 | PENNSYLVANIA – SoCal Research |
| Trump | 51 |
| Harris | 43 |
| Five Candidates: | |
| Trump | 43 |
| Harris | 37 |
| Kennedy | 9 |
| Oliver | 4 |
| Stein | 3 |
| July 21, 800 LV |
Correction: There was only ONE new poll, the one above.
Trump Job Approval
| Pollsters wrong in 2024: | 42.0 / 55.1 | -13.0 |
| Pollsters right in 2024: | 46.2 / 51.0 | -4.8 |
 | GOP | DEM |
| Democrats +3 | 216 | 219 |
The Hedgehog Report - Phoenix Edition 
109 responses to “Two more polls of Pennsylvania”
Poor Kampala.
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Bitter, put this disclaimer wherever you’d like, including a copy every morning (right after telling us that you hate Trump but will vote for him anyway):
“The views expressed by posters other than me are theirs alone.”
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HARRIS: “We’ve been to the border. So this whole thing about the border.” Harris: “We’ve been to the border.” Harris: “We’ve been to the border.” HOLT: “You haven’t been to the border.” Harris: “I… and I haven’t been to Europe.” https://mediaite.com/a/tsquj
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What I am looking forward to seeing is substantial regional data on the Trump vs Harris question. From what I have read, she is not expected to do well in NV and AZ. So far GA looks like she is not getting anywhere. Her position in Wisconsin is slightly better than Biden’s, but PA is much worse for her, while MI is about the same.
I expect MN, VA, CO, and NJ to be staying blue with Harris, but I would like to see some polling of NM.
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That number will shrink considerably once the abortion ads hit….. 😉
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“What purpose does that comment from Trump serve?”
None. Hence my big worry that Trump will be Trump instead of a uniter.
Have they asked Trump why he gave $,5000 to Kamala in 2011when she was running in CA for prosecutor or State AG?
He will be asked, you know, and he better have some sort of sensible answer.
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Not insulting enough to the conspiracy blogs.
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Why I need to like Trump? Why does it bother you that I don’t?
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DW, I’m most interested in seeing if she reverses the outflow of black voters. If she doesn’t, then WI will be tougher for her (although very close). MN and VA would require further erosion of the Black vote to even be in play, imo.
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New Mexico is also in play.
Kampala is toxic and incompetent.
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Kamapalas abortion ads will be devastating. /s
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[…] I do know him very well, warts and all, and what’s very clear from our phone call is that cheating death has given Donald Trump a new spring in his step, and a presidential race momentum that I believe will now prove unstoppable given the way his opponents are imploding.”
-Piers Morgan (recent interview with trump)
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Dw prolly got this pole already. Trump +11 nationally over Kampala. (Harris)
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump
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I don’t buy +11.
I could buy +6/7.
320 plus evs
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Most people here say Trump-despite his huge and locked in negatives from before his presidency., during his presidency, and in the 3 1/2 years after his presidency was by far the only candidate who could win in 2024, and the best R available, and this and that, and this and that…
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Biden is really being made out to be one of the best presidents EVER by the Dems and MSM. “He puts the best interests of his country ahead of his own personal interests.”
What a friggin’ crock.
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But Biden will forever be their HERO because HE DEFEATED SITTING PRESIDENT TRUMP. AND went about to dismantle everything good that Trump did on energy, southern border, etc. AND the DEMS plan to continue to undo Trump accomplishments including getting rid of the Trump tax cuts once they win in 2024.
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And the Dems and Left HATE Trump because he defeated HILLARY CLINTON!
The DEMS continually tell the lies (abetted by the MSM) that it was:
–BIDEN who brought us out of the COVID crisis.
–BIDEN who saved the economy and created 12 million jobs.
–BIDEN who forced other NATO members to pony up their fair share.
–BIDEN who is ratcheting down inflation CAUSED BY TRUMP ADMIN. and BIDEN whose brilliance increase the number of NATO countries and madde it stronger.
FRIGGIN’ Unbelievable!/
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BIDEN is the one who wants to, AND DOES DO, an end run round Congress and unconstitutionally forgive TENS of BILLIONS of dollars of college loans, IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW.
and BIDEN WHO THROWS OPEN THE SOUTHERN BORDER THROUGHT EXEC. ORDERS. bringing us all the horribleness that that has wrought. (because opening the border was the direct opposite of what Trump was doing)
And the horrible and poorly planned sudden withdrawal from Afghanistan, and all that brought.
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Bitter, you don’t need to like him – it was a playful jab at how often you feel the need to tell the same ten people.
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watch out chicon, Bl will give you his telephone number.
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BL, if you’re voting for Trump, I don’t care if you don’t like him. I didn’t like McCain, but I still voted for him in 2008.
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“Why I need to like Trump? Why does it bother you that I don’t?”
Bitter,
It is VERY ODD they keep pummeling you for not LIKING Trump despite the fact that you have and will continue to VOTE for Trump.
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These barbs from others in the Trump camp against you are totally senseless
and juvenile, IMO.
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Jason’s thesis all year was that the Dems have no bench, and that all the other possibilities poll worse than Biden did (at the time he made these statements). We will find out soon enough if he was right or wrong.
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Cornel West has now missed ballot deadlines in six states. Several others he is relying on write-in efforts. His campaign is a joke, and I don’t know why any pollster includes him.
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I like Kernel West.
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People in a cult don’t trust those not in the cult.
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Cult= full throated felatio with the grifter
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Zzzzzzzz
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Quinnipiac poll
Trump 49
Harris 47
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You have to remember that populists are just that, populists. They change as the political winds change and tend to be hyper partisan to their movement and evenmoreso to the leader(s) of that movement at the time. It’s not so much about ideology and policy as it is reactionary in the moment, which is why populist movements come and go.
The irony is that if yall recall the Tea Party movement, it was supposed to be centered around adhering to the most basic conservative tenets, now…the Tea Party and its candidates are RINO’s in the Trump movement.
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Tina, Bitter’s fallback response is name calling. It’s how he debates issues. Just like Trump.
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I have the perfect VP candidate for Kamala.
Anne R. Key
Anne R. Key has never held elective office (just look at her name).
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But she was in charge of the peaceful protests from May through August, 2020 where protestors firebombed the federal courthouse repeatedly and assaulted police officers.
Anne R. Key is the bastard child of Ma Lar Key.
She is no relation to San I. Tee, or Sec Uri Tee.
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“In a six-way hypothetical race that includes other candidates, Trump has a slight lead with 45 percent support, Harris receives 41 percent support, independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. receives 6 percent support, Green Party candidate Jill Stein receives 2 percent support, and Libertarian Party candidate Chase Oliver and independent candidate Cornel West each receive 1 percent support.”
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3901
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If Harris picks Mark Kelly, then Trump can win, but it will not be a blow out and he is going to have to actually shut his mouth like he did during the debate.
If she picks Cooper, she still will not carry NC.
If she picks Shapiro or Whitmier, he chances are better than Biden’s were, but not enough.
The only one that can beat Trump, if Harris is the Democrat, is the Trump who cannot control himself.
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trump leads indies in that poll 55/41 over Harris
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AH, very good analysis. I have been trying to analyze who honestly would help Harris the most electorally (besides Trump LOL) and I think Kelly is probably the best. She has to win one of AZ and NV and has zero chance with any of the other candidates. She still faces an uphill battle as she was/is the Border Czar and it carries all that baggage. Even though Democrats believe there is no border crisis and this administration has the best record ever (remember, Trump put kids in cages), people in the southwest are pissed off.
Cooper doesn’t carry NC, and does that mean he drops out of the Gov race? I think that alone means he is out. Shapiro hurts in MI, but probably solidifies PA. No way in hell he helps in AZ and NV and NE-2
leaves Bashear who doesn’t move the needle one bit anywhere.
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If Trump leads indies 55/41 election day he has run away with the election. How does he only get to a 4pt lead winning indies by 14%….just saying (finger say hello to scale)
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Vic, don’t fisk the polls!
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Is that Kampala high water mark in the Quinndrat pole?
is it drat plus 9
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”A Harris X/Forbes poll found Trump leading Harris 52 percent to 42 percent among 2,169 likely voters nationally. The survey, taken July 19-21, 2024, was conducted after journalist Mark Halperin’s accurate July 18 report that President Joe Biden would stand down as the presumptive nominee on Sunday amid a behind-the-scenes pressure campaign from his own party.”
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Vic, according to CNN exit polls, Biden won the indy vote by about that same margin (54-41) in 2020, and he won the national vote by 4.5 points with a D+1 electorate. So that’s about in line with a 4 to 5 point lead Trump has now with those indy numbers.
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/07/mobile-data-reveals-someone-who-regularly-visited-thomas/
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I remember when Chi posted mostly about sports. Now he is the Hall Monitor. We all look forward to his excellent blog when he starts it.
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And it would indeed be an EV runaway if Trump were to win the national popular vote by 4-5 points.
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Thanks, Vic! Working minds think alike!
Copper is term limited and cannot run again this year. He is milquetoast candidate at beast, but he is a moderate DEM from the Eastern part of the state and has been able to make in-roads into what is not a GOP strength in our state in his previous campaigns.
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So somebody who visited the shooter also visited a building near an FBI office (but not an FBI office)? Wow.
Ok. I admit it. Driving back and forth to Pitt, I have driven near Butler, PA. I have also stayed overnight several times in Pittsburgh. The FBI does have an office in Pittsburgh.
Tina to alert Gateway Pundit in 3…2…1….
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According to the border chiefs the Border Czar, Harris, never met with them once. How’s that for being “hands off.”
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Vance has 3 speaking engagements today.
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dont understand this: “So somebody who visited the shooter also visited a building near an FBI office (but not an FBI office)? Wow.??????”
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Vic – Tina is pushing another Gateway Pundit conspiracy theory in her link.
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So, the free passers must be devastated that Kampala is down 2-10 points
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Patrick Webb
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BREAKING: Due to the absence of President Biden, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu is now requesting a meeting with former President Donald Trump, according to reports.
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In fairness, there is a recording of Biden, but no video.
Julie Kelly
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I am stuck at a doctor’s office where NBC News is on the TV and they just spent 10 minutes on Kamala Harris hagiography and now pivoting to Trump campaign’s “attacks” on Harris. No mention yet of Biden being missing for days or bullying tactics used to get him off the ticket. And nothing on Cheatle testimony yet. The media is such a pathetic joke.
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Nobody at HHR except Paul wants Harris to win. You are embarrassing yourself, Tina.
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Conspiracy theorists look at events with open eyes, open minds, and thinking out of the box type of analysis. Many times such unorthodox theories prove to be factually correct, like the early assertion Trump was being surveilled (he was), his phones were bugged (they were), the FISA warrants were inaccurate (they had false info), or collusion with Russian was derived by a fabricated story (a story hatched up in a bar setting) . So, when assessing the circumstances or plots surrounding the Trump assassination attempt, I don’t understand the naysaying that instantly erupts by a few here. Why not first see where some of these stories lead investigators. Ron Johnson, for instance, is pursuing some interesting leads. And, as for that gateway pundit piece, it would be worthwhile knowing why there was a Crooks contact in DC, when the family was known to keep to themselves – almost recluses. And, the last device contact was July 12th, the day before the Butler event.
Inquiring minds want to know…
https://revolver.news/2024/07/entire-trump-assassination-plot-about-to-blow-thanks-to-mysterious-atf-agent-just-went-dark/
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Most people here say Trump-despite his huge and locked in negatives from before his presidency., during his presidency, and in the 3 1/2 years after his presidency was by far the only candidate who could win in 2024, and the best R available, and this and that, ….”
A bird flew down here into the abyss and told me what what Walt wrote was a crock.
As far as I know, no one here said Trump was the ONLY candidate that could win in 2024 unless it was Bunu. Also, outside of Janzam the Putin Nurse and Tina the Putin Free Passer I don’t remember anyone else saying he was the best R available. I don’t think even Chicon said that, but if he did, I stand corrected and tell him to GFH.
Since I am here, I might as well give my 2 cents on Harris VP and Shapiro.
I don’t think she will pick Shapiro, and if she did, he does NOT guarantee PA, he might help at the margins. People vote for the head of the ticket. I don’t think he would even help with the Jewish vote considering how anti-semitic Kamala is. Shapiro is a “do no damage” VP candidate, he is not really a plus. I really can’t see anyone inclined to vote for Trump in PA saying “hey, look, Shapiro is that dingbat’s VP, I will now vote for her”.
Personally, I don’t think ANY VP candidate helps her, so she might as well pick one that does not do damage. Since there are many that fit that bill, she won’t pick Shapiro because she views him as too pro-Israel. Maybe Bitter is right that the establishment Dems can tell all the anti-semites GFY but if they do it to win PA I think they would be making a mistake.
IF Shapiro was the nominee, THEN yes, I think he could carry PA. As VP, no.
Btw, Shapiro has his vulnerabilities too. He is getting royally skewered for supporting school choice in the campaign and then reneging due to pressure from the far left PA Dem House caucus. I listen to the Catholic Conference radio show on Saturdays, which covers PA politics, and Al Gnoza has been tearing him a new a-hole every week on several issues. He has not really gotten very much done because the PA Senate is Republican and is not passing the far left PA House bills.
His approval rating is better than Corbett’s or Wolf’s but nothing to get really excited about, not even 50%.
‘A recent poll by Franklin & Marshall College found 48% of voters believing Shapiro is doing an “excellent” or “good” job as Governor and 44% saying he’s doing either a “fair’ or “poor” job.’
I do share the view Walt expressed, that although I won’t be voting for the ticket, I prefer that Trump wins.
Btw, I don’t know about the Philly area, but here the anti-Kamala TV ads are already running non-stop.
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HHR is now a conspiracy blog. Maybe I should have let it die.
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We cannot question the government. It is righteous.
-Free passer
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Trump is trouncing Kamala in the latest Polymarket polls.
Trump is up 64 percent to 29 percent!
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There are two, plus 11 poles for trump over Kampala.
one is the daily mail (7/1 to 7/3) – yes it’s dated. The 2nd pole is the Harris.
We also got the Quinn plus 2.
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I have the perfect VP candidate for Kamala.
Anne R. Key
Anne R. Key has never held elective office (just look. at. her. name–and say it real fast).
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But she was in charge of the peaceful protests from May through August, 2020 where protestors firebombed the federal courthouse repeatedly and assaulted police officers.
Anne R. Key is the bastard child of Ma Lar Key.
She is no relation to San I. Tee, or Sec Uri Tee.
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The cell phone hits or pings are an investigative tool. In short, are there potentially other suspects or accomplices? It could be something or it could be nothing. But to blindly shout conspiracy is stupjd.
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No anti-Kamala ads here yet. Lots of 12 year old rape victim who had an abortion ads.
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Shem Horne
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It’s surreal watching the President release a written statement and then go dark, and then an audio recording taken at an unspecified time. That’s how Osama Bin Laden would communicate and the media never accepted that as proof of anything. Nor should they have. This is nutso.
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Tina admits it could be something or it could be nothing but posts the conspiracies anyway.
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Nancy Mace forces impeachment vote against Cheetos
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Yeah you also claimed falsely that the withholding of aecret service agents was a conspiracy.
Stay in your ambulance chasing lane.
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From another article “Now, the Oversight Project, a watchdog group with the Heritage Foundation, released a report that could potentially link Thomas Crooks, a relatively unknown figure until now, to critical locations in the Washington D.C. area.”
They may be working with law enforcement on this matter as this is an explosive development.
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Got to thinking about the abortion issue.
Rep./Coservative view is at some point (either at conception or at somewhere in the womb), the unborn fetus/baby is a person. That person should have some rights, such as the right to live.
Dem./liberal view is that the fetus is not a person until all of it comes outside the vagina.
(except lots of Dems/Libs (in a puzzling flip of their pro-abortion beliefs) join with lots of Rep./Conservatives and agree with laws that say if a pregnant woman is killed by a drunk driver or a shooter, the culprit should be charged with two counts of murder (woman + unborn fetus/baby).
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Also,
Rep./conservative view concerning abortion also entails personal responsibility. Woman is pregnant, decides she wants an abortion, then there should not be government tax dollars involved in paying for it. You helped create it, you should take responsibility for it, and responsibility for causing the pregnancy to cease to exist if that is your choice. Personal responsibility.
Dem./Liberal view says you are not responsible for the fetus and sociated with aborting it. It is the government’s duty to cover the necessary costs to end your pregnancy. Government patriarchy, and dependence on government.
And if you have the baby, then it is the duty of the government to provide you with child care.
Odd how that works.
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“We cannot question the government. It is righteous.
-Free passer”
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We cannot question statements or actions of Donald Trump. He is righteous.
Trump Bots Zombies
LOL
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Bitter seems to be in Ostrich Mode.
News flash….part of investigating is developing theories and testing them. They are all-encompassing. Theories are eliminated by gathering facts. Bitter has decided what’s fact and what’s conspiracy before getting any info from the agencies who have strangely been silent.
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Walt, are you including all Trump supporters in the Trump Bots Zombies category?
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DRUDGE HEADLINE
“HARRIS ROASTS TRUMP
CROWD GOES WILD!“
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Had Rs chosen DeSantis or Haley or anybody else to be the R standard bearer on R/Conservative Agenda on Issues That Affect All Americans
Alternative World Headline:
Harris touts Biden/Harris accomplishments and vision for the future;
Crowd is Horrified.
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The group that conducted this seems Legit. I know the free passers will tell us that the geo tracking is only good on j6ers who should be hung.
However the same technology was used to show ballot harvesting in 2020 aka fraudulent ballots.
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Kennedy pulls mostly from Trump.
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And it’s an investigative tool at this point. Very interesting actually.
I bet we will learn that soy boy had help.
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Keep embarrassing yourself, Tina.
Go all in. Who killed JFK? Were m the moon landings faked?
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Walt’s tds is acting up again. LOL
He is delusional if he thinks the media and democrats would treat any Republican any different. I guess he has forgotten all the evil things they said about Bush, Romney McCain.
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Chi is so desperate to be relevant that he will now protect Jan and Tina’s wild conspiracy theories. Of course, if Tina said 2+2= 5, he would praise her for being open-minded and criticize me for saying it was 4.
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Tina and Jan are investigators now?
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And you refuse to explain why you call him soy boy.
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zzzzz,
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And you LOLed the idea that Biden would be replaced as the nominee. Keep embarrassing yourself, Tina.
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So you can’t remember or won’t say why you make up your stupid nicknames.
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The Biden leaving has no bearing on the secret service/trump. You have been wrong twice now
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Try to focus now.
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Whew I had to scrounge the internet to find this blog! DW never do that again.
Used to stalk as far as way back in 2012 but never really commented. I’ll go back to stalking now. Cheers everybody from TX!
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Just get to it, Tina. You believe that the Secret Service and Biden worked together to kill Trump. It is obvious you and Jan believe that. Stop dancing.
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I don’t believe that the secret service and Biden worked together to try to kill Trump. I do believe that Trump asked for more security for two years now and was denied it. I do believe RFK Jr. ask for Secret Service protection and was denied it! So, do I believe Biden and his administration tried to kill Trump and RFK Jr no. Do I believe they would not mind if that happened Yes!
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-secret-service-admits-repeatedly-denying-trump-requests-for-more-security/7706971.html
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good analysis MG
cerebrochuck – stay awhile and comment!!!
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btw here in TX as well
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But lets keep sending billions of dollars worth of weapons to Ukraine. The posters that support spending billions of dollars on the Ukraine war claim they are conservatives. What kind I don’t know. I do know they definitely aren’t fiscal conservatives!
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MG, I really don’t think you understand what’s being sent over. I realize that some try to paint this as an either/or situation, but its not.
Number one, and most importantly, those weapons are LONG AGO paid for. We are not sending over cash, this is not costing us money right now. They are old weapons that are already in inventory somewhere…and most are older models.
Next, even if we were sending $60B in cash, and didn’t send it, it would SPENT ELSEWHERE on some entitlement program or another. It WOULD NOT go to the border. It would not go to pay down the debt. It would be used on some giveaway.
You all would be SHOCKED at how much is being spend on “obamaphones” each year. Yup, that program is still going on, and will cost more than $1B this year alone. Y’all should be way more pissed off about that.
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They are old weapons that are already in inventory somewhere…and most are older models.
Wrong!
To date, we have provided approximately $53.7 billion in military assistance since Russia launched its premeditated, unprovoked, and brutal full-scale invasion of Ukraine on February 24, 2022, and approximately $54.4 billion in military assistance since Russia’s initial invasion of Ukraine in 2014.
Air Defense
Two Patriot air defense batteries and munitions;
12 National Advanced Surface-to-Air Missile Systems (NASAMS) and munitions;HAWK air defense systems and munitions;
AIM-7, RIM-7, and AIM-9M missiles for air defense;
More than 2,000 Stinger anti-aircraft missiles;
Avenger air defense systems;
VAMPIRE counter-Unmanned Aerial Systems (c-UAS) and munitions;c-UAS gun trucks and ammunition;mobile c-UAS laser-guided rocket systems;
Other c-UAS equipment;
Anti-aircraft guns and ammunition;Air defense systems components;
Equipment to integrate Western launchers, missiles, and radars with Ukraine’s systems;
Equipment to support and sustain Ukraine’s existing air defense capabilities;
Equipment to protect critical national infrastructure; and21 air surveillance radars.
Fires
More than 40 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems and ammunition;
Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bomb launchers and guided rockets;
More than 200 155mm Howitzers and more than 3,000,000 155mm artillery rounds;
More than 7,000 precision-guided 155mm artillery rounds;
More than 50,000 155mm rounds of Remote Anti-Armor Mine (RAAM) Systems;
72 105mm Howitzers and more than 800,000 105mm artillery rounds;
10,000 203mm artillery rounds;
More than 400,000 152mm artillery rounds;
Approximately 40,000 130mm artillery rounds;
40,000 122mm artillery rounds;
60,000 122mm GRAD rockets;
More than 200 mortar systems;
More than 400,000 mortar rounds;
More than 100 counter-artillery and counter-mortar radars;
and50 multi-mission radars.
Ground Maneuver
31 Abrams tanks;
45 T-72B tanks;
More than 300 Bradley Infantry Fighting Vehicles;
Four Bradley Fire Support Team vehicles;
189 Stryker Armored Personnel Carriers;
More than 600 M113 Armored Personnel Carriers;
250 M1117 Armored Security Vehicles;
More than 1,000 Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) Vehicles;
More than 3,000 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicles (HMMWVs);
More than 200 light tactical vehicles;
300 armored medical treatment vehicles;
80 trucks and more than 200 trailers to transport heavy equipment;
More than 1,000 tactical vehicles to tow and haul equipment;
153 tactical vehicles to recover equipment;
10 command post vehicles;
30 ammunition support vehicles;
18 armored bridging systems;
20 logistics support vehicles and equipment;
239 fuel tankers and 105 fuel trailers;
58 water trailers;
Six armored utility trucks;
125mm, 120mm, and 105mm tank ammunition;
More than 1,800,000 rounds of 25mm ammunition; andMine clearing equipment.
Aircraft and Unmanned Aerial Systems
20 Mi-17 helicopters;
Switchblade Unmanned Aerial Systems (UAS);
Phoenix Ghost UAS;
CyberLux K8 UAS;
Altius-600 UAS;
Jump-20 UAS;
Hornet UASPuma UAS;
Scan Eagle UAS;
Penguin UAS;
Two radars for UAS;
High-speed Anti-radiation missiles (HARMs);
Precision aerial munitions;
More than 6,000 Zuni aircraft rockets;
More than 20,000 Hydra-70 aircraft rockets; andMunitions for UAS.
Anti-armor and Small Arms
More than 10,000 Javelin anti-armor systems;
More than 90,000 other anti-armor systems and munitions;
More than 9,000 Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missiles;
More than 40,000 grenade launchers and small arms;
More than 400,000,000 rounds of small arms ammunition and grenades;
Laser-guided rocket systems and munitions;
Rocket launchers and ammunition; andAnti-armor mines.
Maritime
Two Harpoon coastal defense systems and anti-ship missiles;
More than 80 coastal and riverine patrol boats;
Unmanned Coastal Defense Vessels; andPort and harbor security equipment.
Other capabilities
M18A1 Claymore anti-personnel munitions;
C-4 explosives, demolition munitions, and demolition equipment for obstacle clearing;
Obstacle emplacement equipment;
Counter air defense capability;
More than 100,000 sets of body armor and helmets;
Tactical secure communications systems and support equipment;
Four satellite communications (SATCOM) antennas;
SATCOM terminals and services;
Electronic warfare (EW) and counter-EW equipment;
Commercial satellite imagery servicesNight vision devices, surveillance and thermal imagery systems, optics, and rangefinders;
Explosive ordnance disposal equipment and protective gear;Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear protective equipment;
Medical supplies, including first aid kits, bandages, monitors, and other equipment;
Field equipment, cold weather gear, generators, and spare parts; andSupport for training, maintenance, and sustainment activities.
Yeah, these are all old weapons that we will not need to replace. Ok. And to say that well they would just spend that money on something else is a very weak argument to make.
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-ukraine/#:~:text=Deliveries%20to%20date%20include%20almost,Allies%20are%20vital%20and%20appreciated.
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And these are the weapons and supplies the government has made public. Who knows what else they have sent to Ukraine.
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Walt, are you including all Trump supporters in the Trump Bots Zombies category?
Heavens NO. NO. NO.
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Because If I lived in a SWING state, I would be including ME, because I would feel that given the binary choice in my swing state, I would–like Bitter–be (reluctantly) voting for Trump because I would be forced hold my nose, vote Trump and hope for the best.
I would be voting Trump, despite the fact that I think Trump is a deeply flawed, unprincipled, shallow-thinking, inarticulate regarding the ISSUES or explaining thing in a coherent way, has-a-hard–time-working-with-others (even in his own party) candidate who cannot see the big picture such as he needs to be seen as a unifying force, and who seems to thrive on giving ammunition and windows of opportunity to his whack job Dem. opponents who are bend on running the country over a cliff. (But even though I would be voting Trump, I would still bitch about Trump when I thought he was screwing up–unlike the Bots.)
I admire Bitter in his voting for Trump in the past and future and who has weighed the plusses and minuses of Trump, strengths and weaknesses, and still is a Trump voter.
IMO, we Rs had better candidates with less baggage we could have selected that I felt would be in a better position right now than Trump vs the Dem. Hounds From Hell.
I know Primaries are over we have who we have. I should quit my bitching. Stop saying negative things about Trump.
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But I am tired of having to live the 2/3 of my life with Presidents, R and D, who are failures–or lack-luster at best. I am tired of Republican presidential candidates too often making bonehead mistakes and tired of them losing.
Worst presidents in my lifetime include Biden, Trump, Obama. (Yes, Trump did do some good things and COVID helped bring him down). The Bushes were not much better, and both Bil Clinton and his wife were moral cesspools (though the economy did do well when Clinton was president, and he was dilly dallying with the interns).
Bush #l did the right thing with building coalition and stopping Hussein and kicking him out of Kuwait and was in office continuing Reagan policies that help hasten the collapse of the Soviet Union. 90%+ approval rating after kicking Hussein out of Kuwait. DID NOT use that high approval rating to move the country domestically for good reforms. Just oversee domestic things as normal. The Bushes (1 and 2) had a view of the Presidency domestically being a caretaker position to oversee the country and rather than being a agent of change for needed right-leaning policy changes.
Bush 2 did right thing after 9/11 in going after the terrorists in an A+ way. 90%+ approval rating. DID NOT use that high approval rating to push any big and needed right-leaning policy changes. Then he decides to stay in Iraq too long, and Americanize Iraq and Afghanistan, bring democracy, etc. to peoples whose culture is not conducive for that. And U.S. spent lot of time, treasure, and blood on this foolish adventure and the staying in Iraq and Gannystan sadly defined his presidency more than being the President who rallied the nation after 9/11.
None of my top 7 presidents is without fault. But Washington, Jefferson, Monroe are in my top 7 presidents. Then there was Teddy Rosevelt as one of my top 7.
I was born when Truman was president (one of my top 7), followed by Eisenhower (another of my top 7), then the foggy mess of JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter. Then we get to Reagan (one of my top 7)
And it has been disappointing since then. I guess I expect more of my presidents.
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Thanks for listening. I feel better. Good night.
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I forgot to add, “GO TRUMP! Beat Kamala like a rug.”
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MG, I can assure you I am correct. Your list actually proves it.
where do you think the following came from? 239 fuel tankers and 105 fuel trailers 58 water trailers; 125mm, 120mm, and 105mm tank ammunition; 20 Mi-17 helicopters; 72 105mm Howitzers:105mm artillery rounds; 203mm artillery rounds; 400,000 152mm artillery rounds; 40,000 130mm artillery rounds; 122mm artillery rounds; 122mm GRAD rockets: 45 T-72B tanks;
all existing stock somewhere in the world, some of them a bitch to get I am sure.
As for spending the money, I said, and maybe I wasn’t clear enough, that IF they were sending actual cash (which they aren’t), the Dems would have just spent it elsewhere and not on the border, is factually correct. They have never cut any money from the budget. Do you know what government agencies do every September…spend like crazy to ensure they use all their allotted money, because if not, their budgets will be reduced the following year.
Is it right. HELL NO. I wish the war in Ukraine was over and we could stop this argument. I believe we need fiscal constraint. But I am an old time Reagan conservative, and I believe military spending is just, and I believe helping the Ukraine defend itself is the right move. I don’t think it should last forever. I believe it will end with a Trump presidency.
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Walt, I agree with one part of your diatribe.
“I know Primaries are over we have who we have. I should quit my bitching. Stop saying negative things about Trump.”
LOL
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No, I assure you that you are wrong. LOL
Those weapons and supplies are not old weapons. Yes, they were in our inventory because we need them. And now we will have to spend billions of dollars replacing them. Get some sleep Vic. You will think clearer in the morning after a good night’s sleep. 😉
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Walt, – In Iraq the biggest failure was there was no plan for peace at all. You are correct in previous analysis that we can neither “democratize” nor “Christianize” every nation. We failed to take into account that these people had never know democracy…in fact, in their entire history they didn’t know it.
We just expected to ride in there like conquering heroes, and they would have all of sudden said, “well. bless Allah. This democracy thing works, so lets try it”
By killing off Hussein we created a massive vacuum we were not prepared to fill, nor should we have.
It was “light model” that was being pushed at the time, which was an abject failure at its concept, and in its execution. In and out fast, and be done. The mission wasn’t a failure, the failure was the aftermath.
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LOL, you can ask bitter. I definitely am correct, but with that said, we can do what adults do, agree to disagree and realize, MG, you and eye probably see eye to eye on 95% and I am damn glad we do.
Get some rest as well. Cheers
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Ask bitter , LMAO yeah because…..
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it’s all good MG. It’s not the hill I’m going to die on. I believe if Trump wins the war will end in short order with a. Peace deal and no more finds for war
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Good. Now Jan has the accounting she claims does not exist.
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What branch of the military did you serve in, MG?
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I hope we sent more. The list seemed inadequate to the task.
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Vic said…”In Iraq the biggest failure was there was no plan for peace at all.”
What’s the plan for peace in Ukraine?
From what I read here, it is a Marshall Plan style rebuilding of Ukraine to begin only after Russia gives back every square inch (perhaps including Crimea).
Is that how you see it?
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I will load a new thread to post at 9:00 a.m. If DW beats me to it, use his.
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I was about to post a new thread
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Where are the new threads? Slow this am.
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