According to new polling by PPP done for the “Clean and Prosperous America” political action committee. 7/17-7/20, 2583 total voters.
 | MICHIGAN – Public Policy Polling |
| Trump | 46 |
| Harris | 41 |
| Kennedy | 6 |
| Stein | 2 |
 | ARIZONA – Public Policy Polling |
| Trump | 46 |
| Harris | 40 |
| Kennedy | 7 |
| Stein | 1 |
 | PENNSYLVANIA– Public Policy Polling |
| Trump | 45 |
| Harris | 43 |
| Kennedy | 4 |
| Stein | 2 |
 | NORTH CAROLINA– Public Policy Polling |
| Trump | 48 |
| Harris | 44 |
| Kennedy | 2 |
| Stein | 2 |
The Hedgehog Report - Phoenix Edition 
145 responses to “Harris worse off than Biden in MICHIGAN”
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They may need to find another candidate, unless they are sacrificing Kampala. Her polling is worse
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Donald J. Trump
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Lyin’ Kamala Harris, the Biden appointed “Border Czar” who never visited the Border, and whose incompetence gave us the WORST and MOST DANGEROUS Border anywhere in the World, has absolutely terrible pole numbers against a fine and brilliant young man named DONALD J. TRUMP! Be careful what you wish for, Democrats??? MAGA2024
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Trump will keep all of his base and Vance does not add any voters. Harris will keep all of Biden’s base and does not add any voters but at least they are enthused.
So it comes down to the very small segment of voters who have not made up their minds. How it is possible to have not made up their minds by now is a mystery.
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Trump has pounded away on Kampala from the start. Effective.
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Per an nbc pole, Kampala is the most unpopular veep in history? Trump mentioned it in a truth post fwiw
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We are now a conspiracy blog.
-free passer
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From the same PPP polling:
Do you have a Favorable or Unfavorable opinion of…?
Arizona
Trump: 47-49 (-2)
Harris: 38-55 (-17)
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Pennsylvania
Trump: 46-50 (-4)
Harris: 38-54 (-16)
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Michigan
Trump: 44-52 (-8)
Harris: 40-52 (-12)
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North Carolina
Trump: 47-51 (-4)
Harris: 41-51 (-10)
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I see no way blue collar voters are going to support Kamala in the numbers she would need to win. She will lose swing counties in Pa. like Erie because of that. Those working class voters in the rust belt just aren’t going to buy Kamala. Scranton Joe at least had a shot with those voters. Kamala? Forget it.
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Gateway Pundit is more reliable than the Bible. It is the Word of Trump.
– Cult Member
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I guess those ppp poles tie somewhat in to the nbc pole mentioned by trump.
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I see no way to rebrand Kampala the border czar and a partner in the worse administration.
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She owns the border, the crime, the bad economy, inflation etc. it’s her problem now.
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A lot of comedy in that PPP release. For instance the headline:
“Battleground State Surveys Show Harris can Defeat Trump”
Yeah, she can defeat Trump if this survey is completely wrong.
“Trump remains stuck in the mid 40s in the opening multi-candidate ballot tests.”
Well, yeah, but there are third party candidates siphoning off votes, so Trump only needs to get to the mid to high 40s, and this same poll shows Harris barely reaching the 40s in MI and AZ.
But if this is the best PPP can do for Kamala, what will less partisan pollsters show?
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Harris should be asked 2 questions.
1. Why is the U.S. border more open than Disney World?
2. When did you realize Biden was incapable of performing his duties but lied about it to the American people?
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There has been much attention to alleged missteps by Trump. Most of this has come from those who dislike Trump and are therefore prone to focus on what he does wrong.
Two points about that….
First, all candidates make mistakes. Even the candidate of your choice.
Second….Trump was convicted of felonies, was fined $400M+, and survived an assassination attempt. Biden had the worst debate ever and was drummed out of office. Yet the polls have barely moved. Why do we think his next misstep will suddenly cause movement that hasn’t happened yet?
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Here is my early take on each battleground state after the Dems swapped the demented candidate for the cackling one:
1-3 points more blue: MN, CO, VA, NJ, WI
About the same numbers: NV, AZ, NC, GA, NH, ME
1-3 points more red: MI, PA, NM
Harris sures up some of the blue states Biden shouldn’t have put into play, but is not in any better position to win, especially given her weakness in MI and PA.
Things could change, but so far this gambit amounts to re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Omg. Can I like bl’s last post without “liking him?” Oh heck. I just clicked like.
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bl last post.
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you can edit my post black should be bl. Thanks.
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As to Harris and her veep pick, its a dilemma. If she goes hard left with her pick, she has no shot at all in many states, and this could even keep VA in play. Look what happened when the previous VA governor went too far left.
But if she picks an alleged centrist Dem like the KY Governor, then she loses the fringe left and with Stein, Oliver, and in a few states West on the ballot, they will throw their votes away on these candidates.
Probably her best bet is to pick Shapiro, hoping to snag PA, while giving up on MI, hope for a win in WI, and then rely on plumbing problems in Atlanta to steal GA, and that gives her 271.
Its not a great path for her, but its probably her best path.
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and if you haven’t seen this ad, here it is:
https://x.com/MAGAIncWarRoom/status/1815717231466103138
She wants the Boston Marathon Bomber to vote from prison, she claims the border is secure and yet those coming across are all wonderful people.
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Shapiro is Jewish, DW. He helps a little in Pennsylvania although not enough. Alienates the Muslims in Michigan. No good options here.
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I hope she picks Kelly. He is a goofball, and he won’t deliver AZ anyway.
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Done.
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Yeah, Kelly won’t deliver Arizona.
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Thanks.
Breaking. – cheetoh resigns.
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She will not lose any hard left voters. They play to win.
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Phil, oh I know. That’s why I said the pick of Shapiro immediately forfeits Michigan. But IF Shapiro could deliver PA (and I am not sure he can), and IF she could hold WI with its status as the most polarized state in the union with very little in the middle that moves, and IF she can get another plumbing problem in Atlanta to steal GA, then she gets 271, assuming she doesn’t lose NH, ME, NM, VA, or other possibilities. Its not a great path, but from what I can see on the map, its her best shot. I am all ears if someone can propose an easier path for her.
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Tulsi continues to shadow and dog Heels up Harris. She is Kamala’s worst nightmare.
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Agree, DW. Your scenario getting Heels up to 271 is her best shot. A long shot to be sure but her only path.
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Glad she resigned. She should have on Day 1. Horrible failures. One could understand if everything was in place and full security measures were enforced, and everything was done by the book, but some rare circumstance happened that couldn’t have been foreseen resulted in a shot getting through.
But her incompetence led to the situation of Trump being within a few centimeters of being killed, and it resulted in the death of a man in the bleachers.
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2024: FAU/
@MainStUSApolls
🟥 Trump: 49% (+5)
🟦 Harris: 44%
🟥 Trump: 45% (+6)
🟦 Harris: 39%
🟨 RFK Jr: 9%
🟪 Other: 3%
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Generic Ballot
🟥 GOP: 45% (+1)
🟦 DEM: 44%
— 85 (2.0/3.0) | 7/19-21 | 711 LV | ±3.95%
Their most recent poll of Trump vs. Biden was Trump 46, Biden 44.
Kamala worse option.
So far, Jason is right.
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DW, agree, she had to go. In addition to the poor performance of her unit in Butler, the sloped roof comment was enough on it’s own – shows a complete lack of understanding of the job for which she’s responsible.
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Albert Hodges and Chicon make good points.
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Sorry bout my rant last night.
Background as to why: When I taught high school, I made the kids fully understand both sides of an issue, and then make a stand on the issue based on a full understanding of all sides. I did not care if they CHANGED their original views or not. But at the end, they would at least understand the intricacies of the issue from all sides and the decision they made would (hopefully) be more a reasoned and well-thought out one that was not simply based on emotion or on how person X felt about the issue. I had some measure of success in this approach.
When I was in the legislature, I tried same thing with other legislators on issues who were opposed to issue X that I strongly favored. I often found these adults had bad information as to why they opposed X. I tried to educate them on why I was for X. In the end, I had some good results in getting them to understand the issue of X but had less positive results than dealing with the high school teens. Many of the adults, simply refused to truly consider the facts of my position on X, and in the end they remained opposed to X for the same reasons they opposed X in the beginning.
Fast forward to yesterday evening. The missus and I were invited to a social gathering hosted by an In couple from India. Arranged marriage for them in India. Came to U.S. 30 some years ago. Became U.S. citizens. He owns a string of local gas stations /convenience stores. They live in a $900,000 home, their annual income is somewhere in the $450,000 to $740,000 in attendance. They are in their mid to late 50s.
Other married couples in attendance are all 76 -79 years old and included couple who are both retired school principals, another couple retired school principal and classroom teacher. Another couple was retired VMI civil engineer graduate and his retired classroom teacher wife and good friends of ours with whom we vacation together. plus Mrs. Walt and I.
All the other couples live in $600,000 to $1,000,000 homes, have annual incomes in $200,000 to $400,000 range. All are college educated with master’s Degrees (but I have no idea about the education level of the couple from India). At least two couples had other 2nd homes/hunting “cabins”.
Walt and the missus live in a $460,000 home and have income of $130,000. & no second home.
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Everything going well. Then someone brings up POLITICS. I keep my mouth shut. All I hear from 8 of the 9 others is about how bad Trump is. Trump is convicted felon. Trump faked the assassination attempt. How crass for Trump to kiss the fireman’s suit. I even hear one female, retired, long-time principal say, with not one factual example to support it, she thinks “Biden is one of the best presidents ever and has done so much for the country in his 3 1/2 years.” My tongue is nearly bleeding by this time.
I finally, in a nice way, give them my little HHR speech of “I don’t care for either Trump or Biden but it saddens me that people are not looking at the issues (southern border, inflation, taxes, foreign policy, etc. and what candidate best matches our own views but instead focus on other things that deflect from issues.
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The ONLY person who I got a fairly good hint was planning to vote for Trump was the guy from India who owns the convenience stores. And HE was the one who gave a more detailed understanding of the ins and outs of what was happening politically than ANY of the others. Sad.
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I would say 3/4 of all my college educated friends detest Trump and will not vote for him (felon, bad tweets, obnoxious, can’t trust him, womanizer–never about stances on issues). My blue-collar son with only a HS education–without any prompting from me, tells me why he is pro Trump due to specifics on issues A,B,C,D, E and why he detests the Dems.
That put me in a sour mood when I got home and got back on HHR.
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OK. I will now zip my lip.
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One more complaint I need to get off my chest.
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In casual conversation with no context, my wife will tell me something like, “they had to take Nancy to the hospital.” Or “they admitted Priscilla to the Hospice unit.”
WE KNOW MULTIPLE PEOPLE NAMED NANCY AND PRISCILLA.
The missus then gets mad at me when I say “which Nancy?” “Which Priscilla?” and seems frustrated that I cannot read her mind.
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(did I mention that she is ALSO forever not closing interior doors, exterior doors, cabinet doors or securing lids on things properly?)
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Walt – No need to explain. You have always been honest and clear in your statements. I admire your approach to issues even when I fail to live up to it.
You have a long history of working towards meaningful compromise. Getting God to settle on 10 commandments, negotiating Magna Carta, and resolving enough issues to get the Constitution approved was epic.
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No worries, Walt.
It is interesting how being a Trump supporter differs depending on location. I spend time in IL, FL and WI.
Trump supporters in IL (especially the entire Chicago area) are largely closeted and often attend parties such as Walt describes.
In most of Florida, Trump people are socially free to wear Trump on their sleeves and vehicles. Democrat supporters are more closeted.
WI is the ground zero for the big shift ongoing in the Republican party. The three county region near me went Obama (near 60%), Obama (less), Trump (by a little), then Trump by a lot. It will be Trump by more this time. We’ll see if these poorer, more rural areas can outweigh Milwaukee and Madison (and the stout vote fraud machine).
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The Rs cannot let up regarding j-13. They got the scalp, but there is more to the story. The fib is not trusted to investigate
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It is interesting that Walt was at a party with all of the Democrats in WV.
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In suburban Chicago, I feel like every Trump statement will result in friends saying “did you hear X, how can you support that?” It becomes like PTSD, waiting for the next thing to explain. In central WI and most of FL that phenomenon is not present.
It is quite different.
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Walt, I really enjoyed reading about your night with college “friends.” It resembles many evenings my husband and I spent with dear friends who are over the cliff on their leftist ideology. I’ve always blamed this abundance of friends, with opposite political beliefs from us, because of living in CA. Whatever the cause, I related to your ”bleeding tongue” description, as I’ve found it difficult sometimes not to just blast people with verbal truth serum.
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Yikes
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“OK. I will now zip my lip” a few minutes later “One more complaint I need to get off my chest.” 😂😂😂
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It’s good Cheatle resigned. However, her security clearance should be revoked. She also should be subpoenaed to answer for how long SS knew about Biden’s cognitive problems, and what the SS did to accommodate for his senility lapses and problems.
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“It is interesting that Walt was at a party with all of the Democrats in WV.”
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It was a mix of Rs, Indys, and Ds
I will zip my lip about complaining about Trump.
But I will still sit here and roll my eyes when I disapprove,
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“GO TRUMP! BEAT KAMALA LIKE A RENTED RULE!
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Walt, I would look forward to your continued Trump campaign criticisms.
The world has difference.
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Kamala declined to meet with, and view, Netanyahu speech to congress, and most Senate Dems are boycotting.
cross Shapiro off the list. He would throw the Party into even more chaos. I almost now expect a hard left VP.
btw. MSLDS AND CNN were tripping over themselves to praise the inspirational and amazing speech Cackles gave yesterday. I kid you not.
the same woman who got less than 3% of the primary vote is now the second coming of Clinton and FDR rolled into one
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Did I mention that that the ice maker in the fridge continues to pump out ice like there is no tomorrow, even when the ice maker is turned OFF?
The devil is real and I battle him every day.
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“Another day, another dollar” needs to be replaced with
“Another day, another thing broken”
Wife put that on my “to do” list for today.
I think I fixed it until the next time. I never did find out what the broken plastic piece from the ice maker was that fell out last week into the ice bin.
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GO TRUMP! BEAT KAMALA LIKE A DRUM!
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I think Walt and Jason should vote for trump. I think I read that both were not. I always vote for top of the ticket, especially when the opposition is no centrist but a proud leftist, like Kampala
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was that the please clap speech (or some kind of variant)? I am sure the morning transgender and its spouse were joyous.
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im
not sure Tina. I just saw the headline but couldn’t read past paragraph one as it was a pay site
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MSNBC, CNN left ‘blown away,’ with ‘chills’ after Harris’ first campaign speech: ‘Jumping out of my seat’
Vice President Kamala Harris kicked off her presidential campaign on Monday with what some members of the media hailed as a speech that left them with “chills,” “blown away” and arguing over who jumped out of their seat higher.
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if post the rest of the article but I was busy throwing up. The crux of the speech:
””In those [past] roles, I took on perpetrators of all kinds. Predators who abused women, fraudsters who ripped off consumers, cheaters who broke the rules for their own gain. So hear me when I say: I know Donald Trump’s type,” she said.”
so basically orange man bad. Trump supporters bad No substance. No issues
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It’s a known fact the media is always in the bag for Dems. Harris, seen as an insignificant and embarrassingly obtuse VP a mere few weeks ago, is now the smartest most articulate female on the planet, elevated to that platform by the obedient media. Those who only listen to and follow the MSM’s scripted descriptions will see her thru the lens of their falsehoods and lies – hence more dinner parties dominated by progressive claptrap.
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Biden to address nation tomorrow night. Here is a preview summary of his speech:
I was the greatest president since Alexander the Great!
Listen Jack, you are better off than you have ever been! Admit it!
Look, there is so much misinformation out there and I blame the media for not telling the story about how great I am!
Evil forces are at work, and I have been doing all I can to stop them.
I have heroically given all I have, but in the end, I have been forced out due to failing health, even though I was leading in all the polls. Look at how great I am, that I have decided to step aside for the good of the country, even though I was going to win re-election, and I instead leave you with the best and most articulate DEI appointee who has ever lived. She will win by an even greater margin that I was going to win.
Good night, and may Kamala Harris bless America!
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Jason won’t vote because of Vance. Walt won’t vote for the reasons he stated.
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Shapiro is Jewish, DW. He helps a little in Pennsylvania”
He is more than “Jewish”. Bernie Sanders and Chuck Schumer are “Jewish”. Pritzker is “Jewish’.
He is a practicing Conservative (most American Jews are Reform) Kosher keeping Jew who has stated been Jewish is central to his career.
In an interview ahead of the inauguration, Shapiro said the Bibles symbolize how his Jewish faith has and will continue to guide him as he commits to “being a good governor” for Pennsylvanians. “I have made clear that my faith is what called me to service,” he said.
“Shapiro plans to post mezuzahs and have a kosher kitchen in the governor’s official residence”
He has also made the following statements, very opposite to what Kamala has been stating
if Kamala picks him for VP it would be an extraordinary admission that she thinks she is in real trouble. But in my view, she will win or lose for other reasons, not the VP pick.
I certainly agree with Shapiro’s view of Israel and Hamas, but let’s face it, it is not (unfortunately) the view of a lot of under 30 voters who have been migrating to Trump. Shapiro will not reverse that trend.
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One conservative media outlet played some video clips showing Harris’s immigration stances when she was a senator. They included a rude questioning of an ICE agent – an agency she wants gone. She is also for a decriminalization of illegal border crossings and having open borders. IOW, she stands with Biden, if not even more to the left of him, in her immigration sentiments and policies..
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Jan always acts like her views are held by 99.9999% of Americans. I think Harris is a terrible nominee but Democrats don’t.
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“I think Walt and Jason should vote for trump. I think I read that
both were not. I always vote for top of the ticket, especially when
the opposition is no centrist but a proud leftist, like Kampala”
I will vote for the down ballot races, even for Scott Perry who is an anti-Ukraine aid moron.
If you could guarantee me that Vance would never become President, I would vote for Trump. It’s not even that I think he would win in 2028, I don’t think he would.
But Trump is 78 and eats a fast food diet and the most exercise he gets is driving a golf cart.
Too big a risk, sorry.
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”Be unburdened by what has been,” is a phrase often heard in Harris’s meandering word salads. To most they make no sense, but to those aware of Marxist writings, they are meaningful in subtly expressing the theology of Marxism.
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“Too big a risk, sorry.”
But you are ready to take on the risk of Kamala winning PA and with it the election.
I would take J. D. Vance as POTUS 1000 times in a row before once considering Kommie Kamala.
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“ Jan always acts like her views are held by 99.9999% of Americans”
Never said or indicated that Bitter. But, that’s your gig to reassemble posts to suit your accusations of others.
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Jason’s post on Shapiro really makes Shapiro sound like a supportable Dem, if such a creature exists.
It is going to be Mark Kelly or Roy Cooper. I do not know if Kelly can save AZ for the DEMS but Cooper will not turn NC blue in any scenario.
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it will be Kelly or Bashear I believe
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Trump Responds After Secret Service Director Resigns: “The Biden/Harris Admininstration Did Not Properly Protect Me”
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VP seldom matters. It’s Kampala that does matter.
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JD is an uninspiring VP pick. Tim Scott (R-SC) would guarantee this race because he’d peel away enough black voters from Kamala.
Discard all pre DNC coronation polls like this one. Trump isn’t winning Michigan by that margin. It’s still a blue state with a blue governor and two democratic senators. Wake up!
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Bitter says…”I think Harris is a terrible nominee but Democrats don’t.”
You also think Trump is a terrible nominee, but Republicans don’t.
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Tina is right. The Veep selection won’t matter in the end, it will be a 24 hour news buzz when its announced. Nothing more.
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cerebrochuck, welcome to the discussion. The conventions give a temporary boost, nothing more. In 2016, the coronation of Hillary was euphoric. The first woman. She couldn’t lose. She canceled the fireworks to not jinx it.
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Jan wrote:
“Harris, seen as an insignificant and embarrassingly obtuse VP a mere few weeks ago,”
What did I change, Jan? Democrats don’t see her the way we do but even if they did, she is getting their votes.
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VP will be either Kelly or Buttigieg.
Former Gov. Blagojavich interviewed for his personal experience with Chicago type politics used to manipulate Biden to the democrat mafia’s way of thinking. — intimidation, threats and enrichment incentives.
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“But you are ready to take on the risk of Kamala winning PA and with it the election.
I would take J. D. Vance as POTUS 1000 times in a row before once considering Kommie Kamala.Shapiro is a flaming liberal, don’t be fooled. He is not an antisemitic Marxist diehard.”
Ah yes, the old “one unacceptable and/or unqualified candidate is better than the other”.
Some arguments are eternal here at HHR.
Neither Vance or Kamala are acceptable candidates to me. For that reason I won’t support either one.
I would not vote for a Trump-Haley ticket either although Haley is 100x better than Vance in understanding the folly of the “America is an island” isolationist BS.
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Welcome back to your regular posting schedule, Jason.
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Bitter, Harris was ignored by the MSM, and not given much credit for anything by anybody before being elevated to presidential nominee for the dem party. That was my point. Of course dems will vote for any obscure idiot when placed in the spotlight of vying for a job with power and authority.
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Not worth responding. Jason is as committed to leaving Tgca.
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Democrats don’t see her the way we do but even if they did, she is getting their votes.”
Bitter is only half right here.
The nature of my business is that I talk to a lot of Dems. I haven’t talked to one who privately doesn’t think Harris is a dingbat.
Harris bombed in the primaries, got like less than 5% of the Dem vote, and remember those are the most left wing Dems that vote in primaries.
The Dems will vote for her, but you can bet she is not the first choice, or even 2nd or third, of most of them.
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Welcome back to your regular posting schedule, Jason.”
It’s a slow day, I know you guys are anxious when I am not here.
But until the BS registration system is cancelled, I won’t be posting much.
I do appreciate the good wishes.
If something momentous happens, I might be back to post something wonderful next week.
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Knives already coming out for Kamala:
New York Times: Kamala Harris The “Least Electable” Democrat
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What VP gets credit for anything?
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I hope more of Harris’s policies are examined and publicly exposed, over and above her horrendous immigration ones:
Wants to ban all fracking.
Ban all private healthcare. Supports Medicare for all.
Increase taxes – income, estate taxes, capital gains
Pay for college with some income caps.
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John Ocasio-Rodham Nolte
@NolteNC
From me… Someone who believes Oswald worked alone, the earth is round, and Armstrong landed on the moon… We’re told the shooter is some 20-year-old loser the govt would never hire to kill Trump…. I disagree… This was a pretty sophisticated assassin… Range finder… knew how to use it… knew what to do with the data… Explosives with remote detonator Flew a freaken drone over the site Encrypted features on his phone Only failed due to a fluke turn of a head Only failed because a local cop who wasn’t in on the plot rattled him? Fired in crowd to create havoc? Explosion was supposed to help him get away? Despite what we’re being told by the RussiaCollusionHunterLaptopLabLeakLiars, this is definitely not some bullied loser who snapped and got a hold of Dad’s rifle. And we’re talking about the same administration that tried to remove Trump from the ballot, bankrupt him, and imprison him for life… We’re talking about a Secret Service that’s stonewalling like mad and just told us they do not have radio comm recordings of the day…
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Cheney is easily the most consequential VP of my lifetime, and his skid to 13% approval didn’t happen until W’s second term. I don’t think he got credit for anything, but he certainly got blamed for a lot.
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Reuters/IPSOS says jason is wrong:
Post-Drop-Out poll: Reuters/Ipsos
🟦 Harris: 44% [=]
🟥 Trump: 42% [-2]
[+/- change vs July 15-16]
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🟦 Harris: 42%
🟥 Trump: 38%
🟨 RFK Jr: 8%
— 17 (2.8/3.0) | July 22-23 | 1,018 RV
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Kamala will be treated as the second coming. They think that she will save the election. Think about it. The Dems will believe that voters will chose Kamala Harris to be President of the United States when they said no to Hillary clinton.
Now…to point out something Jason would normally do, they now have unfettered, unsecured early voting that goes up to six weeks before th election. Ballot harvesting in important states, and of course, the old, stop the counting at 3 am. Don’t think for a moment they wont employ all the above to win.
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Harris is surging!!!
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Reuters/IPSOS says jason is wrong”
Zzzzzz…..
Dishonest drivel
Harris is the VP, has been since 2020.
Where is the miracle “dark horse” Senator YOU assured us was going to replace Biden and win the election. Where is your favorite pick, Senator Warner? He is so “popular” he is not even being considered for VP.
I was right. Dems had no bench, unless you really consider Harris “bench”. You were wrong, your theory was garbage, and now you say I was “wrong”?
But IF they dump Harris and put in a “dark horse” instead, and the “dark horse” wins, you would be right.
I will bet against it if you want to bet.
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Owner of the old trump dc hotel defaulted. Facing foreclosure
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Tina – So you believe Biden and the Secret Service conspired to assassinate Trump? Yes or No?
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Quinn and Harris (the pollster) both have overnight polls have the Hispanic vote tied at about 40%. Kerry is the worst in memory at 53%.
How does Harris win at that number?
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In the beginning was the Word. and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The word now walks among us and is Kamala Harris.
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NOPE YOUR QUESTION IS STUPID.
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“now you say I was “wrong”?”
no, I said Reuters/IPSOS says you were wrong…and the point you had made was that Biden polled better than all the others. No bench. Harris just polled better than Biden, according to this one pollster. I think the pollster is wrong. Other polls show Harris doing worse, supporting your view.
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And Paul was wrong on the previous thread saying Kennedy hurts Trump more than Biden. That’s not what the data shows, either nationally or by state.
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”Don’t think for a moment they wont employ all the above to win.”
Once you’ve been stung by a wasp you become very aware of wasps and their stinger in the future. Most people are fearful of the same tactics being deployed by the Dems in the 2024 election. However, I think there will be more eyes on and counter actions in play this November than there were in 2020. The real fears are what other and/or malevolent ploys, ruses, misinformation obstructions the Dems have ready to use as antidotes to having a fair election.
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Does Bitter have evidence that the government did not try to have Trump killed?
Nope, because – contrary to all huge stories of this kind – the government hasn’t said anything about the events of that day. Typically (perhaps universally) law enforcement has daily (often more than one) press conferences to give whatever detail they can.
This time? Nada. The USSS had to be subpoenaed in order to show up and refuse to answer. The Ostrich isn’t bothered a bit.
I said the day after the event that conspiracies grow in the absence of information. Now they have. You can blame your beloved, fully trustworthy government for that.
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Bongino reported from a reliable source within the Secret Service that the Secret Service sniper team did not return fire initially because they believed that roof was supposed to have a sniper team up there. HUGE failure all around.
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Bitter,
VO Aaron Burr shot and killed Alexander Hamilton.
(personally, I think the SS was in on that shooting.)
So There is a VP who was remembered for something.
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Janz,
Why in the name of God would Kamala pick Bootygig for VP? How does that help her politically?
Bootygig has been a disaster as Sec. of Transp.
Plus he is from Indiana. NO WAY HE SWINGS INDIANA TO DEM COLUMN.
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Plus, he has an adopted baby he has to breast feed and could not be out on campaign trail.
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DAMN.
Forgot to add:
GO TRUMP! BEAT KAMALA LIKE A RED-HEADED STEPCHILD!
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Speaking of Kamala, I think she, over the years, smoke too much of that Jamaican whacky weed.
‘GO TRUMP! BEAT KAMALA LIKE A DIRTY PIECE OF CLOTHING THAT YOU POUND ON A ROCK DOWN BY THE RIVER TO GET IT CLEAN.”
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I said the head of the Secret Service should have been fired the night of the assassination attempt. There was massive and unacceptable incompetence that lead up to the shooting. Massive and unacceptable incompetence is not the same as a conspiracy.
Don’t dance, Chi. Was there a conspiracy between Biden and the Secret Service to kill Trump? Yes or no?
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You post conspiracy theories but think being asked if you believe them is stupid? You continue to embarrass yourself.
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Thread is getting long. New thread will be posted at 5:00. I will be at a concert of Steve Miller, Journey and Def Leppard. GFYs
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Bitter, I don’t know yet what the facts are. Unfortunately we know next to nothing, so I’d be guessing about whether it was an inside job.
You seem to know, though, so tell the class – from the evidence presented – what happened and what theories we are allowed to discuss without incurring your ridicule.
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Suppose:
George Clooney (the actor, not a car mechanic) says “do not buy GM vehicles.”
He says “lots of them are involved in wrecks….”
DO WE LISTEN AND HEED LOONEY CLOONEY’S ADVICE when Clooney does not know a lug wrench from a luggage rack?
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Taylor Swift says, “do NOT go to hospital X if you are having heart surgery.”
“because within 60 years after their operation, ALL of their surgery patients died!”
DO WE LISTEN TO “TOP HEART SURGEON” SWIFT?
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If you are playing golf and a blind hobo who has never played golf wanders along and says to you, “don’t use the driver when you tee off on the second hole.”
DO YA LISTEN TO HIM?
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Why or why do people with a brain listen to Oprah, and a host of other TV personalities, movie stars, musicians and singers and follow their advice on POLITICS AND WHO TO VOTE FOR WHEN THOSE PEOPLE HAVE ZERO expertise in any issue of substance?
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“GO TRUMP! BEAT KAMALA LIKE YOU WERE TENDERIZING A PIECE OF BEEF!”
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” I will be at a concert of Steve Miller, Journey and Def Leppard. GFYs”
Bitter, Be sure to ask them who they think you should vote for.
“G.T.B.K”
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Here is the evidence. A 20 year old loser shot President Trump, killed another man, and wounded 2 others. The Secret Service and local law enforcement F’ed up completely, possibly because they were too blinded to the idea that a 20 year old loser could make the attempt. A conspiracy would not rely on a 20 year old loser. That is my take on it.
Discuss whatever theories you want. Throw in Deep State, too. Go big or go home.
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Walt, I threw Buttigieg into the VP mix only because 1) he has frequently been mentioned by other pundits 2) he fits the DEI protocol being pushed by the Dems being “gay” 3) Buttigieg and Harris have had a close administrative relationship. What he adds to the dem ticket is mainly a working example of their identification politics.
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“Harris worse off than Biden in MICHIGAN”
ssq wants to know why Biden is in Michigan. She thought Joe was still recuperating in Delaware.
Also, ssq is wondering that is Harris is WORSE off than Biden, then she might have a stronger strain of COVID than Joe.
“G.T., B.K.!
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Without Burr, there is no Hamilton musical. Great show.
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that FAU poll showing Trump ahead substantially, also showed his personally favorability barely in the positive.
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Bitter said…”The Secret Service and local law enforcement F’ed up completely,….”
How do you know they effed up? Just in a strict liability (or res ipsa loquitur) sense, or is there something specific?
Thanks for the permission to discuss all possibilities….
Enjoy the show, that’s a good lineup.
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Bitter, why did this young “loser” have 2 cell phones, 3 encrypted overseas accounts, sophisticated knowledge of explosives/detonator, range finder, when being described as living with reclusive parents and having relatively little experience with the outside world? Yes, there were SS screw-ups, but why so many, one after the other? Why do you automatically dismiss any outside help, or an enlarged cabal seeking to end Trump, before he could officially accept the Republican nomination in a few days? Does your curiosity ever go into areas unseen by your eyes, and only accept conventional easy suppositions of what happened?
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I think that Gen. Custer’s Indian scouts were in on the massacre at Custer’s Last Stand.
I heard from someone whose great, great grandmother saw a drawing in the dust not 2 weeks later that could have implied the scouts gave Custer bad info and told him there were very few Indians there and they had no guns, and also tipped off Sitting Bull and company compadres that Custer’s troops were near. Why else would some of the scouts ride away to the top of a hill and watch the fighting? They think it might have been payback from when the white men gypped the Indians and got Manhattan Island for $24 worth of beads.
It is a shame that one of the first to die was one of Custer’s Indian scouts who was shot in the head and had his brain matter splattered over Benteen (or was it one of the other top ranking cavalry officers who were in another column other than the one led of Custer).
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Nobody wants to discuss Hispanics? Damn racists….
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Hi Jan. Many of the things you listed are from reporting. We need transparency from The Man to either verify these “facts”, or toss them aside.
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I feel like soy boy got help. It could be direct or indirect help.
I also feel that the investigation needs to be done with full transparency.
This is a big scre wp up by the gubment at best.
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Go Trump, beat Kampala, but I cannot vote for trump seems stupid?
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Jan – Have you heard of the internet? You can learn a great deal about doing bad things and order stuff to do it.
Amazon sells range finders. Is Bezos in on it?
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The free passer fell or many of these lies and wanted metals for Fraudci.
Nolte:
The RussiaCollusionHunterLaptopLabLeakLiars in the government and media are demonic partisans who only know how to lie…
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Ummm A 20 year old loser walked around, was seen multiple times, and then shot the President and 3 others. Is that specific enough for you?
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Jan – Just admit you think it was a conspiracy with the Secret Service. It will save both of us time.
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The biggest question is why they let Trump on the stage when there was a known threat that was not dealt with.
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Sorry, I am more skeptical following the news/hearing from cheetoh. Bl can “accept” the good gubment narrative, but I don’t.
Roof is too slopey. Well we could have had a guard on top of the roof, but he came in because it was too hot.
soy boy gets on the roof and nobody sees him?
soy boy launches a drone and nobody spots it.
Trump was not denied added security – trump was denied added security.
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Negligence is the only possibility, DW.
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Gross negligence.
The gubment is guilty until proven innocent imo
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Sometimes, I think it is good for people to take their cabal and go home.
(OK, enough silliness.
Off to type the minutes from the last EPBA Board of Managers’ meeting. Yes, some groups of people assign me serious responsibilities. Hard to believe, ain’t it.)
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Still no explanation for the name Soy Boy.
The roof was not too steep. He was seen. The drone was seen. Never denied it.
None of that proves a conspiracy. It does prove incompetence.
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Bitter, I stay away from using the term conspiracy theory. In the Crooks case I see too many inconsistencies about the ability of this kid to launch a sophisticated, almost successful assassination attempt involving an important, controversial figure like Trump, without outside help from others. That’s not conspiratorial but rather using common sense thinking sparked by curiosity for the truth.
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Actually, that is the legal definition of a conspiracy – individuals acting in concert to achieve an illegal end.
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Marist juiced the sample to D+6 with Trump winning indies by 14 points, and this is all they could do to help Kamala:
Post-Dropout Poll: NPR/Marist
🟥 Trump: 46%
🟦 Harris: 45%
⬜ Undecided: 9%
Definitely voting
🟦 Harris: 47%
🟥 Trump: 47%
⬜ Undecided: 6%
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🟦 Harris: 42%
🟥 Trump: 42%
🟨 RFK Jr: 7%
🟪 Other: 2%
⬜ Undecided: 7%
Definitely voting
🟦 Harris: 45%
🟥 Trump: 43%
🟨 RFK Jr: 7%
🟪 Other: 1%
⬜ Undecided: 3%
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We finally have a poll showing Kamala ahead.
-Free passer
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/kamala-holds-first-campaign-rally-wisconsin-high-school/
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I also would be surprised if we get any further than we are today in unraveling questionable details regarding how the assassination happened. Cheatle became the scapegoat who resigned with an intact pension. Mayorkas, who has authorizing power over the Secret Service’s actions, has not even been drawn into the picture. Ron Johnson, who is attempting to look into some of incompetence, to see if it was planned or deliberate or not, is not receiving any cooperation from government officials in responding to congressional inquiries. Eventually the whole event will fall into a default conclusion that makes people like Bitter content – it was no more than a 20 year old wayward loser acting out…….
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https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1815754425668931638?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1815754425668931638%7Ctwgr%5E9c4d7b764176ef5cd4cb19f798f68ddb81fae113%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheconservativetreehouse.com%2Fblog%2F2024%2F07%2F23%2Fjuly-23rd-2024-presidential-politics-resistance-day-1282%2F
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Mayorkas needs to be arrested.
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Kamala is ahead because Trump sent out mean truth posts.
-free passer
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No, not even close. How was he able to do it? Were the agents all napping? Were their comms not working? If not, why? How did they decide NOT to have someone on a roof that close? Why did they let Trump go on the stage with a person of interest unaccounted for?
And many others.
Can you answer those for us? Is it okay with you that we even dare ask these questions?
Enjoy the show.
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That was in response to Bitter…
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Tina, posting that video from gateway suggests the packed Harris rally may have been photoshopped. Isn’t that what is said here about that site – nothing can be trusted streaming from it.
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NEW THREAD
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Janzam, she laughs at the wrong time. That is what I get.
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