Trump Job Approval
| Pollsters wrong in 2024: | 42.0 / 55.1 | -13.0 |
| Pollsters right in 2024: | 46.2 / 51.0 | -4.8 |
 | GOP | DEM |
| Democrats +3 | 216 | 219 |
Trump Job Approval
| Pollsters wrong in 2024: | 42.0 / 55.1 | -13.0 |
| Pollsters right in 2024: | 46.2 / 51.0 | -4.8 |
| GOP | DEM |
| Democrats +3 | 216 | 219 |
The Hedgehog Report - Phoenix Edition 
201 responses to “New Thread. Own it.”
”If Jan was a good nurse, she would condemn Putin for murdering, injuring and raping Ukrainians.”
Such a stupid meme to keep posting, Bitter. But, you like to poke people rather than tell the truth.
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Go back down to DW’s poll.
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No one here supports Putin or his invasion. But, there are some here who see an endless war as being more futile than helpful in restoring normalcy to a country under siege for years.
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Vance is putins bff.
-free passer
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Putin is not a war criminal. Trump is not a RINO despite funding Democrats and Planned Parenthood for years.
Cult Member
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August 28, 2024 at 12:28 pm
Vance is putins bff.
-free passer”
Finally there is some truth to that.
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No one here supports Putin or his invasion”
BS.
If you don’t support aid to Ukraine, you support Putin and the invasion because you want him to win.
No free lunch.
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From the prior thread, I have little interest in “defending” my vote.
I only do it because somehow someone always brings it up. If it is not brought up, I won’t either.
Nothing that can be said here changes my vote. The only one that could change it is JD Vance.
I wouldn’t be optimistic.
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The sophomoric strategies are hilarious, however. Bitter wants to shame me for “allowing Kamala to win”. DW wants to belittle my position by claiming it is a “hasty ultimatum”. Janzam thinks “haranguing” is counterproductive, new arguments are needed.
How about a novel idea? Trump picking someone who doesn’t adopt Ron Paul’s foreign policy agenda?
Maybe he figured there are more Bunus than jasons?
He could be right.
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Ok, we all get it. We know where each side falls on the Ukraine issue, and according to both sides here at HHR, there is no gray area…period.
So, with that said, can we move on. This Putin loving, forever war, yes aid should be unlimited forever, aid should never go not even one penny to Zelinsky crap is exhausting.
We are fighting for the future of our country, for the kind of country our children, or our childrens children are going to grow up in. Kamala Harris is an immediate threat to everything this country has stood for for the last 250 years, and her election signals a dramatically increased shift (speed wise) into the downfall of this country.
Can we PLEASE concentrate on what we agree one. We have three and a half years to argue about how sh*tty we think each other are after the election
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Nicole Shanahan
@NicoleShanahan
“I’ll admit I used to kind of roll my eyes when people claimed that President Trump was being “persecuted.” I was looking at it through the distorted filter of the media. Well, I just completed my first cross-examination in our second New York Ballot Access case, where the DNC-aligned PAC attorneys questioned me like a criminal. OK, I get it now. Our justice system is clearly being co-opted and abused by nefarious people with malevolent political agendas.”
Until the Dems intolerable policies effect someone personally they will remain stuck in their ignorance believing what the corporate media says to be true.
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Vic – HHR has been built upon the idea that people who agree on 90% of things will fight over 10%
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The problem with Vic’s theory is that foreign policy decisions ARE important to the future of the country.
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I find it funny that Bitter wants to hold Trump accountable for his words, his positions, and his lifestyle but doesn’t think he should be accountable for whom he picks for VP.
IF Trump loses the election because JD Vance lost him more votes than gained (still to be determined) then the fault lies with Trump himself, not the voters.
If, using Bitter’s favorite example, Trump loses PA by one vote, it won’t be my fault, it will be his.
He picked Vance because he wanted a yes man, rather than someone who would add to his base. That is on him.
If it works out he gets the credit. If it doesn’t, he gets the blame.
No free lunch.
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A lot of Silicon Valley liberals have seen the light like Shanahan. It has helped Trump financially. But I imagine the majority are still supporting Kamala.
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Not going to start a new thread, but here is a completely garbage ActiVote poll of MICHIGAN
https://www.activote.net/harris-and-trump-essentially-tied-in-michigan/
Trump 50 / Harris 50
But was a MONTH long poll, 7/28-8/28 against only 400 likely voters.
and the raw party ID started out at D64 / R20 / I16. Full Stop. Its garbage right there and they should not have tried to salvage it. But they reweighted to D55 / R30 / I15 and they got a tie out of it.
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Zzzzzzz You fight the fight you are in. It’s Trump or Harris. Trump can’t vote in PA. Jason can but won’t.
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As Bongino says, “Big people do big things” and “Little people do little things.” Voting for Trump isn’t even a big thing, it is the only logical thing to do.
Taking your toys and going home because you didn’t get your way….it doesn’t make you “Big people”
I haven’t heard one thing from Vance that suggests he embraces an isolationist agenda.
Show me any evidence that Vance embraces an isolationist agenda.
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I personally think most things will stay the same whether Harris or Trump win. However, one thing will be different. Ukraine will be hung out to dry if Trump wins. Harris will continue to support Ukraine fully. I’ll throw my support to Harris. No surprise.
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Can we PLEASE concentrate on what we agree one”
Unfortunately, there is very little we agree on, let’s get real.
The R party has been taken over by isolationists and populists. Whether this was good or bad for the future of the party is still to be determined, but I myself have made the point the “traditional” suburban based GOP could not survive if it did not become a working class party with a populist message. So it’s not that I ignore reality.
But there is no place for people like me who were attracted to the GOP as the party of limited government, free trade, free enterprise, free markets, personal responsibility and the will to protect our interests wherever, whenever, and whatever it took. Neither Trump nor Vance have any interest in these ideals and neither do most GOP voters.
Some people here like to pretend we are all on the same side, really, but we aren’t.
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Show me any evidence that Vance embraces an isolationist agenda.”
Wow, wins the “I haven’t been paying attention award for 2024”
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Taking your toys and going home because you didn’t get your way”
Zzzzzzz……
DW tries the school playground 101 argument.
Sad.
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I seriously doubt Vance is losing votes as more people hear and get to know him. Also, there are so many more issues of importance at stake in this election, other than Ukraine. To put your vote on the line for one issue alone is beyond having tunnel vision. However, tunnel vision does describe one or two people posting here. In the meantime the Harris/Walz deception show finally gets an interview tomorrow on CNN. Hopefully people will see through their dishonest performance.
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Trump or Harris?
limited government?
TRUMP.
Harris would turn the nation into a remake of the Soviet Union.
free trade?
TRUMP
Harris wants to fix prices at your local grocery store!
free enterprise?
TRUMP
Harris wants the government to take over patents and kill creativity.
free markets?
TRUMP
Harris wants the government to take over the entire economy.
personal responsibility?
TRUMP
Harris wants to reward those who have acted without any personal responsibility
the will to protect our interests?
TRUMP
Harris will only protect the interests of nations and influencers trying to wipe us out.
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So jason its a clean sweep for TRUMP on all the issues you say you hold to. Welcome to the team!
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All kinds of technical gobbledygook issues. New Chrome book to replace dead laptop. Phone somehow locked me out. Password issues with phone and new Chromebook and with this Word Press HHR site.
Chromebook refuses to recognize wireless printer
Chromebook won’t let me post comments on here.
Finally resolved phone issues. Using phone to comment here.
Other than that I am all good.
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But I am ok with DW calling me “little people”.
I guess I am in good company, there are more of us than “big people” like DW.
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“DW tries the school playground 101 argument.”
Not sad. TRUE. That’s why I said it. You still have not provided proof that Vance has an isolationist agenda.
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DW is the new version of Pravda at HHR.
He poses the questions and gives the answers himself.
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“You still have not provided proof that Vance has an isolationist agenda”
LOL
The proof is every speech he gives. The proof is just about every vote he took in the Senate. The proof is his Ron Paul foreign policy agenda, which Vic correctly framed as based on cowardice.
if you don’t think Vance is a an isolationist, you have blinders on.
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I wanted Youngkin. Had Trump picked Youngkin, Virginia would be in Trump’s column right now. Instead he picked Vance. I don’t like it. Now its doing things the hard way. But I am still going to vote for Trump to avoid Harris/Walz.
And yes, Big people understand the world in which they live and vote to better it. Little people throw tantrums and take their toys and go home and leave shaping the world to others.
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So where are your links and your proof? Where is the proof he has an isolationist agenda?
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” I seriously doubt Vance is losing votes as more people hear and get to know him”
Well, then you have nothing to worry about, do you?
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Ok, DW is a “big person” who “understands the world” and I am a “little person” who doesn’t.
I guess we can move.
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Where is the proof he has an isolationist agenda?”
If you are that ignorant, I can’t help you.
But just google “JD Vance isolationist agenda” and you will find plenty of “proof”.
Happy reading and see you back in about 2 weeks. Come and see us once in awhile on breaks.
Oh, and don’t forget to remind us what a “big person” you are.
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I guess I should have kept quiet LOL…
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Welcome back Walt.
I get disconnected every other day and have to log in again on WP.
It’s a pain but look, there are the rules from the “Big People”.
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”Some people here like to pretend we are all on the same side, really, but we aren’t.”
Looking for perfection usually leaves you wanting and getting very little in return. Even Reagan applied a ratio of being satisfied with a percentage of what he initially asked for. And, when you compare the choices for 2024, there is virtually nothing appealing about Harris/Walz, while the alignment of issues Trump/Vance stands for are anchoring our constitutional, inalienable rights, securing peace, and supplying opportunity for all. Walking away from that is foolish.
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I don’t think adds a single voter to Trump. But Trump felt it was critical to get 100% of his base rather than adding any women or Independents.
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It’s ok Vic, you are a good guy. I think you and I are actually on the same side.
And since you are voting for Trump, you are also a “Big Person”.
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Jason needs Trump to win. Otherwise, I will blame him for everything Harris does and says.
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Walt, I hate to break it to you, but since you are not voting for Trump either you are a “little person” like me.
I know, this must hurt even more than when Genghis Khan demoted you from Orlok (Mongol field marshall) to Touman (Mongol baron).
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And btw, the Big Person above claimed Trump is better than Kamala on a lot of issues.
I don’t disagree. Kamala is a Marxist who does want to transform the US into a one party state.
But I do disagree that Trump is a defender of limited government, free trade, free enterprise, free markets, personal responsibility and of American interests around the world.
He doesn’t believe in ANY of that.
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Otherwise, I will blame him for everything Harris does and says.”
Damm, that is a lot for a little person to bear.
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Okay, that google search returned something from Euronews, Euroctiv, and Time Magazine with the headline “Why Donald Trump and J.D. Vance Aren’t Really Isolationists”
Then there is National Review not surprisingly trying hard to say he’s an isolationist, and then a Newsweek headline that says, “For All the Talk of ‘Isolationism,’ Vance Beats the Drums of War”
Bottom line is there is a balance to strike between protecting our own interests in isolation and spending ourselves into oblivion trying to be the world-wide police force.
Vance might draw the line on that balance in a slightly different place than you jason, but that doesn’t mean he has an isolationist agenda. If he became president and had to go to war, he would do it. But this issue is only ONE of many issues, and on this issue, Vance is light-years ahead of the Harris/Walz. But there is still no evidence that HE has an isolationist agenda.
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securing peace”
Sorry, Neville Janzam.
But appeasement and surrender don’t secure peace, never have.
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“Kamala is a Marxist who does want to transform the US into a one party state.”
The little person above is starting to get it.
“Big people do big things and little people do little things.”
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Trump had talked about a big tariff unless he’s flipped on that one.
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Jason, I am aligned with you on 98% of the issues. Bitter, I am aligned with you on 98% of teh issues, DW, I am aligned with you on 98% of the issues, Walt…well I defer to him in all given his experience since the dawn of time…Tina, I like, and I think secretly we are aligned on 95% of the issues, Jan probably 90%+…etc etc etc
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I believe independents are leaning more towards Trump. Women are a tough group because of how abortion has been so distorted by Dems. However, those women concerned about economics, puberty blocking drugs, kitchen table issues tend to eventually side with republicans.
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The premise that if you don’t support endless $$ to the Ukraine means you are automatically an across the board “isolationist” isn’t something I buy into. We don’t have endless resources. They need to be allocated carefully. Priorities.
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DW, if you don’t admit Vance is an isolationist then you have zero credibility.
It is one thing to say well yes, he IS an isolationist, but the stakes are higher, which is Bitter’s point.
But to deny this guy is an isolationist is like denying the sky is blue.
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Arguing with Jason is like having tires stuck in mud – all they do is spin. I’ve got work to do as there’s nothing happening here!
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you said he has an “isolationist agenda.” Please provide me the link to his Agenda web page where he outlines his “Isolationist Agenda.”
Or maybe its just that he draws the line in a little different place than you. If he doesn’t have this Isolationist Agenda outlined somewhere, then I see no point in calling him an Isolationist just because he wants to pull back on the spending.
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believe independents are leaning more towards Trump.”
Excellent.
I am glad he doesn’t even need my vote, so we can move on.
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Please provide me the link to his Agenda web page where he outlines his “Isolationist Agenda.”
LOL
I will give you “clown of the day” for that one.
This is like saying Kamala is not a Marxist because you can’t find her “Marxist agenda” on her website.
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In an interview this week with Bloomberg Businessweek, Trump said Taiwan “should pay us for defense,” according to a transcript released by the media outlet Tuesday. The former president also suggested that the US would struggle to defend the island because of distance, saying “Taiwan is 9,500 miles away. It’s 68 miles away from China.”
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Or maybe its just that he draws the line in a little different place than you”
Nah. Please don’t insult me and pretend I have anything in common with JD Vance when it comes to protecting our geopolitical interests.
We are on completely opposite ends of the spectrum.
A “little different” my ass.
Vance is on record as saying “I don’t care what happens to Ukraine”. Look it up.
Anyone that ignorant should not be President.
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“JD Vance is most anti-Ukrainian Senator in the US. Aside from his 100% anti-Ukrainian voting record, he goes above and beyond to promote Russian narratives: Ukraine cannot win, Ukraine should cede land to end the war, Ukraine is corrupt and the US is writing it blank checks. He went as far as repeating the fake story about Zelensky’s yacht.”
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Vance is just another pro-Putin lapdog.
You can put lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig.
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Picking Vance probably keeps Trump alive. Less of a chance the power elites have Trump assassinated if Vance is VP. Kill Trump and they’ll have a similar President who will also get in their way. Had he picked a Nikki Haley or someone like her they’d have every incentive to have Trump taken out. She and people like her are one of them.
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Vance is an isolationist. We must elect Trump to save America. Both can be true.
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Good.
“Alaska’s own Sarah Palin is back in the news. On Wednesday, the Second Circuit Court of Appeals granted her request for a new trial in her defamation suit against the New York Times over a 2017 editorial that incorrectly linked her to a mass shooting.”
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Not a bad point, Phil.
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Vance is an isolationist.”
Be careful, Bitter, DW might put you in the “little people” category.
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Not worried. I fight the fight I am in. It’s going to be Trump or Harris and I will not accept Harris without voting to stop her.
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Post of the day from Phil. It’s un checked and nobody can tell you what went to the grifter, or to the military, or ended up in the hands of a third party.
The premise that if you don’t support endless $$ to the Ukraine means you are automatically an across the board “isolationist” isn’t something I buy into. We don’t have endless resources. They need to be allocated carefully. Priorities.
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“I will give you ‘clown of the day’ for that one”
Nah, you don’t have to give away the prize you worked so hard to earn.
Saying Vance has an “isolationist agenda’ is not much different that the other side saying the “neo-cons love war, more war, and forever wars!”
You slap a hyperbolic label on the potential veep candidate, and then when he was picked, you pack up your toys and go home. Big people do big things, and little people do little things.
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https://x.com/stillgray/status/1828597025346076993?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1828597025346076993%7Ctwgr%5E539acb77d0beec90cae6cdec2c671432ee561ba2%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2024%2F08%2Fmother-all-community-notes-pro-kamala-media-spin%2F
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https://x.com/PhilHollowayEsq/status/1828809855265853634/photo/1
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Here is a key to accounting for the military aid to Ukraine. Every dead or maimed Russian soldiers and destroyed Russian vehicles, aircraft, and vessels confirms that U.S. aid was used for its intended purpose.
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Yeah, it’s a tough call. If you have Jason’s reservations about Trump’s foreign policy or protectionist trade policies I can see withholding my vote. On the other hand, I see Bitter’s view as well. Harris is such a disaster on the border, taxes, the military, wokeness, fracking, green new deal (the list goes on and on) she has to be stopped even if you have to hold your nose and vote for Trump. That’s where I come off. Different strokes though. Of course, it doesn’t make that much difference how I vote in my state one way or the other. Texas is red.
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https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/just-in-legal-expert-identifies-land-mine-in-jack-smiths-new-indictment-mstef/
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Notice how every time trump pulls ahead of quemala, this blog goes Muh Ukraine 24/7?
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Zzzzzzzz. We have arguing over Ukraine since before the original HHR went under.
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I absolutely agree Putin is 100% responsible for this war. He is evil. He is 100% responsible for 100% of every man, woman and child in Ukraine who has been killed in this war. Putin is 100% responsible for every Russian man, woman and child so senselessly killed.
I support spending to end Putin’s war, as it seems abundantly obvious to me that he’s trying to rebuild the Soviet Union, and its in the world’s best interest to stop him.
Others disagree entirely or in part, but this issue is but ONE issue among numerous issues that will be directly impacted by this election. I can agree to disagree on this issue. But saying that Vance has an isolationist agenda, means that there is an agenda. If that agenda exists, it should be documented, something I can sit down and read. If its just that Vance doesn’t want to spend in Ukraine, I would personally disagree, but I wouldn’t accuse him of having an isolationist agenda any more than I would accuse supporters of Ukraine funding of loving wars and wanting endless wars.
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good post DW
BTW, women who are going to the polls because abortion is their number one issue, also are in full support of puberty blocking drugs, child sex change, and the entire “agenda”
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“I haven’t heard one thing from Vance that suggests he embraces an isolationist agenda.”
-DW is exactly right, of course, as jason hasn’t linked to Vance’s words, including the context in which he stated them, to show that he is an “isolationist”.
It’s the same crap jason traffics about Trump being an “isolationist” now, and in 2016. He does not show the proof, he just repeats it over and over.
I have asked repeatedly – what overseas interests has Trump relinquished which is proof that he is actually an isolationist?
jason has not responded at all to the above.
I actually gave him some help in the past, mentioning Trump withdrawing some troops from Syria and allowing Russia to go in there with the Wagner Group mercenaries. Some could make an argument that it was wrong to do that, BUT, I would not consider it a move of an isolationist, to withdraw from an area without clear objectives, to place more emphasis on Saudi Arabia, Israel, and the countries who were willing to participate in the Abraham (Benjamin, for “CG”) Accords.
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I support aid to Ukraine. I also know that UKR cannot win in the sense that aside from inflicting terrible casualties on the Russian army and perhaps pushing the invaders back to the borderlands, it lacks the resources – both in men and materiel – to take the war deep into Russia and occupy large Russian cities and industrial zones. Thus, Putin will never be truly defeated, only held back, by Zelensky; Putin’s defeat has to come from within, and if that hasn’t happened by now, I don’t think it’s likely. This last distinction is important. If, and its a big IF, an agreement can be negotiated whereby UKR is left largely intact and Russia can get a few face saving concessions (but not things that will aid them later to restart the war), then such a course should be charted. Sustaining the war when it can only grind further into stalemate helps no one, and kills just as many Ukrainians as it does Russians (and as usually is the case, there are more Russians than their opponents). If anyone could plausibly negotiate such an agreement, it’s going to be Trump since the Dems don’t care how many dead wind up on either side, they now have a reason to wrap the American flag around themselves and proclaim that they are patriotic after years of hating the military and the use of force.
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When did Doltz say that red counties are made up mostly of “rocks and cows?”
He is the gift that keeps on giving.
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“Show me any evidence that Vance embraces an isolationist agenda.”
Wow, wins the “I haven’t been paying attention award for 2024””
-Still haven’t seen one link from jason…….they are so plentiful but none to be linked to…..
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Fraudcis bff, won’t be able to show any links to support the claim about Vance. Vance was not my first choice, but he has been doing well.
The poster will just default to “pooty poot” or Muh Ukraine.
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from dictionary.com
agenda: a list, plan, outline, or the like, of things to be done, matters to be acted or voted upon, etc.:
I am waiting for the link to Vance’s web page where he posts the list, plan, outline or the like of isolationist things to be done and acted upon.
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“Be careful, Bitter, DW might put you in the “little people” category.”
Not at all. Bitter has said he’s voting Trump. That’s what I said Big People do. They do the right thing even when there are reservations.
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Typed in “Vance isolationism” – getting opinion pieces from WPO, NY Times, NPR, Politico, etc.
Did find this – “He has championed legislation to bolster oversight of the Pentagon’s end-use monitoring program for weapons sent to Kyiv since the war with Russia began in February 2022. And he has said repeatedly that Europe needs to play a greater role in its own security.”
Yup, he is an “isolationist”…..of course, that is different from an isolationist. Imagine a Senator worrying about how we spend American tax $$$!
As Greta/jason would say “How DARE YOU!?!?”
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agenda: a list, plan, outline, or the like, of things to be done, matters to be acted or voted upon, etc.:”
Zzzz……voodoo semantics.
If Vance says he “doesn’t care what happens to Ukraine” and votes always to deny aid, and says he is against aid, it is perfectly fine to say he has an anti-Ukraine agenda.
Try harder, that dog won’t hunt.
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“Typed in “Vance isolationism” – getting opinion pieces from WPO, NY Times, NPR, Politico, etc.”
-Same pieces say “Trump picks a like-minded “isolationist”” (YES, I put the word isolationist in “quotes”!). What garbage!
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Greta/jason now saying Vance has “anti-Ukraine agenda” instead of writing “he is an isolationist”….next thing we know, Kamala will want to BUILD THE WALL!
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Senator worrying about how we spend American tax $$$!”
Zzzz… as if Trump ever worried about how to spend $$$.
Oh wait, he just “signed” those trillion dollar boondoggles.
But you are right “Europe has to spend more on its defense” is just code for I am an anti-NATO isolationist.
Thanks for making my point.
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words have meaning. The dictionary documents common usage. Common usage says that “agenda” is a list, plan or outline. If its true that somewhere Vance said he “doesn’t care what happens to Ukraine” and that wasn’t taken out of context, then he’s wrong. We all should care about Ukraine, the question of funding aside. But saying that is no reason to withhold your vote for Trump.
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Now Greta/jason is on to “just code”!
Next stop, Dog Whistle, PA!!
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“Like minded isolationist”
Exactly right.
Trump didn’t pick Vance because he would add anything to the ticket.
He picked him because he wanted a “like minded isolationist”.
And if he loses the election because Vance loses him more votes than gains, it’s on him.
I won’t vote to put Vance a heartbeat away from the presidency.
If that makes me a “little person” I will wear the distinction proudly.
If to be big person like DW you have to have your head up Putin’s ass, no thank you.
Little person fits fine.
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“If its true that somewhere Vance said he “doesn’t care what happens to Ukraine”
Do you want to make a bet on it?
Come on, Big Person, put your money where your mouth is.
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“Oh wait, he just “signed” those trillion dollar boondoggles.”
-Legislation/”boondoggles” passed by how many congressional Republicans?
Our government has checks and balances. I’ve said repeatedly, both Trump, and Bush from 2001-2009, should have vetoed MANY of the bills sent to them by Republican congresses.
Trump and Bush did not write the bills themselves…….but you already know that.
Get off the train at Dog Whistle, PA, Greta.
Vote for Trump/Vance or vote to abdicate responsibility, like a child running home to mommy.
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Here is the bet.
If JD Vance didn’t say ““I’m going to be honest, I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another” i give $1000 to a charity of your choice.
If he did say it, you donate $1000 to the York Co. ASPCA.
Deal?
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Still waiting for a link which shows Vance is an isolationist…….as Yukon Cornelius would say “Nothin’!”
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Ah yes, context.
I am still waiting for xenophobic moron NYC to explain the “context” of “you should go back from where you came from”.
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Heh! Greta is going with one sentence! That is the amount of evidence needed to show someone is an “isolationist”!
Are you kidding me!?!?
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jason says THIS:
“If to be big person like DW you have to have your head up Putin’s ass, no thank you.”
after I said THIS:
“I absolutely agree Putin is 100% responsible for this war. He is evil. He is 100% responsible for 100% of every man, woman and child in Ukraine who has been killed in this war. Putin is 100% responsible for every Russian man, woman and child so senselessly killed.”
you can’t make this stuff up!
You are a little person because you stand aside and let the country go into marxism because you didn’t get your way on the veep pick.
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Back to “you’re a racist!”.
Go cook a steak, Greta…….I mean a BullsheotBurger!
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If its true that somewhere Vance said he “doesn’t care what happens to Ukraine” and that wasn’t taken out of context, then he’s wrong.”
Why is he wrong?
Because it is isolationist drivel?
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So do we have a bet?
Dogs are hungry.
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DW:
“I absolutely agree Putin is 100% responsible for this war. He is evil. He is 100% responsible for 100% of every man, woman and child in Ukraine who has been killed in this war. Putin is 100% responsible for every Russian man, woman and child so senselessly killed.”
JD Vance:
“I’m going to be honest, I don’t really care what happens to Ukraine one way or another”
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Ok, enough.
jason wants to make a bet about 1 thing somebody said, as opposed to actually showing evidence as to why he is accusing someone of being an isolationist.
Dog Whistle, PA next stop! Check your b*llsheot before you get off!
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You are a little person because you stand aside and let the country go into marxism because you didn’t get your way on the veep pick.”
Goebbels would be proud of you repeating this lie over and over, but it has nothing with me not “getting my pick”.
I never said I wouldn’t vote for Trump if he didn’t pick my choice.
I said I wouldn’t vote for a ticket with Vance, Haley or Vivek on it. I said it for months, contrary to your lie about a “hasty ultimatum”.
GFY.
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Support for Israel, Taiwan, Abraham Accords etc etc etc….proof of NADA.
Doesn’t like Ukraine – ISOLATIONIST!
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jason wants to make a bet about 1 thing somebody said,”
No. I want to make a bet because DW is casting doubt on it and making some BS claim about “out of context”.
Let’s see him man up and take the bet.
And it is not what “somebody” said. It is what JD Vance said.
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Someone send Greta a conductor cap. Next time thru Lancaster he can go see Thomas & Friends.
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so you freely admit you are going to stand by and let your country go into marxism and not try to stop it.
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So NYC, have you come up with the “context” yet for your racist xenophobic statement yet.
It’s been a couple months, can’t you think of anything?
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Too funny, Greta!
Appreciate you voting downballot for all of the other candidates.
Of course, if Harris/Walz get in, they will be neutered by dictates sent down to them from their rulers…….but at least you got to define “isolationist” in your own way.
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“and let your country go into marxism”
There is more than one threat to the country, it is not only marxism.
Are you freely going to put a dangerous isolationist with sophomoric and naive views about our adversaries?
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“Context” in quotes is the correct way to write it, as nothing I wrote was racist or xenophobic.
You are a baby, like Greta.
Dog Whistle, PA next stop!
Is that “code” for anything, in your little mind?
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“There is more than one threat to the country, it is not only marxism.”
I take that as a yes. Thanks. I know which side you are on.
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“Are you freely going to put a dangerous isolationist with sophomoric and naive views about our adversaries?”
Heh!
Obama/Biden/Harris/Walz foreign policy is the alternative!
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but at least you got to define “isolationist” in your own way.”
This is true.
I define an isolationist as someone who views the world from an extremely narrow viewpoint and is naive and unaware of the threats our enemies pose, and fails to understand America is not an economic island, and that without global trade and at least a measure of global stability which America as a superpower has traditionally enforced, there will be no peace and prosperity here either.
I believe JD Vance fits that “definition”.
I think that anyone that disagrees has not really listened to his speeches and followed his votes.
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I feel like I’m in the twilight zone, and yes Bitter, I realize this is HHR1.0 for the past 16+ years but holy cow…talk about getting hung up on semantics. Lol
worst part is everyone here is equally aligned with believing Konrad Kamala is bad for the country
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I am in agreement with DW that month-long polls are worthless. Kumbala.
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in your little mind?”
Ah yes, NYC has picked up on the “little’ theme. “Little person”, “little mind”.
A “big person” with a “big mind” doesn’t believe JD Vance is an isolationist.
Got it.
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as nothing I wrote was racist or xenophobic.”
Still waiting for the “context” of “go back from where you came from”.
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So Vic, do you think Vance is an isolationist?
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No, I said a BIG person does the right thing and votes for Trump to stop marxism, even with reservations against either him or his veep. Whether or not you believe Vance is an isolationist has nothing to do with whether or not you are going to vote to stop marxism. But you have already said which side you are on. You aren’t going to try to stop marxism.
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jason you didn’t just say he was an isolationist, you said he has an isolationist agenda. I am still waiting for the link to his web page where that agenda is outlined.
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I believe this is a good definition that goes beyond the word isolationist the way it’s been used
I define an isolationist as someone who views the world from an extremely narrow viewpoint and is naive and unaware of the threats our enemies pose, and fails to understand America is not an economic island, and that without global trade and at least a measure of global stability which America as a superpower has traditionally enforced, there will be no peace and prosperity here either.
here. People are defining isolationism as not supporting unlimited funding to Ukraine. Your definition is way more accurate and traditional
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So DW, do we have a bet or are you going to stand on the “the quote doesn’t exist” or it is “out of context”
A “big person” like you shouldn’t be afraid to put his money where his mouth is.
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Brett Baier promised a set of Fox swing state polls tonight at 6. I am assuming they will be post-DNC, post-RFK endorsement.
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https://thefederalist.com/2024/08/27/under-tim-walz-minnesota-banned-christians-from-teaching-in-public-schools/
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your definition is why I have, and had, reservations about Vance and I hope he comes ours and demonstrates he does not follow the definition. You gave.
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“Effective July 2025, teacher licensing rules passed last year in Minnesota under Democrat Gov. Tim Walz will ban practicing Christians, Jews, and Muslims from teaching in public schools. Walz is now the presidential running mate of current U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris. His resume includes a stint as a high school social studies teacher who sponsored a student queer sex club in 1999.”
from the article I linked
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kumbaya
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jason, go back and read it. I ASKED if that quote was legit and if it was in context, and admitted freely that if he said it and it was in context, he was wrong. That doesn’t mean he has an isolationist agenda. I never said “the quote doesn’t exist” those are YOUR words, not mine.
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you said he has an isolationist agenda.”
Yes, he does.
Call it platform, ideal, plan, program, etc.
His agenda is isolationism, meaning he believes in it and if he is in office he will promote it.
However, the reason you are whining about the definition is exactly because it has a negative connotation.
So for the same reason that Kamala does not publish a Marxist agenda on her website, JD Vance is not going to say “I am an isolationist” on his website.
But he has an isolationist agenda just like Kamala has a Marxist agenda.
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your definition is why I have, and had, reservations about Vance and I hope he comes ours and demonstrates he does not follow the definition. You gave.”
Come on, Vic, the reason you have “reservations” is because you think he IS an isolationist.
Yes or no?
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Tina:
I didn’t read the link. But I assume Muslims can bow to Mecca in the teacher break room. They just can’t in the classroom. That’s how it is at the public school’s in Illinois as well.
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Like Vic, I have never once been a Vance cheerleader. Quite the opposite. I wanted Youngkin. But I don’t always get what I want, so I could either pack up my toys and go home, or I can vote to get what I can and stop Marxism. My biggest beef with Vance is his overall lack of experience, but I have yet to see his “isolationist agenda”
But to throw away my chance to stop Harris/Walz is unthinkable. I voted for McCain to stop Obama, even though I despise McCain. I voted for Romney too even though I cannot stand him.
This election is our last chance. One-party socialist rule will be the result if Trump fails.
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VictrC,
The definition jason wrote is different than his reasons given for calling BOTH Trump and Vance “isolationists”.
He called Trump an “isolationist” back in 2016, and still does, despite the 4 years of his Presidency showing that was WRONG, in a big way.
Now he is calling Vance the same thing and giving as proof one sentence about Ukraine.
That is sophomoric and naive.
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and I hope he comes ours and demonstrates he does not follow the definition”
Earlier Bitter said “hope is not a strategy”.
Not sure why anyone would expect him not to follow his agenda.
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I also will assume that a teacher could read the Bible in the class room during downtime. But they can’t read the Bible out loud unless it is perhaps a comparative religious studies class.
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Miami Herald poll says Miami-Dade County is tied, meaning Florida is unlikely a swing state:
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article291590460.html
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Where is the agenda? An agenda is a list or outline by definition. Newt Gingrich published the contract with America. It was an agenda one could read. From wiki: “The Contract with America was a legislative agenda advocated by the Republican Party during the 1994 congressional election campaign.”
Please provide the link to Vance’s isolationist agenda.
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He called Trump an “isolationist” back in 2016, and still does, despite the 4 years of his Presidency showing that was WRONG, in a big way.”
LOL
Trump for 4 years implemented stupid tariffs and trade wars on a self defeating trade policy borrowed from the failed AFL-CIO agenda of the last 70 years.
WRONG?
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Please provide the link to Vance’s isolationist agenda”
Just google it and there are hundreds of articles on his isolationist agenda.
Like I said, nobody says “I am an isolationist” so that is an idiotic straw argument.
But you know that, now just grasping at straws.
Do we have a bet, or has Mr. Big Person chickened out?
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why do you keep asking me for a bet against something I never said? You put words in my mouth and demand I defend them? Go do something to yourself.
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and I did google it and I got a whole bunch of mixed results including articles that said he was beating war drums.
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An “agenda” doesn’t have to be a published list.
Financial Times Headline
JD Vance lays out protectionist agenda at Republican convention
https://www.ft.com/content/a5b21211-6460-419b-aa80-545a793f6ed2
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So, China is waiting for the right time to invade Taiwan. Likely won’t be for a few years. When the time comes, will all agree to defend Taiwan. Or is Taiwan worth a major war.
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why do you keep asking me for a bet against something I never said?”
Nah, don’t be a liar Mr. Big Man.
Your own words.
“If its true that somewhere Vance said he “doesn’t care what happens to Ukraine” and that wasn’t taken out of context, then he’s wrong”
So you cast doubt on what I said and further suggested it was out of context.
No weaseling out on it now, or admit you are a liar.
Do we have a bet or not?
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I do have reservations about Vance because the things I have read, and his quotes from the past align with the Ron Paul foreign policy, or lack therefore. I hope he has changed and voices that change. He has yet to discuss foreign policy since being nominated.
despite that. I will vote for the ticket because I can not fathom a Harris administration. It will be decimating for the country
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some good news out there today…
SCOTUS Hands Biden Another Loss on Student Loan Bailout
and FL is upheld in its decision to ban tricking little boys into getting their private parts cut off, forever sterilizing them.
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I guess Mr. Big Person won’t even own up to what he wrote.
Showing great character there, Mr. Big Person.
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I do have reservations about Vance because the things I have read, and his quotes from the past align with the Ron Paul foreign policy,”
See DW, it isn’t very hard to admit the truth.
So you can vote for JD Vance if you want for the same reason Vic will, but let’s not pretend this guy is not a rabid isolationist.
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New thread loaded for 6:00 pm.
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jason, you need meds. Seriously. Can you even read?
“If its true that somewhere Vance said he “doesn’t care what happens to Ukraine” and that wasn’t taken out of context, then he’s wrong”
I said very plainly, and I meant it, that if its true he said that, then he’s wrong.
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“If its true”
“wasn’t taken out of context”
I bet it is true and wasn’t taken out of context.
If its not true and/or was taken out of context you win.
Deal?
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I said very plainly, and I meant it, that if its true he said that, then he’s wrong.”
Nah, no trying to slither out of this one. That is not the bet.
You cast doubt on what I said and suggested further it was out of context.
If you really think then you should man up and take the bet.
Otherwise just admit you were blowing smoke out your ass and being dishonest.
Take your pick
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yeah, that’s exactly what one says if one is unfamiliar with a particular quote and is conceding the point, but not wanting to concede if there is a chance it was taken out of context. I conceded that Vance was wrong if he said he didn’t care about Ukraine and if that statement wasn’t taken out of context. Not sure what’s so hard for you to understand about this.
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I did not cast any doubt on it. And you were the one who kept putting words into my mouth.
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“Nah, don’t be a liar Mr. Big Man.”
-DW has been morphed into janz, Tina, myself or so many others, so quickly that I may think that Kamala WILL build the wall!
jason is like Oprah – You’re a liar! And You’re a liar, AND You’re a liar! Racist Racist Racist!
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DW – just sayin’ “Welcome to the club!”
You are now officially in the GretaWinfreyClub!
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Like I said earlier, I am fine with moving on from how I will vote. In my view everyone should vote their conscience and follow their best judgment with the information they have available on the candidates at the time.
But if someone wants to bring it up, I will be happy to respond.
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-DW has been morphed into janz, Tina, myself or so many others, so quickly that I may think that Kamala WILL build the wall!”
Zzzzzzz….
Liars, racists and xenophobes LOVE company.
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conceded that Vance was wrong if he said he didn’t care about Ukraine and if that statement wasn’t taken out of context. Not sure what’s so hard for you to understand about this.”
Wow, the Big Person is really being a dishonest jerk.
There is no “IF” here.
If you think there is an “if” or that I quoted it out of context, take the bet.
If not just weasel out and admit you are a liar.
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“Liars, racists and xenophobes LOVE company.”
-That deserves an LOL!
Dog Whistle, PA next stop!
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People can write any trash they want on a blog, DW is a good example.
That is why I like making bets.
When someone writes something blatantly dishonest, but then won’t accept a bet that proves or disproves it, it shows their character.
DW fails miserably.
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Dog Whistle, PA next stop!”
You need new material.
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So at the end of the day, no minds are changed.
I am still not voting for a ticket with JD Vance, whether his isolationist agenda has a published list or whether it is just the meme of his speeches, interviews and votes.
I have an idea there are other conservatives and independents that feel the same way, but Janzam assures us this is not the case, Indies are “moving” to Trump. We will see.
NYC is still a racist xenophobic moron.
And life goes on at HHR.
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So at the end of the day, no minds are changed.
And Harris appreciates Jason’s support.
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So since DW weaseled out of the bet, I will go ahead and prove he would have lost.’
https://x.com/shannonrwatts/status/1515085977282220032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1515168954066612224%7Ctwgr%5E2698dc11d0567b43f0af482566a188698298f84e%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsweek.com%2Fvideo-trump-backed-vance-saying-he-doesnt-care-about-ukraine-resurfaces-1698442
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jason is the dishonest one here. Putting words in my mouth and then demand I defend them. Once again, my comment:
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If its true that somewhere Vance said he “doesn’t care what happens to Ukraine” and that wasn’t taken out of context, then he’s wrong. We all should care about Ukraine, the question of funding aside. But saying that is no reason to withhold your vote for Trump.
—
That is exactly what someone says when one hasn’t heard that particular quote and is conceding the point, if its true and in context.
Anyone with a high-school reading comprehension level can see that.
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So DW, as you can see from the link, there is no IF and no “OUT OF CONTEXT”:
So take your lies and GFY.
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I did not weasel out of any bet jason. I have supported Ukraine all along, and did so in conceding that if Vance said that he did not care about Ukraine that he was wrong.
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And Harris appreciates Jason’s support.”
Zzzz… I don’t support Harris.
But Bitter knows that.
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jason, YOU are the big fat liar.
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Everyone should “vote their con-science”
Spoken like a leftist
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if Vance said that he did not care about Ukraine that he was wrong.”
Still lying?
Not surprising, I guess.
There is no “IF” and “no out of context”
I guess Mr. Big Person can’t admit he blew smoke out his ass and got caught doing it.
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Spoken like a leftist”
Wow, I am a leftist?
That hurts.
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So what do you think of the link, DW?
Was I lying? Was it out of context?
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You are what you are.
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The Fib now claims that soy boy had a “mixture of ideologies”.
Motive for the assassination attempt is “unknown.”
Bs- another reason on why the fib needs to be downsized.
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That is exactly what someone says when one hasn’t heard that particular quote and is conceding the point, if its true and in context.”
You are bald faced liar.
That is exactly what someone who wants to cast doubt on an assertion and suggest they are lying and taking it out of context.
You could have said “show me the quote where he said that”.
But you took a gamble and lost bigly.
Instead of being a “Big Person” and admitting it, you are doubling down on the falsehoods.
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Tina
August 28, 2024 at 5:20 pm
You are what you are.”
That is true.
You, for example, are a fake conservative and Putin lapdog who mostly comes here to regurgitate stupid conspiracy theories you real on garbage sites.
You are what you are.
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Everyone should “vote their con-science”
Spoken like a leftist”
Always some new concept at HHR.
Voting your conscience is now makes you a “leftist”
You gotta love it here.
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I never said that Vance didn’t say that jason. That is abundantly clear by my quoted words:
“If its true that somewhere Vance said he “doesn’t care what happens to Ukraine” and that wasn’t taken out of context, then he’s wrong. We all should care about Ukraine, the question of funding aside. But saying that is no reason to withhold your vote for Trump.”
Those are clearly the words of concession, as anyone with reading comprehension can attest to. THEN HE’S WRONG cannot be clearer. In English grammar, this is an IF/THEN statement. The THEN side of the equation (He’s wrong) is true when the condition is met. The condition was Vance saying this about Ukraine. I never denied or questioned that he said it. I hadn’t heard this quote before. And so I conceded the point, with the caveat, or condition of the truth of the assertion he said it.
This is not hard to comprehend.
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The only fake is you.
Fake R or whatever sheot you claim.
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“But you took a gamble and lost bigly.”
not at all jason. you are being completely silly now.
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I will make this comment. The divisions we see here at HHR are most likely being played out all over the country.
That is good news for Kamala.
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Remember when the free passers said Macaroni was a conservative?
”On Monday, French President Emanuel Macron tweeted out about Durov’s arrest and detention in prison. Macron insists it’s “not politically motivated” and that France really, truly is committed to freedom of expression – if it is approved by the tyrannical government.”-nbc
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Whatever DW.
Look at the link above.
If my interpretation was wrong, say so.
Otherwise just admit you are a liar and a fraud.
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Remember when the free passers said Macaroni was a conservative?”
No, I don’t.
Please remind us who said it, my memory fails me.
Thanks.
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you are the liar and fraud jason. Either that or admit you don’t have very good reading comprehension.
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And so I conceded the point, with the caveat, or condition of the truth of the assertion he said it.”
Liar. Your didn’t concede it at all, you cast doubt on my assertion and came up with a further lie about it being out of context.
But I posted the link.
Suck it. Take your lying innuendos and GFY.
If you want to keep up the lies, you can have the last word. I am done with your BS.
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I am done with your lies. See I promote division here and is good for Amala.
-free passer
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Nowhere in my quote would any reasonable person say that I cast doubt on your assertion jason, or was challenging you to any sort of a bet. I even followed that if/then clause with the assumption the quote was true: “But [Vance] saying that is no reason to withhold your vote for Trump.”
If you were confused about what I said, you could have asked for clarity instead of going into your tirade against me. You can call me every name in the book if you want. But there is only one way to stop Harris, and that is to vote for Trump.
But given you allowed me to have the last word, I will apologize for responding to you in the way I did.
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Nate Silver says race is now back to dead heat:
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Nobody at HHR ever said Macrone is a conservative.
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“I will make this comment. The divisions we see here at HHR are most likely being played out all over the country.”
-Yes, those who rely on evidence to back up their statements (conservatives, Republicans), and those who rely on their feelings (make the accusation about Vance as an isolationist, tell others to disprove it!)
Kamala is happy about the feelings-based individuals.
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Thank You for the last word.
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on to more important stuff. That chart above actually has Kamala winning North Carolina and every single swing state, and trending Dem, including Florida. Wtf
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I hear word of new Fox News battleground polls.
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“on to more important stuff. That chart above actually has Kamala winning North Carolina and every single swing state, and trending Dem, including Florida. Wtf”
-Don’t sweat it.
If that is the case, prepare for it.
Fight Fight Fight until Election Day, and have a backup plan just in case.
How many more Greta’s are out there? If enough to get Kamala elected, we are in deep sheot.
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NEW Fox News Polls live on
@BretBaier
ARIZONA
Harris 50
Trump 49
Gallego 56
Lake 41
GEORGIA
Harris 50
Trump 48
NEVADA
Harris 50
Trump 48
Rosen 55
Brown 41
NORTH CAROLINA
Harris 49
Trump 50
Stein 54
Robinson 43
Aug 23-26 (post-DNC, just after RFK dropout), ±3
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