would not and should not stop, or her tweets to help bail out violent 2020 rioters, or her lie that the border patrol whipped immigrants in the manner reminiscent of slavery and the Klan, or her boast that she was a radical and woke. Instead, Muir and Davis only asked Trump about supposedly controversial past statements.
Harris was never reprimanded for trying to speak over Trump. Trump was reminded to address the question asked; not so Harris who rarely did. Watching the entire debate may have aided Harris, given her low expectations. Yet the better sound bites in the next week may help Trump. But the moderators’ shameless bias may swing empathy toward Trump. So, the real story was how ABC’s moderators ruined the debate, their own reputations, and their network’s brand.
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I know Walt was discouraged about his narrow loss for Ephor in Sparta in 378 BC, but look what he accomplished as delegate in WV.
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Trump leads again at Polymarket
https://polymarket.com/event/presidential-election-winner-2024?tid=1726071261841
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Polymarket are a bunch of dog eaters.
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Why did you not issue a statement or take any action for several hours while the attack on the capitol was under attack?”
I am not sure this is a factual statement. Seems like the “attack” was underway even before the end of the rally and once the Capitol was breached not sure what “action” Trump could have done if the necessary force to keep it from happening was not in place.
I don’t give anyone a free pass for criminal behavior on J6, and I am skeptical of the Deep State theories, everyone who entered the Capitol unlawfully, attacked police officers, damaged public property and stole public and personal property knew what they were doing and the theory that they should get a free pass because they were “incentivized” or “invited” is a crock.
But at the same time I think the narrative that Trump sat around and watched TV and cheered on the riot was invented BS and propagated by the TDS crowd and the MSM. What exact knowledge Trump. had of what was going on and what he did before he told the rioters to go home is not something we know. For that reason, Trump does get a free pass from me on that particular statement.
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The debate had little impact based on the Trafalgar poll. It’s close with Trump having a slight edge because of immigration and inflation. This brings a “change” election dynamic.
Harris got Trump off his game with the “your rallies are boring” comment and he went into Queens NY mode and never recovered. Pretty weak if you ask me. But what are you going to do? It’s who he is which is why he will never change.
Boots DeSantis would have crushed Harris into pieces. Abortion would have been a non issue. RDS is about as constitutional leader I ever witnessed. He would have said… I am unashamedly pro life and unashamedly pro states rights and followed up in Reagan fashion on Federal government overreach. What could have been.
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For what it’s worth (with apologies to Les Gold) of course…
YouGov/Economist pre-debate poll (September 8-10)
Tied at 45 a piece or Harris -2 from their previous poll
https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_k1paNHZ.pdf
My guess is that any degression in the polls by Trump might be blunted by the ABC ‘hit job’-which seems to be the story of the day and probably the reason why some undecided voter focus groups might be sympathetic to Trump because of the ABC ambush.
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Landed at JFK this morning… hanging out in Delta lounge on arrival until our flight over the Atlantic later today and there were moments of silence this morning at both times the World Trade Center was hit. Very sobering.
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Trump’s rebuttal to the Lawfare was excellent. The ABC bias was an exclamation point! If Trump wins that is qreat sign the normies might be waking up politically.
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Quemala failed to change the trajectory of the race. Those undecided focus groups were not receptive to her.
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The moderators bias may have trumped everything. It was too one sided and everyone knows why. (Only 10 minutes on the economy, the leading issue? )
I also think that trump got the more memorable lines.
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realDonaldTrump
In the World of Boxing or UFC, when a Fighter gets beaten or knocked out, they get up and scream, “I DEMAND A REMATCH, I DEMAND A REMATCH!” Well, it’s no different with a Debate. She was beaten badly last night. Every Poll has us WINNING, in one case, 92-8, so why would I do a Rematch?
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92-8
Damm, I didn’t know Trump had that many family members.
Who voted for Kamala besides Mary Trump?
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You gov poll gives Kamala the win 43-28. (30% not sure)
But there are some interesting crosstabs.
The difference lies mostly because only 62% of Rs thinks Trump won vs. 81% of Dems for Kamala. Yet you can bet the overwhelming percentage of Rs who didn’t think he won will still vote for him
And only 44% of women say she won, which to me indicates a lot of women don’t really think she represents them.
“Harris has a clear plurality in this reaction poll, but that’s about it. Much of that difference comes from Democrats breathing a sigh of relief; 81% of Democrats surveyed in this poll think she won, as compared to 62% of Republicans choosing Trump as the winner. It’s closer among independents, though, and this is where the limits of this debate can best be seen. Only 35% of indies think Harris won, while 44% are unsure, with 21% choosing Trump. Interestingly, only 44% of women think Harris won the debate, while 32% are unsure — not exactly the kind of game-changer Harris must have thought she’d won. (It’s almost identical among men, 42/31/27 unsure.)
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If Trump wins I will never be so glad I was dead wrong about an election.
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The moderators bias may have trumped everything. It was too one sided and everyone knows why.”
I hate to have to agree with Tina but I made this point last night too.
If Rs, the conservative media, and Trump can frame this as an unfair event, which it was, and have that meme get some traction, which it is getting, it greatly mitigates any benefit Kamala may have gotten
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If Trump wins I will never be so glad I was dead wrong about an election.”
Don’t forget to check into the new wing at the Betty Ford Clinic exclusively devoted to TDS sufferers.
In your case, a cure is probably out of reach, but I hear they have some really good palliative treatments.
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Trump actually gained a couple points at Predictit today after going from being up 52-50. yesterday afternoon to being down 56-46 this morning.
https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/7456/Who-will-win-the-2024-US-presidential-election
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Even CNN poll couldn’t hide this…
https://x.com/WarMachineRR/status/1833732404046913875?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1833732404046913875%7Ctwgr%5E3586fb2a9514bc977945b4f77a7866a93a2db8fc%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fredstate.com%2Fnick-arama%2F2024%2F09%2F11%2Fcnn-poll-has-trump-going-up-on-economy-n2179178
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Are you paying?
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No, but I will contribute to JeffP’s HHR GoFundMe account for his TDS interventtion
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I blame Bandy Lee for JeffP’s TDS.
https://pjmedia.com/benbartee/2024/09/11/one-psychologist-libs-descent-into-tds-madness-n4932427
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One problem though … I am not a lib.
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You are highly influenced by liberal propaganda.
Go to therapy.
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Folks, undecided went to trump post debate Reuters pole:
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/113119562095105167
60 % trump
30% quemala
10% remain undecided.
This is why she wants another debate.
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https://www.breitbart.com/2024-election/2024/09/11/abc-news-debate-causes-undecided-voters-vote-or-lean-trump/
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From the bb article:
Reuters’ report is supported by New York Times interviews of undecided voters following the debate. “Trump’s pitch was a little more convincing than hers,” Keilah Miller from Milwaukee, a previous Democrat voter, said. “I guess I’m leaning more on his facts than her vision.”
“When Trump was in office — not going to lie — I was living way better,” she said. “I’ve never been so down as in the past four years. It’s been so hard for me.”
Jason Henderson, a defense contractor from Arizona who voted for former President Barack Obama, said Harris did not meet his expectations.
“Trump had the more commanding presentation,” he told the Times. “There was nothing done by Harris that made me think she’s better. In any way.”
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NOT AI.
Biden puts on a Trump hat
https://x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1833946499035570613?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1833946499035570613%7Ctwgr%5E064b153b061c63b9cdbd5de52d2e045eee42c69a%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fredstate.com%2Fbonchie%2F2024%2F09%2F11%2Fwatch-a-smiling-joe-biden-wears-a-trump-hat-because-2024-is-just-that-wild-n2179204
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why would he do that
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Maybe Trump whispered to him this morning “Joe, I will pardon Hunter if you endorse me.”
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Sorry – should have said “Joe, I will pardon YOU and Hunter if you endorse me.”
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It’s because he hates her.
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Is it a real picture?
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/09/maga-joe-biden-puts-trump-hat-during-9/
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Those kids must be ultra Maga; or
This photo is doctored by Pooty poot.
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Great picture of young Trump fans!
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”ABC News’ broadcast of Tuesday’s first presidential debate between Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump reeled in more than 60 million viewers, according to early ratings data from Nielsen.
The highly-anticipated faceoff, which saw 60.3 million viewers across ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, Fox and CNN, surpassed the eyeballs drawn by President Biden’s debate against Trump in June, which garnered 51.3 million.”
IMO Trump would be foolish to accept another debate with Harris unless he could pick the news organization and moderators conducting the debate.
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Hey Bitter…gotta love those Mets. No hit for 8 innings (and what a pitcher that Francis is. Second 8 inning no hitter in four games) and then boom…6 runs in the 9th to win!!!
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I don’t have to love them.
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Not sure if was a senior child regression moment or what….but that smile on Biden’s face donning the Trump hat is priceless. I bet he hates Harris a lot more than he does Trump.
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Rasmussen nightly poll had Trump +5
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In RAS…Harris averages about 46% over the last several nights. Trump 49%.
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Yes
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I actually hate Mets fans more than the Mets.
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https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/trump-retains-massive-lead-in-top-election-forecast-after-abc-debate-cmc/?utm_medium=agg&utm_source=economics
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I forget Trump said last night … “I’ll give you a little secret – he hates her.”
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Are you aware of Frank the Tank?
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He also said that she changed all her positions to him, thst he wanted to give her a Maga hat.
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Biden wearing the Trump hat is the funniest thing I have ever seen in a campaign. That picture made our family texting group.
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Yeah too funny
He and Quemala had a rough day at the 9-11 ceremony
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So, I guess the stories of the illegals eating pets is true, based on my last post about Dewine.
Also, Time had to issue a correction post debate.
https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/just-in-time-magazine-forced-to-make-huge-retraction-after-spewing-debate-lie-mace/?utm_medium=agg&utm_source=economics
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so question. When was a Presidential debate supposed to include debating the people asking the questions. This is ABSURD. This is a debate between two people running for President…NOT JOURNALISTS
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NT at 9 pm
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Lol, Vic.
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New poles
pew and economist/ you gov are tied nationally
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/barron-trump-faces-nyu-professors-who-signed-donald-trump-threat-letter
It’s not easy being Trump’s son these days.
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”Muir and Davis frequently interrupted the former president in order to respond with “fact checks” that were oftentimes not even true. The moderators falsely claimed that full-term abortion is not legal in any state, dismissed police reports on pets being eaten by illegal aliens in Ohio, said footage of Nancy Pelosi claiming responsibility for January 6 was not true and falsely claimed that Trump lost every court case after the 2020 election.”
The moderators uh wannabe fact checkers were weomg several times.
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There’s no credible e-bah-dense of migrants eating pets in Springfield (Al abc yesterday)
Today, oh Governor sends in troops to enforce migrants running a mock.
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Incredible morning visiting FDNY Engine 4/Tower Ladder 15!
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Tina is a dog eater.
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“Tina is a **hot** dog eater.”
Fixed it for you, Pablo.
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